All Whites in Asia - March/April 09
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All Whites in Asia - March/April 09
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The All Whites' match against Indonesia has been called off over security fears.
The Indonesian FA had concerns as the game coincided with elections.
Looking to replace fixture with another in SE Asia.
The Indonesian FA had concerns as the game coincided with elections.
Looking to replace fixture with another in SE Asia.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/1997382/All-Whites-match-with-Indonesia-called-off
Bet me by a matter of minutes.
Hopefully we'll succeed in getting a few more games.
Bet me by a matter of minutes.
Hopefully we'll succeed in getting a few more games.
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Who will be the replacement. Should we just jump on the plane to Qatar right now?
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Squad:
New Zealand Squad to Thailand, March 2009
Goalkeepers:
Mark
PASTON (Wellington Phoenix � 17/0)
Glen MOSS (Melbourne Victory �
9/0)
Defenders:
Kris
BOUCKENOOGHE (Club Roeselare � 38/3)
Andrew BOYENS (New York Red Bulls �
6/0)
Tony LOCHHEAD (Wellington Phoenix � 18/0)
David
MULLIGAN (Wellington Phoenix � 22/3)
Ryan
NELSEN (Blackburn Rovers � 36/7)
Aaron SCOTT
(Waitakere United � 0/0)
Midfielders:
Tim
BROWN (Wellington Phoenix � 17/0)
Jeremy CHRISTIE (Wellington Phoenix � 15/1)
Simon ELLIOTT (Unattached �
56/8)
Chris JAMES (Tampere United � 10/1)
Duncan OUGHTON
(Columbus Crew �
23/2)
Forwards:
Kris BRIGHT
(Panserraikas FC � 1/0)
Jeremy BROCKIE (North
Queensland Fury � 9/0)
Chris KILLEN (Norwich City � 27/15)
Shane SMELTZ (Gold Coast
United � 21/11)
Jarrod SMITH (Seattle Sounders FC �
13/0)
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Stuff article about Nelsen coming back for friendlies says Moss banned for 4 WC matches for dissent! Does this mean both qualifiers and 2 group stage matches (if we qualify)? Is this true?
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no Barron...You know we belong together...
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I think so, although we have an adequate replacement in Pasty, it'll definately weaken our bench a little.
You know we belong together...
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Any reason why Bertos was not selected?
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"So what�s the magic age when someone becomes unpickable again"
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"34"
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If 34 is too old, look at Maldini! must be touching 40 and still playing
Don't take it so seriously, that was a bit of poke at one of this forum's finest...
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No need to worry about goalkeeper, it's Paston all the way
I hadn't noticed that Mossy has picked himself up a 4, yes that's right 4!!!, match ban, only for competitive fixtures
So he will only be able to come back to play for us in our 3rd WC 2010 group match to decide 1st and 2nd in the group
Good luck Mark, you're our only hope
I hadn't noticed that Mossy has picked himself up a 4, yes that's right 4!!!, match ban, only for competitive fixtures
So he will only be able to come back to play for us in our 3rd WC 2010 group match to decide 1st and 2nd in the group
Good luck Mark, you're our only hope
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Any reason why Bertos was not selected?
He's undergoing surgery
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Gl
en MOSS (Melbourne Victory � 9/0)
Isnt he a Nix player till 31/3
en MOSS (Melbourne Victory � 9/0)
Isnt he a Nix player till 31/3A dog with a bone :)
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Great to see Aaron Scott picked from NZFC, has picked up a load of man of match performances recently so well rewarded
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Glen MOSS (Melbourne Victory � 9/0)
Isnt he a Nix player till 31/3
en MOSS (Melbourne Victory � 9/0)
Isnt he a Nix player till 31/3
Speaking of who, this seems to have flown under the radar...
Glen Moss is free to play in the South East Asian friendlies, despite being sent off in New Zealand�s last international against Fiji.
As that game was a World Cup qualifier, the lengthy four-match ban imposed by FIFA will apply to World Cup matches only, ruling him out of the Asia-Oceania playoff in October and November, and the first two matches of either the 2010 FIFA World Cup or New Zealand�s 2014 World Cup qualifying campaign.
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he must have done something outrageous for a 4 match ban
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competitive fixtures or WC fixtures. If competitive fixtures then confed cup counts. I hope so.
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Japan are available on April 1st. 
But if your looking for ASEAN opponents: Singapore and Vietnam are your best options.
Edgar2009-03-04 21:40:51
But if your looking for ASEAN opponents: Singapore and Vietnam are your best options.
Edgar2009-03-04 21:40:51
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I would think competetive - from memory, cards gathered in WC and related qualifying, and EURO and related qualifying, are counted together.
Don't see any reason why the same shouldn't apply to the Confed Cup, since it's a FIFA organised competition.
Don't see any reason why the same shouldn't apply to the Confed Cup, since it's a FIFA organised competition.
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Simon Elliot selected!!! Club unattached. When was the last time he played any football? I presume Ricky must know of him about to be attached to some club in the future, or why bother giving him time??
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
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Simon Elliot selected!!! Club unattached. When was the last time he played any football? I presume Ricky must know of him about to be attached to some club in the future, or why bother giving him time??
He's been playing with the MLS side San Jose in their pre-season.
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I hope they play SOuth Korea now..
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They have a WCQ against North Korea on April 1st.
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no Barron...
Lets be honest the guys picked are of a far better class then Andy. I just wish Ricky could talk Ivan out of retirement.
On the negitive side, I am quite worried about the fact that we are going to be with out Glen for the two biggest games NZ has had since late 81/early 82 (ie the playoffs).
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
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Glen MOSS (Melbourne Victory � 9/0)
Isnt he a Nix player till 31/3
en MOSS (Melbourne Victory � 9/0)
Isnt he a Nix player till 31/3
Definitely the biggest issue in the naming of that side, well spotted
Anyway, the red he got was for dissent and was disputed at the time. A four match international ban is HUGE, how utterly ridiculous by the OFC.
Although the first 11 is ok this looks like a weak side to me, wouldn't want to be taking that group of players to a World Cup Qualifier, or even worse a World Cup!
Stuff article says Simon has signed for San Jose, I think due to the timing of their season it hasn't been announced yet.
james dean2009-03-05 05:35:48Normo's coming home
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I hope you're right JD, but in this sport I reckon you take nothing for granted until its official. I think Simon's current status is "trialling" - that's what Fred W's article today in Dom says and that's what i read somewhere in local San Jose media previously (although I see this morning's Herald article has listed Simon as with San Jose). He has played all their pre-season, but according to the blogvine therecould be some issues re Columbus Crew still holding his MLS rights - and its a fickle business of course. So, hopefully, he can lock it down.
Marius Lacatus2009-03-05 09:07:30
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Ricki said yesterday that he had spoken to Frank Yallop and Simon signing for San Jose is all ticked off.
What did Moss say to get a four match world cup ban? That seems excessive.
What did Moss say to get a four match world cup ban? That seems excessive.
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Any reason why Bertos was not selected?
The reason why leo wasnt picked is because he has just had an operation on his groin last week or so, so ye I guess recovering from that??? Thats all I can think of. Umm reason for Costa not being pikd???
pavlos82009-03-05 10:26:27
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What did Moss say to get a four match world cup ban? That seems excessive.
I am fairly certain (or at least was until last night) that you can't ban players in international football simply on a competition basis - i.e. bans apply to all competetive fixtures a national team plays, there is no differentiation between World Cup/Continental Champs and related qualifying.
So surely then, Moss' ban should include the Confed Cup? Assuming we don't qualify from the group, then Moss would be suspended only for the first WC playoff?
Anyone who can clarify this?
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What did Moss say to get a four match world cup ban? That seems excessive.
I am fairly certain (or at least was until last night) that you can't ban players in international football simply on a competition basis - i.e. bans apply to all competetive fixtures a national team plays, there is no differentiation between World Cup/Continental Champs and related qualifying.
So surely then, Moss' ban should include the Confed Cup? Assuming we don't qualify from the group, then Moss would be suspended only for the first WC playoff?
Anyone who can clarify this?
Yeah, it had me scratching my head too EG, but it seems pretty black and white in the release that was sent. The first thing you think when you hear four-match ban is simply the next four matches, regardless of what they are (friendlies, Confeds Cup, WC or whatever). To me, that should be the next four matches, which will be the 1 or 2 friendlies coming soon and the 2 or 3 games of the Confeds Cup, leaving him free to play the WC qualifiers against 5th placed in Asia.
This is a HUGE blow. No Moss for the biggest games in many, many years.
But it also begs the question, why include Moss in this squad, and (as I assume they will) the Confeds Cup squad? Surely the main prize this year is those two WC games in Oct/Nov so why not get Spoonley (or whoever it'll be), into the environment as early as possible?
liverpoolfan12009-03-05 13:08:23
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That is ridiculous, a 4 match ban for telling the ref to Eff off when ZIdanes ban for head butting was only 3!! Lunacy
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/1999780/Ban-puts-Moss-out-of-World-Cup-contention
Glen Moss' World Cup dream is in tatters after football's governing body Fifa handed the All Whites goalkeeper a four-match ban for swearing at the referee in last November's international against Fiji.
Glen Moss' World Cup dream is in tatters after football's governing body Fifa handed the All Whites goalkeeper a four-match ban for swearing at the referee in last November's international against Fiji.
Moss was sent off in the match in Lautoka for allegedly telling the referee to "f... off" and Fifa has confirmed the lengthy ban.
French midfielder Zinedine Zidane was banned for three matches after headbutting Italy's Marco Materazzi in the 2006 World Cup final.
As the match against Fiji was a World Cup qualifier, the ban applies to Cup matches only, ruling him out of the Asia-Oceania playoff in October and November.
He would also miss the first two matches of either the 2010 World Cup, or New Zealand's 2014 World Cup qualifying campaign.
NZF unsuccessfully appealed the ban.
The former Wellington Phoenix and now Melbourne Victory goalkeeper could not be reached for comment yesterday.
All Whites coach Ricki Herbert said: "It's a hard one. We've been asked not to respond on it. He was going to miss these two games [friendlies in Asia later this month] and then some at the Confederations Cup, but now they've pinned it all on the World Cup.
"He would be very disappointed, I would assume.
"Mark [Paston] and Glen are very close but we're certainly going to miss the depth of experience with Glen."
Nonetheless, Herbert yesterday included Moss in an 18-man All Whites squad for two friendlies, against Thailand in Bangkok on March 28 and a second against unconfirmed opposition on April 1. He will also be one of three keepers going to the Confederations Cup in South Africa in June.
"Just because he can't play two games at the end of the year doesn't mean he can't play at the Confederations Cup," Herbert said.
Meanwhile, Blackburn Rovers skipper Ryan Nelsen regains the captaincy, with Phoenix vice-captain Tim Brown assuming the same role with the national team.
Also in in the squad are high-profile players Chris Killen, on loan to English Championship side Norwich City from Scottish giants Celtic, and Simon Elliott, who has been trialling in the United States with the San Jose Earthquakes.
Phoenix pair Ben Sigmund and Leo Bertos are the most notable absentees. Both recently had surgery to respective hip and leg injuries. Sigmund is almost certain to miss the Confederations Cup and Bertos is likely to face a 10-week recovery.
Belgium-based utility Christian Bouckenooghe makes his first travelling squad since March 2007, while uncapped Waitakere United fullback Aaron Scott is given a chance to impress.
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El G, Ricki also said yesterday that Moss is unavailable for the two world cup play off games and if we qualify for the first two group games or the first two games of the 2014 qualifiers if we don't.
So what lf1 said is correct.
So what lf1 said is correct.
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That is ridiculous, a 4 match ban for telling the ref to Eff off when ZIdanes ban for head butting was only 3!! Lunacy
If they're going to start banning players for abusing the ref then there needs to be some measure of consistency. How many times to we see Rooney telling a ref to politely make love to a chap named Off, and NOTHING gets done about it, not even a yellow card.
I'm all for improving player's attitudes towards refs but WTF it's madness to ban someone for 4 games when it happens every bloody weekend. Unless this is the start of it and all players from now on will be banned for the same thing.... Yeah right
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What did Moss say to get a four match world cup ban? That seems excessive.
I am fairly certain (or at least was until last night) that you can't ban players in international football simply on a competition basis - i.e. bans apply to all competetive fixtures a national team plays, there is no differentiation between World Cup/Continental Champs and related qualifying. So surely then, Moss' ban should include the Confed Cup? Assuming we don't qualify from the group, then Moss would be suspended only for the first WC playoff? Anyone who can clarify this?
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Yeah, it had me scratching my head too EG, but it seems pretty black and white in the release that was sent.� The first thing you think when you hear four-match ban is simply the next four matches, regardless of what they are (friendlies, Confeds Cup, WC or whatever).� To me, that should be the next four matches, which will be the 1 or 2 friendlies coming soon and the 2 or 3 games of the Confeds Cup, leaving him free to play the WC qualifiers against 5th placed in Asia.�
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This is a HUGE blow.� No Moss for the biggest games in many, many years.
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But it also begs the question, why include Moss in this squad, and (as I assume they will) the Confeds Cup squad?� Surely the main prize this year is those two WC games in Oct/Nov so why not get Spoonley (or whoever it'll be), into the environment as early as possible?
I think this answers it:
Article 38, FIFA Disciplinary Code 2009
As a general rule, every match suspension (of players and other persons)
is carried over from one round to the next in the same competition.
2. Match suspensions in relation to an expulsion pronounced on a player
outside of a competition (separate match[es]) or not served during
the competition for which they were intended (elimination or the last
match in the competition) are carried over as follows:
a) FIFA World Cup�: carried over to the representative team�s
subsequent official match;
b) competitions subject to an age limit: carried over to the representative
team�s next offi cial match in the same age group. Where the
suspension cannot be served in the same age group, it shall be
carried over to the next highest age category;
c) FIFA Confederations Cup: carried over to the representative team�s
next offi cial match;
d) FIFA Club World Cup: carried over to club competitions at
confederation level;
e) confederation competitions for representative teams: carried over
to the representative team�s next offi cial match in a competition
organised by FIFA;
f) competitions in which teams have been chosen in accordance
with certain criteria (cultural, geographical, historical etc.): if the
regulations of these competitions refer to the FIFA regulations
for disciplinary sanctions, the suspension is carried over to the
representative team�s next offi cial match;
g) friendly matches: carried over to the representative team�s next
friendly match.
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Yep, just found out the reasoning behind the way the ban works - Article 38 of FIFA Disciplinary Code 2009, Article 2. Posted in another thread.
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If somehow we did qualify for S.A. would Moss be selected? When he would probably only play one game.
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Anyone think this isn't the strongest NZ squad that could be picked?
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If somehow we did qualify for S.A. would Moss be selected? When he would probably only play one game.
I think he would. They'd take three 'keepers - he'd have to be one of them and would be in contention for game three I'd imagine.
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Anyone goin to the bankok game?? tickets?? prices?? away fans area??
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