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last one out turn off the lights til December?
Has anyone considered the very real possibility that the club could end up having to fold? I don't want to focus on the negatives, but match day income/gate revenues make up a huge percentage of a professional clubs revenue. If advertisers start pulling out, or significantly reducing their budget commitments to professional leagues, then TV money starts to dry up too.
A lot of football clubs around the world were already in financial difficulties prior to this crisis. It's sad to say but I think we could start to see professional football clubs fold like dominoes due to financial troubles, if the current state continues for an extended period of time.
I haven't heard many (or any) people talking about this, but to me it seems glaringly obvious.
Obviously. But I think it's fair to say that the ownership group is committed to sticking it out for as long as possible. There may come a point when it's no longer feasible to keep going though.
There is also the possibility of the league itself folding, which would have the same effect.
Also its somewhere where some of us have been before and if others are like me my head is firmly in the sand when it comes to this type of discussion and there its going to stay.
Also its somewhere where some of us have been before and if others are like me my head is firmly in the sand when it comes to this type of discussion and there its going to stay.
are you referring to the polio epidemic of the 1940s or..
There is also the possibility of the league itself folding, which would have the same effect.
I pray the league folds rather than just us
Also its somewhere where some of us have been before and if others are like me my head is firmly in the sand when it comes to this type of discussion and there its going to stay.
are you referring to the polio epidemic of the 1940s or..
There is some smart folk in Welnix. I think they will cut their cloth to suit the likely income. If they have to cut hard they will. Yes it could mean a budget team, but like El Grap I see the league itself folding before the Nix.
The absolutely key outcome over next 6 months or so is negotiating a new broadcasting deal for season 2021/2022. Fox is now at around $30M (virtually 50% of past TV money) for the 2020/2021 season, and then it's all over for them? That about right?
So NLWG/FFA will be working their arses off to find a new deal to at least match that, or hopefully improve. If they can't yes real risk A League finishes, or is just completely watered down to a NSL type comp with many players part time. But don't forget if 2021/2022 season happens, crowds are highly likely to be back.
So if league and clubs can survive this upcoming season, which is going to be very challenging (esp if is no crowds) - is some ray of light. Admittedly I have no idea if there is any alternative broadcasters out there (maybe mix of streaming, free to Air Aussie TV, pay for view etc etc) willing to even match Foxtel's current $30M odd per season.
I also think is some chance now there will be crowds for the new upcoming A League season. The Aussie states are all vigorously competing with each other to host sporting events. QLD has secured the AFL grand final (fighting off SA & WA), and the Gabba will be at it's 30,000 capacity. NSW and QLD are to host The Rugby Championship (All Blacks, Springboks, Wallabies & Pumas). Was a better commercial model apparently (plus yes more relaxed quarantine rules) than NZ. So yeah Aussie states are looking for events, and crowds are happening now. It's up to NLWG/FFA to put the games somewhere, where crowds are possible, plus also negotiating a better hub setup so player's can have their families close by etc. I'm a little optimistic now will be a better setup on both fronts, than the sharkty NSW hub setup.
The tv revenue is down, but isn't their share up?
Also, clubs will in the future get the gate takings, not the FFA so it is not all doom and gloom financially moving forward.
The tv revenue is down, but isn't their share up?
Also, clubs will in the future get the gate takings, not the FFA so it is not all doom and gloom financially moving forward.
By that the FFA are now getting less of the TV revenue? Don't forget though a new team is entering (MacArthur), so the pie will now be split by 12 teams, not 11.
*By my really rough maths (discounting any cash that FFA were flogging out of the TV deal) - previously Foxtel paying $60M odd a year so say $5.5M for each of the 11 teams. Now is $30M for 12 teams so $2.5M per club. So Nix (like all clubs) getting around $3M less per season.
Hooper is gone, that saves reportedly $1M. So you just need to save another $2M over the club elsewhere, with some cost cutting! Sucks but has to be done. And yeah other factors like no crowds, getting a transfer fee for Cacace etc etc etc have not factored in at all.
*disclaimer this is very very rough mathematics. Email Nix accountant for hopefully a more accurate picture.
There is some smart folk in Welnix. I think they will cut their cloth to suit the likely income. If they have to cut hard they will. Yes it could mean a budget team, but like El Grap I see the league itself folding before the Nix.
The absolutely key outcome over next 6 months or so is negotiating a new broadcasting deal for season 2021/2022. Fox is now at around $30M (virtually 50% of past TV money) for the 2020/2021 season, and then it's all over for them? That about right?
So NLWG/FFA will be working their arses off to find a new deal to at least match that, or hopefully improve. If they can't yes real risk A League finishes, or is just completely watered down to a NSL type comp with many players part time. But don't forget if 2021/2022 season happens, crowds are highly likely to be back.
So if league and clubs can survive this upcoming season, which is going to be very challenging (esp if is no crowds) - is some ray of light. Admittedly I have no idea if there is any alternative broadcasters out there (maybe mix of streaming, free to Air Aussie TV, pay for view etc etc) willing to even match Foxtel's current $30M odd per season.
I also think is some chance now there will be crowds for the new upcoming A League season. The Aussie states are all vigorously competing with each other to host sporting events. QLD has secured the AFL grand final (fighting off SA & WA), and the Gabba will be at it's 30,000 capacity. NSW and QLD are to host The Rugby Championship (All Blacks, Springboks, Wallabies & Pumas). Was a better commercial model apparently (plus yes more relaxed quarantine rules) than NZ. So yeah Aussie states are looking for events, and crowds are happening now. It's up to NLWG/FFA to put the games somewhere, where crowds are possible, plus also negotiating a better hub setup so player's can have their families close by etc. I'm a little optimistic now will be a better setup on both fronts, than the sharkty NSW hub setup.
Crowds are important, but they're not the main source of income - no club is going to survive simply because they're getting crowd money. Everything revolves around TV money because that is the model that set the league on its course, and it forms the main income for the league basically.
The problem, really, is that Fox have decided that they overvalued the league, and used the first opportunity that presented itself to worm out of the TV deal. The next season isn't so much the problem really - while the TV income is halved, it's still there, so you can still have some sort of a competition, even if it is much watered down from what we've had recently. The question is, what happens after that?
Fox aren't committed - at all - beyond next season. When it looked like Fox might back out entirely in July, no-one was exactly queuing out the door to take over. The fact that Fox re-committing for one more season at half the original price was touted as a successful negotiation by the FFA illustrates how dire the situation was. Add to it that the league currently doesn't have a main sponsor, and again with no-one showing much interest in it, shows what a difficult sell the league is at the moment. I mean, yes, Covid has been a part of this, but the TV audiences and crowds have been steadily decreasing for years now - I remember seeing a figure of 8,000 TV audience for a Nix v Jest game this season (last season?), and that was pre-Covid. Those sort of figures aren't going to attract anyone, and no-one is going to throw serious cash at the league for that kind of minimal exposure.
Obviously the NLWG was aware of these problems, and the reason why a 'transitional' period had been agreed with the FFA was to ensure that the 2016 Fox deal remained in place to give them some breathing space to turn things around. Now that breathing space has been cut from three years to one year, with half the expected money for that one to do it with. How do you make a struggling product turn its fortunes around when you have basically one shot at it, and less money to do it with than you had in previous seasons? It's super tough. The good thing is that it will force clubs to do some lateral thinking and re-design their business models to make them more feasible in the future. The issue is whether there is enough time to do that given the current circumstances.
How much would Hyundai have tipped into the pot because that has to be replaced as well, apparently they just about had a large Bank signed up but they backed out at the last minute. Whatever happens its going to look vastly different just have to hope like hell there is a will to ride it out by all.
https://www.themag.co.uk/2020/09/steven-taylor-sig...
Apparently he has signed for Odisha FC who play in the Indian Super League team.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12365042
Taylor stated that he left mostly because he wanted security as in COVID-19. But with all due respect, he is going to a country with a high number of cases.
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Think you might find he is referring to money more than anything else. Would imagine they keep things pretty tight as far as Covid goes and sports teams.
Think you might find he is referring to money more than anything else. Would imagine they keep things pretty tight as far as Covid goes and sports teams.
Probably....
https://www.themag.co.uk/2020/09/steven-taylor-sig...
Apparently he has signed for Odisha FC who play in the Indian Super League team.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12365042
Taylor stated that he left mostly because he wanted security as in COVID-19. But with all due respect, he is going to a country with a high number of cases.
????
Obviously. But I think it's fair to say that the ownership group is committed to sticking it out for as long as possible. There may come a point when it's no longer feasible to keep going though.
There is also the possibility of the league itself folding, which would have the same effect.
Yeah, I think the more likely end would be if the league folds - I think if we are at the point of folding, there would be a number of clubs that would have gone to the wall first.
Can we join the Indian league? They've got most of our players from the last two years already!
Obviously. But I think it's fair to say that the ownership group is committed to sticking it out for as long as possible. There may come a point when it's no longer feasible to keep going though.
There is also the possibility of the league itself folding, which would have the same effect.
Yeah, I think the more likely end would be if the league folds - I think if we are at the point of folding, there would be a number of clubs that would have gone to the wall first.
Agree, I can see at least three other clubs folding before us (and that's not counting CCM and whatever is happening there).
https://www.themag.co.uk/2020/09/steven-taylor-sig...
Apparently he has signed for Odisha FC who play in the Indian Super League team.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...
Taylor stated that he left mostly because he wanted security as in COVID-19. But with all due respect, he is going to a country with a high number of cases.
????
Perhaps he watched the same ex pats looking at the recent TV series showing India as retirement option that I did...
Financial security??
Perhaps he has lived a life of excess and needs 1 more pay day. Or he has more confidence in the Indian Premiership being played than the A League moving forward??
Whilst I am gutted to see so many of our better players heading off, I am excited to see what kiwis make the step up. There is so much more talent coming through, it will be great to see more of this.
More minutes for Waine and Sutton and who knows.
Financial security??
Perhaps he has lived a life of excess and needs 1 more pay day. Or he has more confidence in the Indian Premiership being played than the A League moving forward??
Piney reported that he took massive cut over the covid break so others could keep getting paid. No one should begrudge him trying to finish setting himself up for the future, you are a long time retired as a footballer.
I imagine some of the Kiwis at ACFC would definitely be keen on a crack at the A League. Whether they are good enough I don't know, but many of them have overseas pro experience. Maybe they are on less coin these days at Kiwitea St. It's coming up 3 years since ACFC were last at a CWC. Lewis, Doyle, Adam Mitchell, Andrew Blake, Myer Bevan. Cam Howieson has reportedly turned down the Nix before. Is 32 year old Emilano Tade worth a look? Supersport in South Africa (the Sydney FC of SA) were sad to see him go reportedly, but less sad to cut Brockie loose.
I'm an ACFC ST holder. All of those you've mentioned would be good enough to make the step up, with the exception of Doyle who imo has already proven he's not good enough for the A-League.
Interested to hear that - in my eyes, of the players Coochie listed (and leaving Doyle aside for now), only Lewis is close to being ready-made A-league player. Tade is also interesting, he doesn't have the work rate to be a solid professional footballer, but has the ability to get you a goal out of nothing, and in a watered down A-league that'd be a nice quality to have.
I guess the elephant in the room is Covid. If the Nix have to play next season based in NSW there will be lots of players who won’t be interested. It’s a huge ask for anyone to disrupt their lives to that extent. I guess the youngsters would jump at the chance just to play pro football but the older guys with families would really not want to. It would be interested to see how many of the coaching staff would commit to living in a NSW hub......Uffie included.
I imagine some of the Kiwis at ACFC would definitely be keen on a crack at the A League. Whether they are good enough I don't know, but many of them have overseas pro experience. Maybe they are on less coin these days at Kiwitea St. It's coming up 3 years since ACFC were last at a CWC. Lewis, Doyle, Adam Mitchell, Andrew Blake, Myer Bevan. Cam Howieson has reportedly turned down the Nix before. Is 32 year old Emilano Tade worth a look? Supersport in South Africa (the Sydney FC of SA) were sad to see him go reportedly, but less sad to cut Brockie loose.
I'm an ACFC ST holder. All of those you've mentioned would be good enough to make the step up, with the exception of Doyle who imo has already proven he's not good enough for the A-League.
Interested to hear that - in my eyes, of the players Coochie listed (and leaving Doyle aside for now), only Lewis is close to being ready-made A-league player. Tade is also interesting, he doesn't have the work rate to be a solid professional footballer, but has the ability to get you a goal out of nothing, and in a watered down A-league that'd be a nice quality to have.
I guess the elephant in the room is Covid. If the Nix have to play next season based in NSW there will be lots of players who won’t be interested. It’s a huge ask for anyone to disrupt their lives to that extent. I guess the youngsters would jump at the chance just to play pro football but the older guys with families would really not want to. It would be interested to see how many of the coaching staff would commit to living in a NSW hub......Uffie included.
Bitch plz they get paid to play, rain/hail or shine in any part of the world. So your comments are redundant. .
I imagine some of the Kiwis at ACFC would definitely be keen on a crack at the A League. Whether they are good enough I don't know, but many of them have overseas pro experience. Maybe they are on less coin these days at Kiwitea St. It's coming up 3 years since ACFC were last at a CWC. Lewis, Doyle, Adam Mitchell, Andrew Blake, Myer Bevan. Cam Howieson has reportedly turned down the Nix before. Is 32 year old Emilano Tade worth a look? Supersport in South Africa (the Sydney FC of SA) were sad to see him go reportedly, but less sad to cut Brockie loose.
I'm an ACFC ST holder. All of those you've mentioned would be good enough to make the step up, with the exception of Doyle who imo has already proven he's not good enough for the A-League.
Interested to hear that - in my eyes, of the players Coochie listed (and leaving Doyle aside for now), only Lewis is close to being ready-made A-league player. Tade is also interesting, he doesn't have the work rate to be a solid professional footballer, but has the ability to get you a goal out of nothing, and in a watered down A-league that'd be a nice quality to have.
I guess the elephant in the room is Covid. If the Nix have to play next season based in NSW there will be lots of players who won’t be interested. It’s a huge ask for anyone to disrupt their lives to that extent. I guess the youngsters would jump at the chance just to play pro football but the older guys with families would really not want to. It would be interested to see how many of the coaching staff would commit to living in a NSW hub......Uffie included.
Bitch plz they get paid to play, rain/hail or shine in any part of the world. So your comments are redundant. .
If I already have a decent-paying job and a house and my family in Auckland and get a bit extra for playing NRFL and National League, I am not binning that off to spend six months in a sport quarantine likely on worse pay than my regular job with no guarantee of a contract beyond 2021.
Stupid people say stupid things, Royz your screen must be mirror polished.
I imagine some of the Kiwis at ACFC would definitely be keen on a crack at the A League. Whether they are good enough I don't know, but many of them have overseas pro experience. Maybe they are on less coin these days at Kiwitea St. It's coming up 3 years since ACFC were last at a CWC. Lewis, Doyle, Adam Mitchell, Andrew Blake, Myer Bevan. Cam Howieson has reportedly turned down the Nix before. Is 32 year old Emilano Tade worth a look? Supersport in South Africa (the Sydney FC of SA) were sad to see him go reportedly, but less sad to cut Brockie loose.
I'm an ACFC ST holder. All of those you've mentioned would be good enough to make the step up, with the exception of Doyle who imo has already proven he's not good enough for the A-League.
Interested to hear that - in my eyes, of the players Coochie listed (and leaving Doyle aside for now), only Lewis is close to being ready-made A-league player. Tade is also interesting, he doesn't have the work rate to be a solid professional footballer, but has the ability to get you a goal out of nothing, and in a watered down A-league that'd be a nice quality to have.
Maybe Mitchell less so than the others, but with all due respect to the Nix, the bar is fairly low. TAHW & Cal were good enough, so I don't doubt some of the others from ACFC. There's probably a big question with attitude for some of them though.
Howie- would slot in quite comfortably. His work rate's incredibly high, he makes intelligent runs and passes for the most part. I'd probably play him over Rufer, but as I mentioned in my post - he makes more playing for ACFC and club than he'll get at the Phoenix. To add to that, I get the impression he's happy just playing football in Auckland and doesn't really have any desire to go any further.
Bevan - got 14/14 - I'd probably have him over Tade just because of the age gap. He has the Striker's arrogance about him - constantly winding up defenses off the ball. He'd offer more of a threat than Waine and tbh - we don't' really have any other out and out strikers.
Lewis - Is an intelligent player and I think would be A-League quality. He's very much an out and out CAM, but I do wonder if that'll suit Uffie's style as we didn't really play with anyone in the hole for most of last season (Dávila did from time to time but his position varied most games). I think he'd give us something different to what we had last season.
Blake- Impressed me last season. He looks very comfortable, strong and offered a lot going forward too. With Libby leaving, fullback's a position we're short in.
TAHW was marginal when he played (I will never forget that it was his error that helped Perth score the goal in the play-off). Elliott I suspect benefited more from being in the professional environment full time rather than Handy Prem alone, his development from last season (when he was quite poor) to this season has been stratospheric.
I discounted Howieson because he has shown no inclination to come to the Nix before, and I doubt he'd be interested now.
I'm a hard disagree on Bevin, to me he's a guy who's just benefited from being a forward in one of the best teams in the competition, but there's nothing about him that makes think that there's a professional footballer in him. Kind of like a slimmer version of Hamish Watson I guess.
I haven't really seen enough of Blake to have a firm opinion so won't argue that one.
But yes, the bar for next season especially will be quite low, so quite a few of those guys (and others from around Handy Prem) might be getting tapped on the shoulder in the next couple of months.
Hamish Watson is back from his (very short) stint in Melbourne...
I'm a hard disagree on Bevin, to me he's a guy who's just benefited from being a forward in one of the best teams in the competition, but there's nothing about him that makes think that there's a professional footballer in him. Kind of like a slimmer version of Hamish Watson I guess.
I mean, fair. Someone did a compilation of his goals & assists from last season - most of which are tap ins and the result of poor defending, but there's something to be said for a striker that even though they don't look "great" - knows how to be in the right place to score a goal.
There's also the question of, like Callan Elliot, which players have the potential to improve in a professional environment.
You might be one of the best players in the National League, but that might be because that is your level of the game - you've hit the ceiling of your ability at a point where you excel. A professional environment will improve your fitness, but mentally and technically there's a hard limit on how much further you can learn and grow as a player.
I'm not sure we're going to find another Krishna in the NZFC, even if it took us a while to realise that Roy was the player he could be.
I still think Rogerson is worth a shout.
Looked good for the U23's and offers us a natural wide attacker. Quick, but with more technical ability than Sotorio for example.
I still think Rogerson is worth a shout.
Looked good for the U23's and offers us a natural wide attacker. Quick, but with more technical ability than Sotorio for example.
Leaving aside all other discussions on Rogerson, isn't he broken? ACL or something like that?
Much as I like Bevin, I'd take Tade over him in a hearbeat. He's scored bucket loads of goals, actually has some pro experience and he'd add value in a watered down A league
I still think Rogerson is worth a shout.
Looked good for the U23's and offers us a natural wide attacker. Quick, but with more technical ability than Sotorio for example.
Leaving aside all other discussions on Rogerson, isn't he broken? ACL or something like that?
Pretty sure was a broken leg.
TAHW was marginal when he played (I will never forget that it was his error that helped Perth score the goal in the play-off). Elliott I suspect benefited more from being in the professional environment full time rather than Handy Prem alone, his development from last season (when he was quite poor) to this season has been stratospheric.
I discounted Howieson because he has shown no inclination to come to the Nix before, and I doubt he'd be interested now.
I'm a hard disagree on Bevin, to me he's a guy who's just benefited from being a forward in one of the best teams in the competition, but there's nothing about him that makes think that there's a professional footballer in him. Kind of like a slimmer version of Hamish Watson I guess.
I haven't really seen enough of Blake to have a firm opinion so won't argue that one.
But yes, the bar for next season especially will be quite low, so quite a few of those guys (and others from around Handy Prem) might be getting tapped on the shoulder in the next couple of months.
Yeah, reasons Taylor gives are understandable: uncertainty about when A-League season will start, likely reduced wages etc.
Also this in the news this morning: A-League players have rejected the A-League clubs' new Collective Bargaining Agreement which involves agreeing to big wage reductions: