All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

A longshot maybe, but whaddaya think?

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
A longshot maybe, but whaddaya think?
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
All this talk on a separate topic (What's wrong with NZ football) about us joining Asia has got me thinking outside the square. which can be dangerous.
Anyway, if FIFA were to maintain the status quo and keep Oceania as a full conderation (but with only half the benefit others get), why should be just blindly follow Aussie there anyway?
Id rather we were in with South America. Geographically we are just as close (to some parts anyhow) and as FIFA have allowed the precedent of Aussie in Asia, could they really veto it? Wouldn't you rather see us vs Argentina/Brazil than Thailand/Malaysia? And the Copa America happens every two years. Heaps more games.
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TheJam2008-06-21 17:13:36
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The top teams of South America would beat us senseless (more so than the top teams of Asia), but at least there would still be South American teams to trounce (aka Suriname, Guyana etc).  But I see Asia as more likely because we are far more close to Australia (Asia) than Chile (South America).
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah, I'm probably going to agree with most of the criticisms of my idea cos it's pretty far-fetched, but if we are going to move, why not at least look at it.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
The top teams of South America would beat us senseless (more so than the top teams of Asia), but at least there would still be South American teams to trounce (aka Suriname, Guyana etc).  But I see Asia as more likely because we are far more close to Australia (Asia) than Chile (South America).


Nitpicking I know, but those two are in CONCACAF

CONMEBOL members:


I wouldn't mind seeing NZ in CONMEBOL. I highly doubt it would happen, but I'd prefer the football we'd get.
robbwatson2008-06-22 11:42:03
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The point I'm making is that if we are going to move, why must we just blindly follow Aussie without weighing up all the options.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think making Oceania a sub group of Asia is the best idea - so the Oceania champ goes through to play in against the last 5/6 in Asia for 4 spots at the WC

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
robbwatson wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
The top teams of South America would beat us senseless (more so than the top teams of Asia), but at least there would still be South American teams to trounce (aka Suriname, Guyana etc).  But I see Asia as more likely because we are far more close to Australia (Asia) than Chile (South America).


Nitpicking I know, but those two are in CONCACAF

CONMEBOL members:

I wouldn't mind seeing NZ in CONMEBOL. I highly doubt it would happen, but I'd prefer the football we'd get.


Oh cheers for that Robb.  Why on earth would they have those teams in CONCACAF?  I'll never understand it, oh well.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The reasons are both geo-political/cultural since the three countries in question, Suriname, Guyana and French Guiana, have closer links to the Caribbean rather than the rest of the South Americal continent (the reasons for this are a story for themselves).
The other reason is simply the low level of their footballing ability, which therefore does not interest the big boys of CONMEBOL.
Which is precisely why there is no hope in hell of NZ ever getting there: 1) we're too crap, 2) we're too far away, 3) we're too small. Absolutely no reason for CONMEBOL to consider this even as a joke. And this is putting all other considerations aside (FIFA permission, financial resourcing, etc).el grapadura2008-06-22 19:02:20
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm all for that NZ v Brazil My dreams come true. more often.

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
though I see it would be impossile logistically. Sadly :(

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Worth mooting the idea Jag. But I think goign to Asia is less about 'blindly following Aussie' and more about an appropriate geographical fit.
 
Although, I do realise that the likes of Lebanon are much further away than chile! I think the solution is to re-arrange Asia also into two:
 
Asia:
to include China,the Koreas, Japan, Mid-east, former east soviet states and the Sub-continent
 
SE Asia/ Pacific:
To include Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Aussie, Thailand, Indo-chinese nations, NZ + Islands etc. .. .
 
But of course, just a silly idea. Would be a mission to organise it and get past all the political nonsense.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
All the World Cup qualifying over the weekend got me thinking about this to.
 
I would much rather see the All Whites playing round robin against the Asian countries instead of Fiji, New Caledonia & Vanuatu, however, what about inclusion in the CONCACAF group?
 
Under current FIFA rankings NZ would be ranked 8th in CONCACAF - behind Mexico, USA, Honduras, Canada, Panama, Costa Rica, & Trinidad & Tobago. 
 
With 3.5 places available I believe this represents our best chance of qualification.
 
If seeded 8th we would have been required to win a home / away tie against a team like Bermuda(current FIFA ranking 139)! 
Win that and you qualify for round three - three round robin groups comprising of 4 teams. 
Our group could look something like,
Seed 1 - United States
Seed 2 - Panama
Seed 3 - NZ
Seed 4 - Cuba
 
Canada & Panama ranked 4= in CONCACAF are only ranked 28 places ahead of NZ - these would be winnable games.  It is conceivable that NZ could become the 4th best team in CONCACAF.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TBH.

AFC is too big with OFC geoographically wise, the better solution if such a merger happens, is to then have it split into three new confederations, with the Middles East having their own, the West Asians, and the SE Asia/Pacific. This would be a practical solution. Have the five WC places re-allocated. The top winner of each confederation goes through and then, the three runner-ups will play for the other two places.

However the Aussies may not want that because the stronger AFC countries are outside SE asia so it may be hard to improve as a team on ther world stage without really higher rated teams, but they more likely to get through as winners. It would be a better chance for us and a bit more stronger opponent to would actually match us in strength.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Black Plague wrote:
though I see it would be impossile logistically. Sadly :(
 
i agree. wi presume NZ football would have to pay megabucks to get the likes of Brazil and Argentina over here to play games, just think of the pro footballers in those countries pay packets! Yikes
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
FIFA pays for all that, not the country themselves.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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