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2013 Friendly Discussion
Chris James and Kris Bright the odd names in the squad to travel to Saudi Arabia
Full squad:
Goalkeepers
1 – Glen MOSS
12 – Jacob SPOONLEY
Defenders
2 – Winston REID
3 – Tony LOCHHEAD
4 – Ben SIGMUND
5 – Tommy SMITH
22 – Andrew DURANTE
Midfielders
6 – Jake BUTLER
7 – Leo BERTOS
13 – Chris JAMES
15 – Ivan VICELICH
18 – Tim PAYNE
19 – Kris BRIGHT
21 – Cameron HOWIESON
Forwards
10 – Chris KILLEN
16 – Jeremy BROCKIE
17 – Kosta BARBAROUSES
19 – Kris BRIGHT
20 – Chris WOOD
That is a terribly weak looking midfield
Butler is simply not good enough and how he has made it is beyond me... how can an average ASB player beat and player playing J1 to the national squad!! JOKE
And has Bertos actually played in any of the NIX friendlies, is he fit or is he that far down Merricks ladder?? Either way, it makes his inclusion that much harder to fathom.
Good on Hawk then for the scoop on James and Bright. Had my doubts. Welcome back lads
Professional players yet again being overlooked for amateurs. Can not understand it.
The midfield is the worry, although McGlinchey will be in there for the playoff. Really hope we don't end up playing someone like Killen or Dura in midfield.
But excited to see Chris James in there. Very talented player. Hopefully has a Smeltz-vs-Wales-esque couple of matches and can win a spot in the squad for the playoffs.
That is a terribly weak looking midfield
Butler is simply not good enough and how he has made it is beyond me... how can an average ASB player beat and player playing J1 to the national squad!! JOKE
And has Bertos actually played in any of the NIX friendlies, is he fit or is he that far down Merricks ladder?? Either way, it makes his inclusion that much harder to fathom.
Agree. Very weak midfield.
No McGlinchey, Rojas or Hogg? I'm starting to get worried Ricki wont have a solid team ready before the play off :( It will be interesting what formation he picks. Im guessing standard 3-4-3
No McGlinchey, Rojas or Hogg? I'm starting to get worried Ricki wont have a solid team ready before the play off :( It will be interesting what formation he picks. Im guessing standard 3-4-3
And he picks Lochhead who hasn't played a game in how long..... Classic Ricki and his favourites !
versus Saudi to start -
Moss
Sigmund Reid Smith
Dura Payne
Bertos James Barbarouses Brockie
Wood
No McGlinchey, Rojas or Hogg? I'm starting to get worried Ricki wont have a solid team ready before the play off :( It will be interesting what formation he picks. Im guessing standard 3-4-3
McGlinchey is on maternity leave, Rojas is injured.
Needs more flaliing elbows.
Better to win playing dirty than not win.
I think it is better that we play attractive football - that will bring in the casual supporter.
better football generally means better results, but we are still some way behind the world's best so there are doubts whether we can compete better by trying and failing to play like spain
i'd like to see us placing an emphasis on creating our own style - direct, fast and on the deck, like holland
Needs more flaliing elbows.
Better to win playing dirty than not win.
I think it is better that we play attractive football - that will bring in the casual supporter.
better football generally means better results, but we are still some way behind the world's best so there are doubts whether we can compete better by trying and failing to play like spain
i'd like to see us placing an emphasis on creating our own style - direct, fast and on the deck, like holland
I think J82 was being ironic Reg.
versus Saudi to start -
Moss
Sigmund Reid Smith
Dura Payne
Bertos James Barbarouses Brockie
Wood
that's a bizarre formation and i don't know about barbarouses in the middle
i'm pretty sure it'll be 3-4-3
moss
reid, durante, smith
bertos, payne, vicelich/butler, lochhead
barbarouses, wood, killen
(btw, that's not my XI, but my predction)
the case of jeremy brockie is an interesting one. you could argue that he would now be ahead of killen and barbarouses in herbert's thinking
Needs more flaliing elbows.
Better to win playing dirty than not win.
I think it is better that we play attractive football - that will bring in the casual supporter.
better football generally means better results, but we are still some way behind the world's best so there are doubts whether we can compete better by trying and failing to play like spain
i'd like to see us placing an emphasis on creating our own style - direct, fast and on the deck, like holland
I think J82 was being ironic Reg.
whoops! damn disaffected youth
versus Saudi to start -
Moss
Sigmund Reid Smith
Dura Payne
Bertos James Barbarouses Brockie
Wood
that's a bizarre formation
It's a bizarre game in a bizarre situation. And it's time RH mixed things up bit.
Chris James and Kris Bright! Wow. Who would have thought they'd ever be back in the All Whites. Very excited to see if they can step up.
Chris James and Kris Bright! Wow. Who would have thought they'd ever be back in the All Whites. Very excited to see if they can step up.
Chris James and Kris Bright! Wow. Who would have thought they'd ever be back in the All Whites. Very excited to see if they can step up.
So's JV
versus Saudi to start -
Moss
Sigmund Reid Smith
Dura Payne
Bertos James Barbarouses Brockie
Wood
that's a bizarre formation
It's a bizarre game in a bizarre situation. And it's time RH mixed things up bit.
like!
Please let there be a radio sport interview or similar with Herbert regarding this team selection.
I want to hear an answer to "Ricki, how do you explain the non selection of professionals Henderson and Fitzgerald. Two players playing at a decent level overseas particularly Fitzgerald who is starting in the J1 and has experience as a DM a problem area yo yourself have identified."
Additionally, how to you justify the exclusion of Henderson when in previous selected All White squads
he was selected when still injured (for a year) and yet to play a game professionally. However, now fit, playing and scoring is considered not good enough.
And finally... have you actually ever seen Butler play in person??
I wonder what De Jong and others of influence think of the selections??
i'm surprised henderson is not there. he plays on either flank and scored goals - ideal for a front 3
kris bright must be in some form
as for fitzgerald, i thought he was a centre back or right back at a stretch?
Just sent NZF email asking them to explain the NZ team selection policy given the bizarre selections just announced.
Obviously don't expect an answer but atleast I feel better.
i'm surprised henderson is not there. he plays on either flank and scored goals - ideal for a front 3
kris bright must be in some form
as for fitzgerald, i thought he was a centre back or right back at a stretch?
Played DM last year in J2 but has slotted into CB this year in J1.
Henderson came off after 31 mins this week so perhaps injured?
We also didnt know mcglincheys mrs is expecting so who knows if fitzgerald is just unavai and henderson etc
another interesting call is picking spoonley over gleeson
I know someone mentioned that Kris bright was tapped in his thread but I am extremely surprised (pleasantly) to see Chris James back there. I really thought it would be a cold day in hell before he was back in the fold. Him and Ricki must have met and smoothed the waters. Good on him as I thought he was quality. Bright has his chance, let's see what he can do.
Just sent NZF email asking them to explain the NZ team selection policy given the bizarre selections just announced.
Obviously don't expect an answer but atleast I feel better.
Lol
Please let there be a radio sport interview or similar with Herbert regarding this team selection.
I want to hear an answer to "Ricki, how do you explain the non selection of professionals Henderson and Fitzgerald. Two players playing at a decent level overseas particularly Fitzgerald who is starting in the J1 and has experience as a DM a problem area yo yourself have identified."
Additionally, how to you justify the exclusion of Henderson when in previous selected All White squads
he was selected when still injured (for a year) and yet to play a game professionally. However, now fit, playing and scoring is considered not good enough.
And finally... have you actually ever seen Butler play in person??
Has anyone ?
Chris James always played a good short passing game. Not our typical All Whites style. Would suit Rojas playing style shame he is out. first time i saw Chris James play live was New zealand friendly vs charlton athletic. It took me half a game to figure out who this blonde kid was making short neat passes and then moving instead of just hoofing the ball long. second live game was vs Wales and he played out of his skin. both resulted in draws and he was the standout for me in both. even considering smeltz' double against wales.
needless to say i am glad he is getting another chance. but i will be keeping my expectations in check this time.
Chris James developed into NZ's best player on Football Manager 08
Like the pick of Bertos over Fenton as right back/wing back...one upmanship. Brockie should start ahead of Killen.
i'm surprised henderson is not there. he plays on either flank and scored goals - ideal for a front 3
kris bright must be in some form
as for fitzgerald, i thought he was a centre back or right back at a stretch?
Right on about Henderson - has played 30 games for Mjallby in Sweden's top league since he returned from injury in early August last year (has played 18 of Mjallby's 21 league games so far this year).
- and that's a much better league than the Finnish one Bright and James are playing in.
AND NO, BRIGHT ISN'T EVEN IN GOOD FORM !!! He's fallen from favour at Mariehamn (one of the smaller clubs in the Finnish league, on an isolated island, only turned pro in 2009) and has been reduced to three substitute appearances in their last five games. His goal-scoring form hasn't been tremendous either (8 goals in 20 games so far this season) - in a league poorer than the A-League (ranked 33rd league in Europe).
heck, any idea why he's been chosen?
i read that his dad, former all white dave, has been keeping in touch with brian turner.
if that's all it takes, maybe we should all ring ricki and do our best to give an honest appraisal of our sons
I actually got an email back from De Jong regarding selections. Albeit brief, I must say I am impressed he took the time.
Reply is below
Gareth
Thanks for taking the time to email. As with all international teams at NZ Football, final say on selection rests with the coach.
I have forwarded your comments through to Ricki Herbert for his attention.
Cheers
Fred
Henderson came off after 31 mins this week so perhaps injured?
Confirmed unfortunately -
This guy is jinxed when it comes to the All Whites - has been injury-free the last year, making 30 appearances for Mjallby (12 end of last season, 18 so far this season) and been in good form recently, scoring a few goals from midfield.
And now he gets injured when quite likely to be called up - confirmed on Mjallby official website in review of last weekend's match:
(After going there, click on news article "IF BROMMAPOJKARNA - MJALLBY AIF 2-0 (1-0) 2013-08-26 and then use Google translate - won't translate properly otherwise)
"After 30 minutes, becomes Henderson had to leave the pitch due to a hypo, Anton Dahlström replaces."
Let's hope it's not a major injury and he's available for the next All Whites friendlies in October.
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Out of interest, found a video of Bright and James playing against eachother in Finland in June (both started):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1OLHjIq8Q4