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So now getting to Qatar needs to be more shades of Singapore January 1982, rather than Manama/Wellington October/November 2009.

To me the only place that would offer a true 'neutral' venue for the 4 different Confed playoff teams would be somewhere in Europe. Everywhere else would be to some advantage for one of the 4 teams, re unequal crowd support. Playing in Europe in June is also not too bad, heat wise for the players. Large immigrant/expat city London to me a logical spot. Would get good crowds, with real novelty value for the Pommie football tragic. Maybe even worth taking them to Wembley. That's if UK Govt had no border restriction issues, for international teams. Best Kiwi support for sure outside NZ.

And yes sadly bringing the AWs down to NZ for a warmup game, early June 2022 then back up the NH for the playoff June 13th/14th, wouldn't be fair on the players. Ideal scenario beat Japan (5th AFC team) in the playoff, then a H&A series against Australia enroute to Qatar. Or some may prefer vice versa. But I never get the hate on the Socceroos.

AV's updated article.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/127049666/boost-for-all-whites-blow-for-kiwi-fans-as-fifa-changes-world-cup-playoff-format

Since Australia left Oceania for Asia in 2006, the All Whites have made it to the intercontinental playoffs every time, beating Bahrain in 2009 to make it to the 2010 World Cup, but losing to Mexico in 2013 and Peru in 2017, while playing in front of large home crowds at Wellington’s Sky Stadium.

Pragnell said missing out chance to potentially host a fourth match of that stature was a massive blow, especially as the home-and-away playoffs won’t return ahead of the 2026 event, where the top Oceania team will qualify directly.

“There's no getting away from that. Those intercontinental playoff games have been dramatic. They've been some of the greatest sporting moments in New Zealand sporting history, I would say. There's massive disappointment all around on that front.”

Another blow would be the potential loss of revenue from selling the broadcast rights for the home leg of a playoff, but Pragnell said it was too soon to say what the impact would be, as the participating teams could still receive some income in that regard.

Pragnell also said NZ Football would have a keen interest in how the neutral venues were decided. Controversial World Cup hosts Qatar have been mooted as a potential host, but temperatures in the Middle East in June would be inhospitable – hence why the tournament itself has been moved from then to next November and December.

As for the chances of bringing the All Whites home for the first time since November 2017 – a prospect that has grown all the more exciting after their wins over Curaçao, Bahrain, and The Gambia in recent months?

One benefit of the change to the playoff format is that there will definitely be a chance for the Oceania qualifier to play warm-up fixtures ahead of the must-win match in early June. But with that playoff likely to take place in the northern hemisphere, travelling to New Zealand first might be a bridge too far should the All Whites make it.

Pragnell said that if the All Whites were to qualify for the World Cup, a send-off fixture in September would be something they would pursue with serious intent.

“If we're en route to the World Cup, the idea of playing a home-and-away series, with a game in New Zealand, would be brilliant. If we've qualified, that's something that's going to be hugely appealing to New Zealand football fans and New Zealand sports fans in general.

“We've already sort of turned our mind in that direction and begun thinking about that as well.”

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From AV's article.

All Whites’ World Cup qualification – the path ahead

Saturday, 5am NZ time: Draw made for the intercontinental playoffs

January: Two friendlies to be confirmed

March: Oceania World Cup qualification. Format to be confirmed, but could be a short series of knockout matches if the existing Fifa window (21st – 29th/30th)) is not significantly extended

June 13/14: Top team from Oceania takes part in a one-off intercontinental playoff at a neutral venue

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From AV's article.

All Whites’ World Cup qualification – the path ahead

Saturday, 5am NZ time: Draw made for the intercontinental playoffs

January: Two friendlies to be confirmed

March: Oceania World Cup qualification. Format to be confirmed, but could be a short series of knockout matches if the existing Fifa window (21st – 29th/30th)) is not significantly extended

June 13/14: Top team from Oceania takes part in a one-off intercontinental playoff at a neutral venue


If the All Whites qualified for a World Cup off only four qualifiers, that would surely be close to a record of least games, certainly in the last 50 years or so
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It really sucks for Kiwi Football football, if Peru 4 years ago was last high stakes AWs game to be played in NZ for many years. Really sucks. Beating up the Islands nations at home will never get the juices flowing.

But yes a one off fickle playoff game at a neutral venue (depending alot on the venue) likely increases AWs chances of going to Qatar. We will learn alot more with news on the playoff draw & venue. 

Other really interesting development to watch is where will FIFA/AFC, decide to play the AFC playoff game (for the 2 teams that finish 3rd in their pools). If Socceroos finish 3rd in their pool (reasonable chance of that), playing in that one off playoff game at a 'neutral' venue, is a negative for them. Their AFC WC qualifying record is a lot better inside Australia, than away.

So they won't be happy, moving to a one off game as opposed to 2 legs, with a game at home. Plus most Asian venues in early June (NH summer), will be toasty warm. AFC tend to like the Middle East for neutal venue games. Recently China hosted Socceroos in Sharjah (presumably Chinese Covid issue), war torn Syria hosted Iran in nearby Amman, and similarily unsafe Iraq hosted Sth Korea in Doha.

All those locations will be unpleasantly hot come June 2022. The 3rd placed team in the other pool will be a ME team from Lebanon, UAE or Iraq. Bet the FFA are having a few chats to FIFA & AFC.

Aussie played first 2017 AFC playoff leg against Syria ('home' game for Syrians) in Melaka, Malaysia (night time mid 20s celsius). Was a 1-1 draw. So could be type of venue FFA push for, if they find themselves 3rd in their pool come March 2022 window (last round WC qualifying pool games).

So whilst these FIFA announcements of moving the June playoff games, to one leg only, is bad news for NZ Football, is worst news potentially for the Aussies.
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remember qatar has air conditioned stadiums
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Quick Aussie media view. If OFC does draw AFC, definitely be worth NZF and FFA having an early chat, and from that reaching out to FIFA even early on

AFC playoff team won't be known until early June. But what say it is the Socceroos, and they end up playing the AWs from OFC.

NZF & FFA could quickly scramble a 2 legged playoff series downunder, late June/early July. Bumper crowds. Would it matter that much if the playoffs were pushed into July (Euro clubs offseason)? FIFA would have already done WC draw in April, leaving 4 final drawn pool spots obviously 'post playoffs TBC'

CONEMBOL & CONCACAF could even organise their own 2 legged playoffs, to keep some integrity (those playoff teams will be know by March). Of course this all only becomes a slim possibility if AFC draw out OFC this weekend in Zurich.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-20/fifa-scraps-two-legged-intercontinental-playoffs-for-world-cups/100636526

"It has been speculated the matches will be in Qatar, but as that would be in the middle of the summer in extreme heat
a European venue may be preferred.

Wherever it is it is unlikely to be a friendly time for Australian television viewers, though a European venue would attract support from Australians overseas."

"The decision is unlikely to be welcomed by Football Australia.

Given limited success at World Cup finals, the home play-off legs against Uruguay and Honduras are two of the most memorable occasions in Australian football history.

The play-off also brings bumper pay days for host countries."
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my prediction is that CONMEBOL and CONCACAF will draw each other following the order from when they last played each other in 2010, and OFC and AFC will play each other. CONCACAF and CONMEBOL will try and have their own two legged playoff no problem. But I doubt there will be time for a two legged playff for AFC team due to the fifa window, so NZ will probably base themselves in the middle east and vs whoever wins AFC fourth round (logistically the easiest)
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my prediction is that CONMEBOL and CONCACAF will draw each other following the order from when they last played each other in 2010, and OFC and AFC will play each other. CONCACAF and CONMEBOL will try and have their own two legged playoff no problem. But I doubt there will be time for a two legged playff for AFC team due to the fifa window, so NZ will probably base themselves in the middle east and vs whoever wins AFC fourth round (logistically the easiest)

Well OFC are ‘due’ AFC which would be a favourable draw. Though a one off against the 4th CONCACAF team, in Europe could be even better. 

But it’s just a random draw no? Of Infantino's paw (or someone else) grabbing 4 Confed balls out of glass jar??
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That is 5am NZT I think, although they are doing the Europe stuff first - not sure how long that takes. Let's hope we avoid CONMEBOL. Although getting CONCACAF and running into Mexico again also wouldn't be good!

For me preferences are Asia > Concacaf >>>>>> Conmebol.

If we get Asia then Australia is most likely based on current group standings. How absurd would it be if you we end up playing Australia in Qatar... instead of home & away. 
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I think good chance Mex & USA grab 2 automatic CONCACAF spots. Mex play 4 of their last 6 games at home. Canada (3rd, 14 pts) 4 away. Panama (4th, 14 pts) with a 5 point gap on Costa Rica (5th, 9 pts) or Canada in that playoff spot. Shut down Alphonso Davies half way to beating Canucks. Best playoff outcome I reckon. 
https://us.soccerway.com/international/nc-america/wc-qualifying-concacaf/2022-qatar/2nd-round/r44081/

Plus I see neutral venue for Playoffs being somewhere in Europe. Those 2 games consecutive days in mid June, could fill out Wembley, given huge expat popns in that city, plus Europe in general. Neutral venue with crowds. Why not?

Failing that yes AFC as 2nd choice, and very early chat FFA & NZF about approaching FIFA to shoehorn 2 bumper playoff games into late June/early July next year. Big problem Socceroos wouldn't be confirmed as AFC playoff opponent until early June.

CONEMBOL, tears.
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Live stream that works for me. Looks like will be a dragged out process, starting with yes draw for Euro playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGOLH2tE7gg

New Caledonia/French legend Christian Karembeu on the panel of guests to maybe give it a OFC chat flavour later on.

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Kind of entertaining to see Italy and Portugal end up in the same Euro path meaning one of them won't go through. One of the presenters looked pissed! 
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Kind of entertaining to see Italy and Portugal end up in the same Euro path meaning one of them won't go through. One of the presenters looked pissed! 

Yeah fact AWs won't have to beat Italy or Portugal, brings a sense of reality that getting to a 32 team WC, shouldn't be easy.

Mancini had a wry smile knowing winning away in Lisbon, or Istanbul (if Turkey upset Portugal) awaits if Italy are to make Qatar.
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We get Concacaf
Sweet as a nut!!

CONCACAF has 6 qualifying games left. Fingers crossed I reckon Canada (FIFA ranking 40) or Panama (63). At a neutral venue, full strength, one off have a real shot!
https://us.soccerway.com/international/nc-america/wc-qualifying-concacaf/2022-qatar/2nd-round/r44081/

https://en.fifaranking.net/concacaf/ranking.php
Wonder if NZF & Hay will try plan now for 'CONCACAF simulation' opponent, January window. Haiti (FIFA ranking 87)? They played in Bahrain a few months back.  Trinidad & Tobago (100) 

Top 8 ranked sides in CONCACAF, are the 8 teams in their WC qualifying final stage that finishes March window next year.

Or just stay with AFC, CAF opponent rumours - given is some top 100 CAF teams maybe available.

A real hard quality friendly early days June, about 10 days before 13th-14th June playoff, also shapes as a must game somewhere in Europe. Should be plenty of options with most teams having well finished WC qualifying. Even 2 friendlies from say late May to give all of a 23-30 man squad a run, as the jump in quality & intensity from that March OFC tourney to Panama or whoever will be huge.

FYI - Curacao have a FIFA ranking 80. What a handy choice as a friendly they may turn out to have been. Curacao only lost a 2 legged playoff to Panama June this year on aggregate 2-1, meaning Panama went though to final stage qualifying.
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That was surprisingly entertaining...Ill take it! 

Australia's home match against Japan is now massive for them... Lose that and they are in trouble. 
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That was surprisingly entertaining...Ill take it! 

Australia's home match against Japan is now massive for them... Lose that and they are in trouble. 
Was just thinking about Arnie & the Socceroos.

They will be packing themselves about finishing 3rd in their group now. Yes that Japanese game 23rd March in Aus, now bigger than Texas.
https://us.soccerway.com/teams/australia/australia/156/
https://us.soccerway.com/international/asia/wc-qualifying-asia/2022-qatar/3rd-round/r51885/

Though a CONEMBOL team at a neutral venue one off, likely easier than over 2 legs, H&A. Plus they got up over Uruguay in 2005, after years of agony - but that was a far better Aus team than now.

Wonder when they will name Neutral Venue, plus confirm OFC tourney details.

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/127055695/oceanias-top-team-to-face-concacafs-fourth-in-oneoff-world-cup-playoff-in-qatar

Oceania qualifying is set to take place in Qatar in March. A draw is set to take place on Tuesday [NZ time] but the format is yet to be confirmed.
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Decent draw that. Have heard good things about how Canada are playing, so I’m picking Panama for that fourth spot. 

Honestly as much as a playoff with Australia would be cool I’d far rather Panama or Canada over Australia or Japan, so pretty stoked with that draw tbh. 
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/127055695/oceanias-top-team-to-face-concacafs-fourth-in-oneoff-world-cup-playoff-in-qatar

Oceania qualifying is set to take place in Qatar in March. A draw is set to take place on Tuesday [NZ time] but the format is yet to be confirmed.

Neutral venue for playoff is ... surprise ... Qatar. OFC format due Monday. OFC draw Tuesday 9am NZ time.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/127055695/oceanias-top-team-to-face-concacafs-fourth-in-oneoff-world-cup-playoff-in-qatar

Oceania qualifying is set to take place in Qatar in March. A draw is set to take place on Tuesday [NZ time] but the format is yet to be confirmed.

Neutral venue for playoff is ... surprise ... Qatar. OFC format due Monday. OFC draw Tuesday 9am NZ time.

Qatar, urrgh. Why not Europe you have to ask in June? Make it a 2 day football festival at Wembley.

Those new shiny airconditioned Doha stadia better work well. But no one will like walking around outside in 40 degree heat, even if you are born & bred in a Panamian jungle town. So I guess it's a disadvantage to all.

Plus at least Hay & the AWs will most likely have spent a lot of time in that part of the world by mid June 2022. Almost a 2nd home, re hotels, facilities etc. That's one edge for sure.

Plus we have avoided CONEMBOL, and AFC which could yet end up being a Middle Eastern team like Oman, UAE, Lebanon, or Iraq - not making Qatar so neutral at all. Though you'd have to favour it'll be Aus or Japan. 
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Maybe incorrect but some amateur trainspotting by moi, seems to indicate 2 instances of a CONCACAF team getting to a World Cup through an Intercontinental Playoff. Mexico beating AWs in 2013, and Dwight Yorke's Trindidad & Tobago getting up in 2005. 

Honduras lost Australia 2017
Mexico beat NZ 2013
Costa Rica lost Uruguay 2009
T&T beat Bahrain 2005
Canada lost to Australia 1993 on pens (Socceroos lost to Argentina in next playoff round)

2002 & 1998 World Cups, didn't involve CONCACAF teams in Intercontinental Playoffs.
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And with luck it will be very very different to 2013, for AWs.

Hopefully not Mexico.

If get 2 friendlies in January, OFC tourney, and 1-2 friendlies late May/early June - a pretty good 12 month buildup by AWs standards, going back to the Olympics. And seemingly a well ingrained game plan, with tweaks tried depending on opposition and player availability, ie Singh & Thomas both available may see a midfield diamond more.

2013 was a mess. NZF allowing Herbert to juggle 2 hats as AWs & Nix coach, so his time demands & focus all over the show. NZF not spending money on resources (like the analysis stuff Hudson later demanded) to help Herbert. No Confeds Cup buildup games, after 'Horror in Honiara'. Tailsman Reid's late West Ham injury withdrawl, a big morale blow from memory. Pretty shambolic buildup with knee jerk unplanned selections esp Jeremy Christie. 

Much deeper squad depth now than 2013. Not having Reid or Thomas (2 of the big 3-4) won't be mortal blow that not having Reid was in 2013. We are used to not having them. Yeah Wood and/or Singh missing would be big blows. But depth is far far greater than the past. Will be underdogs, however over 90-120 mins will have a shot.

But yes first need to win the OFC tourney. Though the bad Covid situation in Island nations has them all, way behind with their preparations. A lot them haven't played an international game for 3 years now.
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So good to avoid South America.. this draws actually given us a real decent shot at making the World Cup.. excite!

Still gutted we’re losing a potential home playoff.. looks like the Peru game was the last high stakes game of international footy we’ll see in this country for a bit.

Pretty questionable FIFA putting the playoff in Qatar in June though. Was deemed too hot for the World Cup proper but fine for the playoffs?? 

Be good to see the OFC format Monday. Hoping we see some kind of group format as opposed to 3 straight knock out games. But yea could be a timing issue there. 
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https://www.oceaniafootball.com/draw-confirms-fifa-world-cup-intercontinental-play-off-pairings/

With the aim of continuing to test operations ahead of the FIFA World Cup 2022, FIFA has confirmed Qatar as the neutral venue for the intercontinental play-off matches, which will be played at one of the tournament venues featuring the country’s innovative cooling system on 13 and 14 June 2022.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/127055695/all-whites-sweating-on-oceania-qualifying-format-as-path-to-world-cup-firms-up

OFC should gift the playoff spot to AWs now. Only OFC team with any hope of getting through to Qatar, esp with Covid harming any prep by the Islands

Then NZF can schedule some more AWs quality friendlies in March, and if AWs do win through in June give OFC $1M of FIFA’s World Cup money or something. Reschedule last years cancelled Islands Nations Cup late 2022 smarter use of OFC’s stretched cash resources, and gives all teams min 3 games 

Island Nations better to build towards 2026 and OFC getting 1.5 spots or however that expanded 48 team WC is going to work
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I'm guessing that the World Cup playoffs will be hosted in Qatar because their authorities will have offered to pick up the entire tab, including transport (no proof of this, just an educated hunch...).  Chances are the OFC tourney may also be partly funded or subsidised by FIFA and/or Qatar.

OFC wouldn't can it unless the health/pandemic situation warranted it.  And if I was a footballer from Fiji or the Solomons and I hadn't had a international match in years, and there was a chance to go and play in a foreign country in state of the art stadia etc etc - why on earth wouldn't they go for it?  If OFC canned it without a compelling reason their member FAs will go nuts!!

Also think of the fans in the Islands, who have had an even longer wait than AWs fans to see their teams in action - these games will be televised, and can be a big boost for people from those places who are doing it tough.
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Yeah but if it's straight knockout, so half teams get one game, it's a long way and cost to go for 90 mins, and not sure FIFA/Qatar are going to cover total tourney costs.

Qataris have December's Arab Cup, and Intercontinental Playoffs next year among other events to trial all the logistics of running a World Cup.

But I guess counter agrument from a selfish NZ persepective is, 2-3 OFC knockout games at least simulate the butterflies challenge of knockout football, aka CONCACAF playoff. Friendlies never provide that. 

And if AWs can't win through OFC no matter what the format, they shouldn't be in that mid June playoff game. There will plenty of better teams with hard luck stories who won't be in Qatar - take your no 1 pick from Italy or Portugal for starters.

Just not sure a March tourney of knockout games, with ill prepared teams, is a good use of OFC funds if they have to carry most of the cost. Better to look at a rescheduled OFC Nations Cup late 2022, or some AFC/OFC Nations League format from 2023 onwards giving Islands regular competitive games. 
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Good news with the play off route, AW will be going to Qatar for sure now.
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Whichever team wins the OFC format (hopefully it’s not just three knockout games but definite possibility) will have to go to Qatar for a one-off game anyway in June, so it’s not much different. The island teams will be underdogs against us in the same way we would be against a CONMEBOL team had we drawn them, but if Colombia/Uruguay/Peru/Chile said they should just be given the spot to save us a trip as they would win anyway, I’m fairly sure there’d be some serious grievances on our side.

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Whichever team wins the OFC format (hopefully it’s not just three knockout games but definite possibility) will have to go to Qatar for a one-off game anyway in June, so it’s not much different. The island teams will be underdogs against us in the same way we would be against a CONMEBOL team had we drawn them, but if Colombia/Uruguay/Peru/Chile said they should just be given the spot to save us a trip as they would win anyway, I’m fairly sure there’d be some serious grievances on our side.


Partly oranges & apples, but fair point. Be interesting to see what OFC decide upon.
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Who is likely to be our opposition for the playoff?
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Who is likely to be our opposition for the playoff?
If things go our way Panama or Costa Rica. If the universe conspires against us Mexico or Canada
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Who is likely to be our opposition for the playoff?
If things go our way Panama or Costa Rica. If the universe conspires against us Mexico or Canada
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I think we're getting a bit too far ahead of ourselves around here..
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Be tough if part of the OFC qualifiers fall outside the March window. Surely all WC qualifiers need to be in a window of some sort otherwise pretty unfair to pit club against country with the World Cup on the line. Not just for us but the island nations as well. Will impact the integrity of the whole thing otherwise.

Sure some clubs could play nice and release our players. But tbf they’ll be under no obligations to so might be some heavy negotiating by NZF.

Hopefully we’ll be able to call up the NZ/AUS based guys by then but again Talay ain’t gonna want half his team gone for 2 matches (and rightly so!).

Guess we’ll find out either way on Monday..


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I think we're getting a bit too far ahead of ourselves around here..
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Yipe likely, but AWs are miles ahead in their prep compared to Islands.

They are dealing with suspended domestic leagues, bringing in new coaches and naming early training  squads. Plus any overseas players like a David Browne for PNG not likely to join them until March. Solomons of course a real mess last few days.

They are at a huge disadvantage compared to Hay running a pretty solid Overseas based squad with plenty of contact time, starting in Japan.

And the Middle East will be all new to them. The AW setup ME vets in comparison. 

It’s no wonder they seem to still be arguing over best tourney schedule, to at least make Island teams competitive. Maybe some Jan window OFC pool games, to give them some prep. Knock outs in March, Qatar. AWs straight through to March knockouts. Who knows
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OFC has nominated teams before at age group level so not totally out of the question.

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