Just in the door from a mad weekend in Queenstown, never seen anything like it. Can't wait to read the write-up in the ODT or the Football South programme. Great to have so many supporters travel down, was wicked, we actually had more than Queenstown did.
Hopefully we can do it all again next year.
Surely if both Coastal and Queenstown make the cut it would be a Coastal home fixture.
Wonder if Halswell will forfeit SIL entry up front if they happen to win promotion.
Have to win promotion then if the same format next season finish in the top five in the MPL, which I think would be a very big ask.
Wonder if Halswell will forfeit SIL entry up front if they happen to win promotion.
Have to win promotion then if the same format next season finish in the top five in the MPL, which I think would be a very big ask.
Have Halswell played any MPL teams this year??
Otago Daily Times write up of the weekend https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/football/big-scores-re...
Wonder if Halswell will forfeit SIL entry up front if they happen to win promotion.
Have to win promotion then if the same format next season finish in the top five in the MPL, which I think would be a very big ask.
Have Halswell played any MPL teams this year??
Coastal knocked them out of the English Cup 6 - 0 is the only one I think
Updated Table:
| Team | P | W | D | L | F | A | GD | Pts |
| Nomads | 5 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 16 | 7 | 9 | 11 |
| Cashmere Technical | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 12 | 4 | 8 | 10 |
| Coastal Spirit | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 19 | 8 | 11 | 7 |
| Ferrymead Bays | 4 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 6 |
| Dunedin Technical | 5 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 9 | 9 | 0 | 5 |
| Nelson Suburbs | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 6 | 0 | 4 |
| Queenstown Rovers | 4 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 6 | 22 | -16 | 3 |
| Southland United | 4 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 15 | -13 | 0 |
Run home for contenders:
Nomads: Queenstown and Cashmere
Cashmere: Nomads, Coastal and Nelson
Coastal: Southland, Bays and Cashmere
Bays: Coastal, Southland, Queenstown
There seems to be a big elephant in the room:
On the one hand, most (if not all) of the teams will want this League to evolve into a two-round competition next year.
But is it smarter to go back to qualification again in order to make sure the best teams qualify? Queenstown and Southland are clearly a bit behind, and arguably Tech are only competitive on account of their Irish boys - who may not stick around for another winter season, who knows.
Or should there be a relegation/promotion playoff game at the end of this season? That way all clubs in all leagues have something to play for.
Interested to hear thoughts on this - the concept is great and the players seem to relish the challenge of testing themselves against different styles of football - but can it be raised that extra bit??
There seems to be a big elephant in the room:
On the one hand, most (if not all) of the teams will want this League to evolve into a two-round competition next year.
But is it smarter to go back to qualification again in order to make sure the best teams qualify? Queenstown and Southland are clearly a bit behind, and arguably Tech are only competitive on account of their Irish boys - who may not stick around for another winter season, who knows.
Or should there be a relegation/promotion playoff game at the end of this season? That way all clubs in all leagues have something to play for.
Interested to hear thoughts on this - the concept is great and the players seem to relish the challenge of testing themselves against different styles of football - but can it be raised that extra bit??
I think the first question should be who wants to enter and see how many teams put there hands up. Even if there were 12 or 13 teams entered, that would be 2 round league with byes or even better local matches played mid week. Especially with Dunedin getting there new Astro. Get the numbers now so clubs have all summer to raise the funds for increased entry.
There seems to be a big elephant in the room:
On the one hand, most (if not all) of the teams will want this League to evolve into a two-round competition next year.
But is it smarter to go back to qualification again in order to make sure the best teams qualify? Queenstown and Southland are clearly a bit behind, and arguably Tech are only competitive on account of their Irish boys - who may not stick around for another winter season, who knows.
Or should there be a relegation/promotion playoff game at the end of this season? That way all clubs in all leagues have something to play for.
Interested to hear thoughts on this - the concept is great and the players seem to relish the challenge of testing themselves against different styles of football - but can it be raised that extra bit??
The "best teams" will change every year, that's just life. They won't change by much, so full qualification would be unfair for those who have previously qualified and it ultimately reduces the games for the South Island League in the name of qualification, which reduces the quality of the league and overall improvement for the players.
An idea could be (like done with the Central League), that the winners of the (remaining) Southern and Mainland leagues should have a play off to either simply replace or have a play off against the bottom of the SI league.
There seems to be a big elephant in the room:
On the one hand, most (if not all) of the teams will want this League to evolve into a two-round competition next year.
But is it smarter to go back to qualification again in order to make sure the best teams qualify? Queenstown and Southland are clearly a bit behind, and arguably Tech are only competitive on account of their Irish boys - who may not stick around for another winter season, who knows.
Or should there be a relegation/promotion playoff game at the end of this season? That way all clubs in all leagues have something to play for.
Interested to hear thoughts on this - the concept is great and the players seem to relish the challenge of testing themselves against different styles of football - but can it be raised that extra bit??
The "best teams" will change every year, that's just life. They won't change by much, so full qualification would be unfair for those who have previously qualified and it ultimately reduces the games for the South Island League in the name of qualification, which reduces the quality of the league and overall improvement for the players.
An idea could be (like done with the Central League), that the winners of the (remaining) Southern and Mainland leagues should have a play off to either simply replace or have a play off against the bottom of the SI league.
I like the ‘Capital Premier promotion to Central League’ model for South Island League. Lot more flights to play SIL than Central league though. In Chch, would mean merging 3 remaining MPL teams with Chch Qualifying League. Pro/rel via a Championship style playoff bewteeen Otago/Canterbury/Nelson leagues would be fun. Might take a season or two to get there. Thoughts/practicalities/issues?
My understanding re full qualification from FS/Mainland leagues wasn't to do with legitimacy of qualification, it was a pure cost save for the trial season.
I think we'd all love a full season of this next year (perhaps with some promo/rel), but I can't realistically see that happening. If they can only afford one round, I suspect we'll see more of the same.
Clearly both Mainland and Football South will be having a review at the end of the Southern League, likely with imput from the clubs to see what direction the competition takes for 2019 and onwards.
I would think its probably more cost that will determine if the league will continue rather than how well teams from each region perform
It still rankles me. Here we are considering reasons why not a full league and it comes back to money. An entry fee of $20,000 per team should cover it.
Considering there is a wage bill of well over $1,000,000 to administer / run our game across the South Island 8 or 10 top clubs with the support of their federations should have no problem committing to this.
A league involving all of the best in our Island is the only way to provide a competition that will help develop our game and the players to a National League standard.
It still rankles me. Here we are considering reasons why not a full league and it comes back to money. An entry fee of $20,000 per team should cover it.
Considering there is a wage bill of well over $1,000,000 to administer / run our game across the South Island 8 or 10 top clubs with the support of their federations should have no problem committing to this.
A league involving all of the best in our Island is the only way to provide a competition that will help develop our game and the players to a National League standard.
Agree with that. First of all though, define what a ‘top club’ looks like. Is it one that has been paying increasing affiliation fees whilst building a club that actually develops players from juniors up in return for less and less support from the Fed?
Or is it a club that on the day/season manages to muster the best team? Both and anything in between requires money.
The best clubs manage to extract better value out of every dollar than the governing body does.
Shed a role or two at Mainland and there are a few dollars that could be better spent.
I heard the entry fee for this years Southern league was only around $4k?? Can anyone confirm?? If true that is nothing. Even if it’s doubled no club should have trouble finding that money from sponsors/gaming trusts etc if told early enough.
There seems to be a big elephant in the room:
On the one hand, most (if not all) of the teams will want this League to evolve into a two-round competition next year.
But is it smarter to go back to qualification again in order to make sure the best teams qualify? Queenstown and Southland are clearly a bit behind, and arguably Tech are only competitive on account of their Irish boys - who may not stick around for another winter season, who knows.
Or should there be a relegation/promotion playoff game at the end of this season? That way all clubs in all leagues have something to play for.
Interested to hear thoughts on this - the concept is great and the players seem to relish the challenge of testing themselves against different styles of football - but can it be raised that extra bit??
I heard the entry fee for this years Southern league was only around $4k?? Can anyone confirm?? If true that is nothing. Even if it’s doubled no club should have trouble finding that money from sponsors/gaming trusts etc if told early enough.
I also heard $4000 was the entry fee. Because flights got booked so late I heard total cost should have been around $10,000.
I heard the entry fee for this years Southern league was only around $4k?? Can anyone confirm?? If true that is nothing. Even if it’s doubled no club should have trouble finding that money from sponsors/gaming trusts etc if told early enough.
I also heard $4000 was the entry fee. Because flights got booked so late I heard total cost should have been around $10,000.
My opinion on who should be in it is the same as what we have now. 2 rounds of MPL, then one of SIL. Top 5 MPL and top 3 SL.
Obviously need to work on the bottom 3 of the MPL and what they do...
My opinion on who should be in it is the same as what we have now. 2 rounds of MPL, then one of SIL. Top 5 MPL and top 3 SL.
Obviously need to work on the bottom 3 of the MPL and what they do...
Also need to have two rounds in the Football South Premier League so that everyone plays everyone home and away and must that both league would be playing a similar amount of games before the Southern Football League which would be fairer around cards then carrying over to the SFL, rather than being 'wiped'.
Silly situation arises this weekend with Jordan Yong forced miss the Chatham Cup tie for Nelson Suburbs against East Coast Bays. Yong received a yellow in the previous round of the Cup and when added to the cards that he had from the MPL meant he had to miss a game, but could not serve his one game suspension in the three SFL games between the two Chatham Cup rounds.
Get the SIL over and have a full meeting the Wednesday after of all clubs that want to be in for 2019.
Some one or other at MF or FS get the head out of the we can't do this or that and make a call that's what CEO's are there for.
* Two full rounds. KO of games timed so as no clash with other football in the city, maybe a task to arrange but doable.
* Draw done at the meeting of the teams that front with $10k non refundable entry fee, If clubs want in let's see the cash.
* No prize money but surplus funds [from entry fee] kept to fund the following year help to fund lower entry fee.. Keep an SIL account $ not lost in the big hole.
* If we don't get 8 teams [with $10K] than it's not worth the effort going forward to try another season of micky mouse SIL/MPL/SPL.
* Hard to get a sponsor when the teams still don't know who's in a couple of weeks from start date of any competition.
* Clubs organise and pay for own travel and digs if req'd.
* Forget the Q sloppy mess from this season and look forward not back.
* Work with the extra clubs to make a viable local league in both Feds that provides for a possible promotion to the SIL via a two game MPL v SPL winners. Winner replaces the bottom SIL team.
Just some thoughts.
Coastal 0-2 Southland HT
1-2 Final score - massive result for Southland, showing everyone that DTech aren't the only competitive team from the South. Someone get a two round league for next season please!!!
1-2 Final score - massive result for Southland, showing everyone that DTech aren't the only competitive team from the South. Someone get a two round league for next season please!!!
Watching the southern teams play in Christchurch I have no idea how this result happened. Do Southland travel without a lot of their good players?
1-2 Final score - massive result for Southland, showing everyone that DTech aren't the only competitive team from the South. Someone get a two round league for next season please!!!
Watching the southern teams play in Christchurch I have no idea how this result happened. Do Southland travel without a lot of their good players?
Southland were playing in Christchurch - they are a combative side they can just lose their way and not adapt sometimes, that's why they leak goals (along with Queenstown). The whole idea of the SIL is to raise standards all round - All 3 Southern sides have lost this season to MPL teams, but they all seem to be learning and getting closer and closer to that required standard. I think both federations could learn a lot about how each region plays. Football is the winner in this type of thrilling league.
As I said a few weeks ago (and nobody believed) - Nomads will go close to winning this thing.
Today's scorers in Round 7 fixture brough forward - with the result a massive dent in Coastal's hopes of winning the league:
Coastal Spirit 1 (Treye Butler) Southland United 2 (Hayato Wakino, Jack Boland) HT 0 - 2
| Team | P | W | D | L | F | A | GD | Pts |
| Nomads | 5 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 16 | 7 | 9 | 11 |
| Cashmere Technical | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 12 | 4 | 8 | 10 |
| Coastal Spirit | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 20 | 10 | 10 | 7 |
| Ferrymead Bays | 4 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 6 |
| Dunedin Technical | 5 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 9 | 9 | 0 | 5 |
| Nelson Suburbs | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 6 | 0 | 4 |
| Southland United | 5 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 16 | -12 | 3 |
| Queenstown Rovers | 4 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 6 | 22 | -16 | 3 |
Round 5 Fixtures
Saturday:
2pm
Coastal vs. Ferrymead Bays
2:30pm
Nomads vs. Cashmere Tech.
6pm
Southland United vs. Nelson Suburbs
Sunday
2:45pm
Dunedin Tech. vs. Queenstown Rovers
WTAF?
WTAF?
No joy then Vim?
Amazingly tight table at the moment, top four and bottom four clashes next weekend so points gap between top and bottom likely to increase after the next round.
Nomads and Ferrymead will now face selection issues with both either already having players gone or about to head back to their USA Colleges.
If their is a winner between Nomads and Cashmere Tech on Saturday then they will be favoured to go on and win the title.
Still a chance that Nomads, Cashmere Tech and Ferrymead Bays could all end the seven rounds undefeated an all end up 15 points so goals, goal difference will then come into play.
how do coastal go from hammering Queenstown 11-1
Being brilliant against western then losing at home to a pointless Southland. Obviously not the ref as we would have heard about it.
Just a blip for the club or maybe something more? Both the men and women losing would be considered quite large upsets
I really do think these Southern teams are learning fast. The Southern Premier League is not as good quality wise, and as a result these sides have probably played a bit within themselves. Now they are playing at a higher level, week in and week out. Yes it may be a blip and they get hammered again next weekend, but they are learning. To score twice against a side like Coastal shows the potential that Southland have. Queenstown and Dunedin Tech also have it - so the league must stick around in order to get more of these results!
To be honest Coastal could quite easily have still won the game and had plenty of chances. They just looked to be firing blanks with shots going everywhere bar on target.
As a few of their fans were saying they always seem to have one slip up against a lower team.... maybe this was the one
how do coastal go from hammering Queenstown 11-1
Being brilliant against western then losing at home to a pointless Southland. Obviously not the ref as we would have heard about it.
Have to give credit to Southland United who took the game to Coastal from the opening whistle and made the most of their chances while Coastal could not match their scoring feat from the previous round.
Coastal had more than enough chances to earn a share of the points but for whatever reason(s) failed to score when it mattered with the 11 - 1 scoreline now likely to mean very little in the race for the title.
After racking up the most clean sheets in the Mainland League, Coastal have now conceded in their last four Southern League games.
Remarkable turnaround
Pity the both key games in Christchurch are on Saturday with big interest in both games.
Leaders, Nomads out to end second placed Cashmere Technical's season long unbeaten run, two close games when they meet in the MPL with Tech twice needing late goals to earn a draw and then a win with Nomads hitting another gear in the Southern League and currently unbeaten at home in the SL.
The battle between third and fourth placed Coastal Spirit and Ferrymead Bays also having a big say on which club will finish in the top three - if Bays defeat Coastal and then take maximum points over Southland Utd and Queenstown Rovers then will be pushing for the title. Coastal need points in their last two outings or could find themselves at the wrong end of the table and could finishing as low as sixth. Bays unbeaten on the road in the SL and Coastal yet to record home win.
Also a crunch game in the CCL league (also on Saturday) between Western and Halswell with the winner likely be MPL bound for 2019.
Choices, choices. Which game to go to?
