Phoenix kit - The Turquoise and Teal Thread

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Fully understand the reason why they do the whole kit thing. But still is friggen annoying that one of the things about supporting your team is that you know what your home kit is and you wear that to home games. 
But no we have taken that away from the fans and sometimes the club just dosnt seem to understand fans.  

I actually think Dome and co are totally aware of this, Domey is just as much a fan as he is the CEO. Keeping the lights on is his job though and if one full stadium keeps us alive for a season then a few extra zeros for another kit sponsor is well worth some agnst. Becuase at the end of the day, without that $$ we dont have a team to support or a kit to complain about. And we all like the black kit right? just not it's use at home games.
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If the black kit had even the slightest amount of yellow, or we mixed and matched shorts (not also socks), I wouldn't mind, but... It's so black.

When you've got teams like CCM wearing yellow inside your yellow stadium, that's an issue.
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It's worth pointing out they only need three sets of kit. Yellow with sponsor A, yellow with sponsor B, and black with sponsor B.
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Napier Phoenix
Thought this is better posted in here than in the WU game thread: perhaps an off the wall POV here….. Dome has explained the mixed use of black and gold kit because of sponsorship commitments black for Oppo and Spark for yellow. I made the comment that the club should simply have 4 kits with sponsors on each colour. Critics rejected that because of cost (which I think is a pisspoor excuse). So how much in terms of dollars, reputation etc did the kit mix up cost this week? Perhaps WU has a fair degree of fault because they didn’t bring a second kit on the plane (extra baggage cost lol) but I’m certain when packing their bags they didn’t say “fudge it, lets throw a spanner in the works and only bring the kit that clashes with the Phoenix”. They obviously have no idea what kit our team wears and when…. Reasonably to assume that the Nix are yellow, teams wear their main strip and home and the green and black won’t clash.

The blame lies (perhaps mostly) with our club for this debacle.

What kits teams are wearing for each game are decided well ahead of the game. This is communicated to clus from APL. This is what both teams would have received.
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Napier Phoenix
Thought this is better posted in here than in the WU game thread: perhaps an off the wall POV here….. Dome has explained the mixed use of black and gold kit because of sponsorship commitments black for Oppo and Spark for yellow. I made the comment that the club should simply have 4 kits with sponsors on each colour. Critics rejected that because of cost (which I think is a pisspoor excuse). So how much in terms of dollars, reputation etc did the kit mix up cost this week? Perhaps WU has a fair degree of fault because they didn’t bring a second kit on the plane (extra baggage cost lol) but I’m certain when packing their bags they didn’t say “fudge it, lets throw a spanner in the works and only bring the kit that clashes with the Phoenix”. They obviously have no idea what kit our team wears and when…. Reasonably to assume that the Nix are yellow, teams wear their main strip and home and the green and black won’t clash.

The blame lies (perhaps mostly) with our club for this debacle.

What kits teams are wearing for each game are decided well ahead of the game. This is communicated to clus from APL. This is what both teams would have received.
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So by that understanding WUN causded the entire issue by bringing their home kit instead of their white away kit? 
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Thats very interesting to know, completely blows my rant out of the water lol. Thanks 2B. What a bunch of wankers WU are lol, it will be Andrew Durante’s fault.
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Napier Phoenix
Thought this is better posted in here than in the WU game thread: perhaps an off the wall POV here….. Dome has explained the mixed use of black and gold kit because of sponsorship commitments black for Oppo and Spark for yellow. I made the comment that the club should simply have 4 kits with sponsors on each colour. Critics rejected that because of cost (which I think is a pisspoor excuse). So how much in terms of dollars, reputation etc did the kit mix up cost this week? Perhaps WU has a fair degree of fault because they didn’t bring a second kit on the plane (extra baggage cost lol) but I’m certain when packing their bags they didn’t say “fudge it, lets throw a spanner in the works and only bring the kit that clashes with the Phoenix”. They obviously have no idea what kit our team wears and when…. Reasonably to assume that the Nix are yellow, teams wear their main strip and home and the green and black won’t clash.

The blame lies (perhaps mostly) with our club for this debacle.

What kits teams are wearing for each game are decided well ahead of the game. This is communicated to clus from APL. This is what both teams would have received.
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It's worth pointing out they only need three sets of kit. Yellow with sponsor A, yellow with sponsor B, and black with sponsor B.

If they were doing a 50/50 split they would probably need half the away games with sponsor A though.  So 4.
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The Nix could've told WU to play shirtless and put numbers on their backs with a marker pen!! ;) 
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It's worth pointing out they only need three sets of kit. Yellow with sponsor A, yellow with sponsor B, and black with sponsor B.

If they were doing a 50/50 split they would probably need half the away games with sponsor A though.  So 4.

With yellow shirts being viable on the road in all but a couple of matches, you don't need black shirts with both sponsors.

But also, at least as it was explained to me last season, the only snag is 50/50 across the season, not also 50/50 home/away. The reason they can't achieve 50/50 across the season just by going 50 home yellow/50 away black is because black clashes with a lot of other team's home kits. That then prompts the crossover.
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Time for an article Andrew “Wellington Phoenix fans outraged by the club’s lack of concern for them”
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Time for an article Andrew “Wellington Phoenix fans outraged by the club’s lack of concern for them”

Pop it on Reddit and it'll be on Stuff in the morning :P
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The Nix could've told WU to play shirtless and put numbers on their backs with a marker pen!! ;) 

And then they would have been naked by the end of the match, because we pants'ed them.
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Thats very interesting to know, completely blows my rant out of the water lol. Thanks 2B. What a bunch of wankers WU are lol, it will be Andrew Durante’s fault.
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Napier Phoenix
Thought this is better posted in here than in the WU game thread: perhaps an off the wall POV here….. Dome has explained the mixed use of black and gold kit because of sponsorship commitments black for Oppo and Spark for yellow. I made the comment that the club should simply have 4 kits with sponsors on each colour. Critics rejected that because of cost (which I think is a pisspoor excuse). So how much in terms of dollars, reputation etc did the kit mix up cost this week? Perhaps WU has a fair degree of fault because they didn’t bring a second kit on the plane (extra baggage cost lol) but I’m certain when packing their bags they didn’t say “fudge it, lets throw a spanner in the works and only bring the kit that clashes with the Phoenix”. They obviously have no idea what kit our team wears and when…. Reasonably to assume that the Nix are yellow, teams wear their main strip and home and the green and black won’t clash.

The blame lies (perhaps mostly) with our club for this debacle.

What kits teams are wearing for each game are decided well ahead of the game. This is communicated to clus from APL. This is what both teams would have received.
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Interesting to note that the sponsors on the scheduled black kit and purple gk kit are different - do we have a gk kit with the other sponsor? Or does Paulsen just wear Spark every week
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Napier Phoenix
Thought this is better posted in here than in the WU game thread: perhaps an off the wall POV here….. Dome has explained the mixed use of black and gold kit because of sponsorship commitments black for Oppo and Spark for yellow. I made the comment that the club should simply have 4 kits with sponsors on each colour. Critics rejected that because of cost (which I think is a pisspoor excuse). So how much in terms of dollars, reputation etc did the kit mix up cost this week? Perhaps WU has a fair degree of fault because they didn’t bring a second kit on the plane (extra baggage cost lol) but I’m certain when packing their bags they didn’t say “fudge it, lets throw a spanner in the works and only bring the kit that clashes with the Phoenix”. They obviously have no idea what kit our team wears and when…. Reasonably to assume that the Nix are yellow, teams wear their main strip and home and the green and black won’t clash.

The blame lies (perhaps mostly) with our club for this debacle.

What kits teams are wearing for each game are decided well ahead of the game. This is communicated to clus from APL. This is what both teams would have received.
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Have they always done this? Would it not have prevented that disaster a few years ago at NHS with the Nix in grey, the Vucktree in white, and the sand painted green?
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I'm sure someone has said it but black kit is Phoenix home kit heritage.

And you all should be wearing Fever merch to home games anyway.
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Napier Phoenix
Thought this is better posted in here than in the WU game thread: perhaps an off the wall POV here….. Dome has explained the mixed use of black and gold kit because of sponsorship commitments black for Oppo and Spark for yellow. I made the comment that the club should simply have 4 kits with sponsors on each colour. Critics rejected that because of cost (which I think is a pisspoor excuse). So how much in terms of dollars, reputation etc did the kit mix up cost this week? Perhaps WU has a fair degree of fault because they didn’t bring a second kit on the plane (extra baggage cost lol) but I’m certain when packing their bags they didn’t say “fudge it, lets throw a spanner in the works and only bring the kit that clashes with the Phoenix”. They obviously have no idea what kit our team wears and when…. Reasonably to assume that the Nix are yellow, teams wear their main strip and home and the green and black won’t clash.

The blame lies (perhaps mostly) with our club for this debacle.

What kits teams are wearing for each game are decided well ahead of the game. This is communicated to clus from APL. This is what both teams would have received.
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Have they always done this? Would it not have prevented that disaster a few years ago at NHS with the Nix in grey, the Vucktree in white, and the sand painted green?
They have. With that particular match, the grey looked darker in the graphic than it turned out to be IRL.
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I assume they've sold two x Tier 1 sponsorships (jersey front) and agreed that each will have the same amount of exposure both home and away. 

I'd love to know the cost involved in extra kits, surely it's minimal? The kits are being produced anyhow, what's the difference if a few more have Oppo and a few less Spark and vice versa on the front.

Be interesting to hear from the Marketing Managers of both companies as to whether they really see this as an issue.
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I assume they've sold two x Tier 1 sponsorships (jersey front) and agreed that each will have the same amount of exposure both home and away. 

I'd love to know the cost involved in extra kits, surely it's minimal? The kits are being produced anyhow, what's the difference if a few more have Oppo and a few less Spark and vice versa on the front.

Be interesting to hear from the Marketing Managers of both companies as to whether they really see this as an issue.

it'd be commericially sensitive, but I'd expect you're accurate.
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I assume they've sold two x Tier 1 sponsorships (jersey front) and agreed that each will have the same amount of exposure both home and away. 

I'd love to know the cost involved in extra kits, surely it's minimal? The kits are being produced anyhow, what's the difference if a few more have Oppo and a few less Spark and vice versa on the front.

Be interesting to hear from the Marketing Managers of both companies as to whether they really see this as an issue.

My understanding is it is just the same amount of exposure across the season, not broken down to the same amount of exposure both home and away. The reason they then can't take care of that with the yellow kit at home and the dark kit away is the dark kit clashes with several other teams' home kits.
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It is laziness and now they have an entrenched position and won’t rectify and apologise to fans. Its an own goal by the club and I hope they take the lesson on board for future.
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Dougie Rydal
I assume they've sold two x Tier 1 sponsorships (jersey front) and agreed that each will have the same amount of exposure both home and away. 

I'd love to know the cost involved in extra kits, surely it's minimal? The kits are being produced anyhow, what's the difference if a few more have Oppo and a few less Spark and vice versa on the front.

Be interesting to hear from the Marketing Managers of both companies as to whether they really see this as an issue.

My understanding is it is just the same amount of exposure across the season, not broken down to the same amount of exposure both home and away. The reason they then can't take care of that with the yellow kit at home and the dark kit away is the dark kit clashes with several other teams' home kits.
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Yeah they're definitely standing their ground on this one, almost refuse to discuss other than some basic info (from what I've read anyhow)

The Marketing/Brand Managers must be loving the conversations in place now, which have caused more people to talk about the sponsors than if they'd been no issue. So either way they're getting their money's worth.

Reminds me of the 1981 Spurs FA Cup Final, where half the Tottenham team didn't have 'Holsten' on their shirts, which apparently was a marketing ploy to get people talking about it (which they certainly did, although there's a hint of 'Urban Myth' about that one)
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It is laziness and now they have an entrenched position and won’t rectify and apologise to fans. Its an own goal by the club and I hope they take the lesson on board for future.
andrewvoerman
Dougie Rydal
I assume they've sold two x Tier 1 sponsorships (jersey front) and agreed that each will have the same amount of exposure both home and away. 

I'd love to know the cost involved in extra kits, surely it's minimal? The kits are being produced anyhow, what's the difference if a few more have Oppo and a few less Spark and vice versa on the front.

Be interesting to hear from the Marketing Managers of both companies as to whether they really see this as an issue.

My understanding is it is just the same amount of exposure across the season, not broken down to the same amount of exposure both home and away. The reason they then can't take care of that with the yellow kit at home and the dark kit away is the dark kit clashes with several other teams' home kits.

How is it laziness? The not responding to fans questions about their marketing/sposnsorship strategy? 
Or the decision to have to kit sponsors in the first place?
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Way to go with making out the only 2 questions are a ridiculous take on my point.

Laziness that they decided to simply go black/yellow 50/50 instead of spending some time in working out how they could achieve the same 50/50 outcome by having a yellow strip at home with 2 shirts with either sponsor. Black strip with the one sponsor for away fixtures, if a team clash, wear the yellow with the black sponsor. Its bush league, thats what it is.
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It is laziness and now they have an entrenched position and won’t rectify and apologise to fans. Its an own goal by the club and I hope they take the lesson on board for future.
andrewvoerman
Dougie Rydal
I assume they've sold two x Tier 1 sponsorships (jersey front) and agreed that each will have the same amount of exposure both home and away. 

I'd love to know the cost involved in extra kits, surely it's minimal? The kits are being produced anyhow, what's the difference if a few more have Oppo and a few less Spark and vice versa on the front.

Be interesting to hear from the Marketing Managers of both companies as to whether they really see this as an issue.

My understanding is it is just the same amount of exposure across the season, not broken down to the same amount of exposure both home and away. The reason they then can't take care of that with the yellow kit at home and the dark kit away is the dark kit clashes with several other teams' home kits.

How is it laziness? The not responding to fans questions about their marketing/sposnsorship strategy? 
Or the decision to have to kit sponsors in the first place?
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Way to go with making out the only 2 questions are a ridiculous take on my point.

Laziness that they decided to simply go black/yellow 50/50 instead of spending some time in working out how they could achieve the same 50/50 outcome by having a yellow strip at home with 2 shirts with either sponsor. Black strip with the one sponsor for away fixtures, if a team clash, wear the yellow with the black sponsor. Its bush league, thats what it is.
theprof
Napier Phoenix
It is laziness and now they have an entrenched position and won’t rectify and apologise to fans. Its an own goal by the club and I hope they take the lesson on board for future.
andrewvoerman
Dougie Rydal
I assume they've sold two x Tier 1 sponsorships (jersey front) and agreed that each will have the same amount of exposure both home and away. 

I'd love to know the cost involved in extra kits, surely it's minimal? The kits are being produced anyhow, what's the difference if a few more have Oppo and a few less Spark and vice versa on the front.

Be interesting to hear from the Marketing Managers of both companies as to whether they really see this as an issue.

My understanding is it is just the same amount of exposure across the season, not broken down to the same amount of exposure both home and away. The reason they then can't take care of that with the yellow kit at home and the dark kit away is the dark kit clashes with several other teams' home kits.

How is it laziness? The not responding to fans questions about their marketing/sposnsorship strategy? 
Or the decision to have to kit sponsors in the first place?
I called it out cos that was thre bit I dodnt quite understand where you were coming from.
Your explanation is loaded with an assumption that the club has done no ground work at all before making the call to run with two sponsored kits not the traditional home and away. I argue that that seems unlikely. I'd suggest that the team have done a cost/benefit analysis to satisfy themselves that this was the way they maximise sposnsor satisfaction ie visibility home and away, kits sales and their own bank balance. this is the austerity season, so spending more on additional versions of the kit is an easy saving. Assuming the nix pay anything for their kits.
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One thing that popped into my mind as well is maybe locking a kit in per sponsor makes the sponsors happy because if you buy a kit it's guaranteed to have their logo.

Can't get 2 with Oppo or 2 with Spark or whatevs
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Does anyone know when the deal with Paladin comes to an end? 

I've been a bit disappointed with what they've delivered tbh. Especially their training and gym gear left a lot to be desired. Poor selection and lazy designs imo. All seems a bit cookie cutter - and not cheap at that. Just my thoughts
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I've been stoked with the Paladin kits to be honest.  Love having sponsors properly printed on the jerseys too.  The old Huawei logos look bloody rough on my older shirts.
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I'm curious what you guys think.
I designed this as an Away kit concept due to the smart idea of playing in white in the Aussie heat.
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The winds of Wellington are represented all throughout the kit (subtly also on the white stripes).

Thoughts?
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I'm curious what you guys think.
I designed this as an Away kit concept due to the smart idea of playing in white in the Aussie heat.
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The winds of Wellington are represented all throughout the kit (subtly also on the white stripes).

Thoughts?
Looks awesome!
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I'm curious what you guys think.
I designed this as an Away kit concept due to the smart idea of playing in white in the Aussie heat.
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The winds of Wellington are represented all throughout the kit (subtly also on the white stripes).

Thoughts?

Send it to the club and maybe someone will run with it?
LG
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Outstanding, even for a "Home" top. I would definitely buy it.

And just get Oppo on 1 & Spark on another of the same design.
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WhoStoleMySock
I'm curious what you guys think.
I designed this as an Away kit concept due to the smart idea of playing in white in the Aussie heat.
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The winds of Wellington are represented all throughout the kit (subtly also on the white stripes).

Thoughts?

That is absolutely brilliant! Clean, fresh, but with traditional elements to it. 10/10 sir. I would buy that instantly, and that means something (haven't bought any football shirts in years)

I'd pair that with black shorts and either white or pale yellow socks
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Reminds me of this kit but with way more character:
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Thanks for the kind words everyone!

Funnily enough, I was more inspired by this shirt, which I'm not sure is a massive winner on these forums, but for me is the best away kit we've had in our existence.
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It emanates 'class' to me, and the black and yellow trim is beautiful.

And I definitely second the black shorts suggestion, that would be brilliant with the black trim! And white socks, which is also a pairing I'd love for the Nix to bring back with our home kits.
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Thanks for the kind words everyone!

Funnily enough, I was more inspired by this shirt, which I'm not sure is a massive winner on these forums, but for me is the best away kit we've had in our existence.
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It emanates 'class' to me, and the black and yellow trim is beautiful.

And I definitely second the black shorts suggestion, that would be brilliant with the black trim! And white socks, which is also a pairing I'd love for the Nix to bring back with our home kits.

I remember seeing that kit at Rebel Sport on clearance for $70. Could kick myself now for not buying it lol
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I'm curious what you guys think.
I designed this as an Away kit concept due to the smart idea of playing in white in the Aussie heat.
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The winds of Wellington are represented all throughout the kit (subtly also on the white stripes).

Thoughts?

Fudge me there's something about that design. Brilliant work
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WhoStoleMySock
I'm curious what you guys think.
I designed this as an Away kit concept due to the smart idea of playing in white in the Aussie heat.
Screenshot_20240306_181956_Instagram.jpg 359.32 KB

The winds of Wellington are represented all throughout the kit (subtly also on the white stripes).

Thoughts?

As an away kit, it would still clash with the Mariners
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WhoStoleMySock
I'm curious what you guys think.
I designed this as an Away kit concept due to the smart idea of playing in white in the Aussie heat.
Screenshot_20240306_181956_Instagram.jpg 359.32 KB

The winds of Wellington are represented all throughout the kit (subtly also on the white stripes).

Thoughts?

As an away kit, it would still clash with the Mariners

Not with a white back. Besides, I'm sure a pair of white shorts will be laying around somewhere to help that too haha

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