All Whites vs Myanmar | Thuwanna Stadium, Yangon | 11.30pm | Mon 7 September

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reubee wrote:

For all those sticking the knife into Hudson, wasn't he the coach for the U-23 Olympic team?  Before they were booted out there record in Papua New Guinea was played 4, won 4, 10 goals for, 0 against.  When it mattered, he was delivering what was required.

Maybe not particularly fair but it's hard for any coach to gain a lot of credit in the islands given generally we always win and should always win

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bwtcf wrote:

Nice interview with Hudson coming back to NZ

http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/video-hudson-defiant-...

Q: You're going to pick the strongest squad from now on?
A: Absolutely yeh

A whole heap of excuses in that interview.

You watch Ernie after the Nix lose and he'll talk about the formation/tactics that he was trying, how he tried to adjust it at half time, what subs he brought on and why, and where we lost it on the pitch. Hudson gets asked what went wrong and he makes some excuses about the conditions and a "lack of cutting edge". Please.

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hlmphil wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

Nice interview with Hudson coming back to NZ

http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/video-hudson-defiant-...

Q: You're going to pick the strongest squad from now on?
A: Absolutely yeh

A whole heap of excuses in that interview.

You watch Ernie after the Nix lose and he'll talk about the formation/tactics that he was trying, how he tried to adjust it at half time, what subs he brought on and why, and where we lost it on the pitch. Hudson gets asked what went wrong and he makes some excuses about the conditions and a "lack of cutting edge". Please.

There's nothing to indicate what he was trying to do which is worrying

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Hudson was interviewed by Glenn Larmer on his radio show this morning. Hudson was much more humble  and reserved,  not sounding off like the  "flash harry" he was when he first arrived.

He focussed on highlighting problems but not much talk about solutions.

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hlmphil wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

Nice interview with Hudson coming back to NZ

http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/video-hudson-defiant-...

Q: You're going to pick the strongest squad from now on?
A: Absolutely yeh

A whole heap of excuses in that interview.

You watch Ernie after the Nix lose and he'll talk about the formation/tactics that he was trying, how he tried to adjust it at half time, what subs he brought on and why, and where we lost it on the pitch. Hudson gets asked what went wrong and he makes some excuses about the conditions and a "lack of cutting edge". Please.

Reminds me of Mehmet Durakovic at the Victory. 

"Just need to put it in the back of the net"

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reubee wrote:

For all those sticking the knife into Hudson, wasn't he the coach for the U-23 Olympic team?  Before they were booted out there record in Papua New Guinea was played 4, won 4, 10 goals for, 0 against.  When it mattered, he was delivering what was required.

with ineligible players. What would the other teams record be if they had ineligible players. Whether it would made a difference or not to our performance is irrelevant because if it was the same for the opposition, it may have made a difference
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whatever wrote:

Hudson was interviewed by Glenn Larmer on his radio show this morning. Hudson was much more humble  and reserved,  not sounding off like the  "flash harry" he was when he first arrived.

He focussed on highlighting problems but not much talk about solutions.

Linky?
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hlmphil wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

Nice interview with Hudson coming back to NZ

http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/video-hudson-defiant-...

Q: You're going to pick the strongest squad from now on?
A: Absolutely yeh

A whole heap of excuses in that interview.

You watch Ernie after the Nix lose and he'll talk about the formation/tactics that he was trying, how he tried to adjust it at half time, what subs he brought on and why, and where we lost it on the pitch. Hudson gets asked what went wrong and he makes some excuses about the conditions and a "lack of cutting edge". Please.

What does that have to do with anything? Have to look at Mourinho, one of the best managers in the world, and the crap he comes up with after a poor result or performance and you'll hopefully you'll realise that how someone conducts themselves in media interviews doesn't really affect what they are doing to rectify those results/performances 
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Kyle1502 wrote:

hlmphil wrote:

bwtcf wrote:

Nice interview with Hudson coming back to NZ

http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/video-hudson-defiant-...

Q: You're going to pick the strongest squad from now on?
A: Absolutely yeh

A whole heap of excuses in that interview.

You watch Ernie after the Nix lose and he'll talk about the formation/tactics that he was trying, how he tried to adjust it at half time, what subs he brought on and why, and where we lost it on the pitch. Hudson gets asked what went wrong and he makes some excuses about the conditions and a "lack of cutting edge". Please.

What does that have to do with anything? Have to look at Mourinho, one of the best managers in the world, and the crap he comes up with after a poor result or performance and you'll hopefully you'll realise that how someone conducts themselves in media interviews doesn't really affect what they are doing to rectify those results/performances 

Difference is that Mourinho doesn't go 2 years without a win. If Hudson was producing on the pitch, I wouldn't care what he was saying off it really. But when the players seem totally clueless on the pitch, and then the coach doesn't offer any clues off the pitch about what went wrong then I think that it is totally valid to start asking some questions.

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hlmphil wrote:

Difference is that Mourinho doesn't go 2 years without a win. If Hudson was producing on the pitch, I wouldn't care what he was saying off it really. But when the players seem totally clueless on the pitch, and then the coach doesn't offer any clues off the pitch about what went wrong then I think that it is totally valid to start asking some questions.

Another difference is that he manages more than 5 games in 2 years. I can see your point though, but personally I don't really read much into media interviews 
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Looking at nomeans list I came up with this team based on the idea of having your best 11 players on the park.



There’s a few issues I see in this squad;

1 – The glaring hole in midfield depth.
I have Themi out of position as backup to Tuiloma & Riera at DM and I wanted to play 1 DM and 2 CM’s but just couldn’t come up with anyone to fill the role alongside McGlinchey. My other option was to drop Thomas into CM with Kosta coming on at wing and dropping one of the DM’s to the bench.


2 – It relies on a couple of players with questionable eligibility (marked (?)) to be available for selection.
In Roux’s case it’s no biggie, bring in Doyle. But with Riera this excentuates that lack of midfield depth. I’m basing this on the idea that Riera will be elegable from December, but I am by no means certain that he will be, and based on current evidence have very little faith that NZF will sort it properly. At least we have a few friendlies where we can do what we did with Dura (play him and get the opposition to challenge)

3 – We have an abundance of forwards.
There is a whole front three who didn’t even make the bench who I would consider picking (Appiah, Brockie, Boyd). Obviously they aren’t my top three, but they wouldn’t be completely out of depth at international level. At least we have some depth somewhere on the pitch

4 – Thank Fudge Ricki found Smith and Reid

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I thought it was TV3 that found Reid?

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Mtaylor wrote:

1 – The glaring hole in midfield depth.
I have Themi out of position as backup to Tuiloma & Riera at DM and I wanted to play 1 DM and 2 CM’s but just couldn’t come up with anyone to fill the role alongside McGlinchey. My other option was to drop Thomas into CM with Kosta coming on at wing and dropping one of the DM’s to the bench.


another option would be to have Rojas central along with WeeMac (two no10s sort of thing) and have Barbarouses on the wing 
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Jeff Vader wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Sack Ricki! No, bring back Ricki!

The bottom line is, we don't have enough good players at this level to be a consistently competitive unit. And we don't have enough money to bring in expensive overseas coaches and overhaul the domestic set-up. In other words, it's a long haul type exercise, with no easy-fix answers.

I don't quite agree with what you are putting across here. I think we do have sufficiently good players to compete at this level. Our difference in interpretation probably comes down to what each of us think this level is or where we should be competing. From what I see, we have the players that can make a decent fist of playing in an international team that is ranked around the 100 mark, anything too much higher than that and I think you are right.  

I don't disagree with you, if anything I see us around 80-90.

If we play to our absolute best, we could be 60s on a spike. I think 85-95 is about right but the rankings are fluctuating anyway

I;m not to fussed about the rankings, as we play so few games, and our competitive games are worth comparatively few points.  Where we should be is a team that can comfortably compete with the upper mid tier Asian sides, (i.e. anyone not Japan, South Korea and Aussie), and teams around that area of ability.  At this stage I just don't think we are anywhere near that.

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haha what a joke no Idea of football wat so eva...... keep talking im enjoying the Bull KAKA

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spencer wrote:

haha what a joke no Idea of football wat so eva...... keep talking im enjoying the Bull KAKA

Ah yes, the boy who stands on the outside of the fight egging others on because he is too chickenshark to get involved right on cue.

I was wondering when you would show up....

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aitkenmike wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Sack Ricki! No, bring back Ricki!

The bottom line is, we don't have enough good players at this level to be a consistently competitive unit. And we don't have enough money to bring in expensive overseas coaches and overhaul the domestic set-up. In other words, it's a long haul type exercise, with no easy-fix answers.

I don't quite agree with what you are putting across here. I think we do have sufficiently good players to compete at this level. Our difference in interpretation probably comes down to what each of us think this level is or where we should be competing. From what I see, we have the players that can make a decent fist of playing in an international team that is ranked around the 100 mark, anything too much higher than that and I think you are right.  

I don't disagree with you, if anything I see us around 80-90.

If we play to our absolute best, we could be 60s on a spike. I think 85-95 is about right but the rankings are fluctuating anyway

I;m not to fussed about the rankings, as we play so few games, and our competitive games are worth comparatively few points.  Where we should be is a team that can comfortably compete with the upper mid tier Asian sides, (i.e. anyone not Japan, South Korea and Aussie), and teams around that area of ability.  At this stage I just don't think we are anywhere near that.

Yes you are right. I am not so fussed about rankings either but where we are ranked, is not a true indicator of where we could be (or maybe it is right now)

I think to be competitive with that next band of AFC teams is a good yardstick  to aim for and like you, I agree we are not there. The problem is that I can't see us getting there any time soon which is more concerning.

Someone else said that results mean nothing and media interviews mean nothing. Thats quite true. So then what does count? I would say that progress in the playing style or signs that we are developing into a unit that can play a certain way counts. At the moment, there is no progress and you can actually argue regression from the Mexico game in Wellington and Emblens 2 games in charge. Thats more concerning cause there are better players out there that are not being picked which could have made a difference AND would be around for Russia.

Realistically, Hudson now has to pick his best team going forward. He has said he will but even if its just lip service, I think Fred said that it would raise alarm bells. He needs to show the fruit of his wares and get those players into a system or he will get the axe.

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Mtaylor wrote:

2 – It relies on a couple of players with questionable eligibility (marked (?)) to be available for selection.

In Roux’s case it’s no biggie, bring in Doyle. But with Riera this excentuates that lack of midfield depth. I’m basing this on the idea that Riera will be elegable from December, but I am by no means certain that he will be, and based on current evidence have very little faith that NZF will sort it properly. At least we have a few friendlies where we can do what we did with Dura (play him and get the opposition to challenge)

Don't think that works in a friendly. With Dura we had to wait until a meaningless qualification game to test it. But anyway, Riera hasn't sat on the bench for another international team like Dura so it shouldn't be an issue so long as NZF sends through the right paperwork....

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spencer wrote:

haha what a joke no Idea of football wat so eva...... keep talking im enjoying the Bull KAKA

Nice of you to pop in Anthony, but don't you have an U17 team to be aligning before their World Cup or something?
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Jeff Vader wrote:

reubee wrote:

For all those sticking the knife into Hudson, wasn't he the coach for the U-23 Olympic team?  Before they were booted out there record in Papua New Guinea was played 4, won 4, 10 goals for, 0 against.  When it mattered, he was delivering what was required.

with ineligible players. What would the other teams record be if they had ineligible players. Whether it would made a difference or not to our performance is irrelevant because if it was the same for the opposition, it may have made a difference

a bit harsh JV, I think the consensus here is that each of the players in dispuite would have been granted clearance if NZF had actually officially requested it.
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Jeff Vader wrote:

reubee wrote:

For all those sticking the knife into Hudson, wasn't he the coach for the U-23 Olympic team?  Before they were booted out there record in Papua New Guinea was played 4, won 4, 10 goals for, 0 against.  When it mattered, he was delivering what was required.

with ineligible players. What would the other teams record be if they had ineligible players. Whether it would made a difference or not to our performance is irrelevant because if it was the same for the opposition, it may have made a difference

a bit harsh JV, I think the consensus here is that each of the players in dispuite would have been granted clearance if NZF had actually officially requested it.

Of that I have no doubt but how does an U23 tournament substantiate what he does with a different team? If I coach an U17s team to be undefeated, then surely I could handle and ASBP team right?
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whatever wrote:

Hudson was interviewed by Glenn Larmer on his radio show this morning. Hudson was much more humble  and reserved,  not sounding off like the  "flash harry" he was when he first arrived.

He focussed on highlighting problems but not much talk about solutions.

Yeah, that is more of a problem. I would give him a benefit of doubt for an arrival hall interview - what did you expect from a 60 sec soundbite chat when he steps straight out of Customs?  But he should have been better prepared for the radio interview. While the attitude and tone were correct, he did sound a bit lost at sea. 

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Mtaylor wrote:

2 – It relies on a couple of players with questionable eligibility (marked (?)) to be available for selection.
In Roux’s case it’s no biggie, bring in Doyle. But with Riera this excentuates that lack of midfield depth. I’m basing this on the idea that Riera will be elegable from December, but I am by no means certain that he will be, and based on current evidence have very little faith that NZF will sort it properly. At least we have a few friendlies where we can do what we did with Dura (play him and get the opposition to challenge)

So long as he's been here for 5 years then he'll be eligible. No need for any challenge.

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A name I completely forgot about is Jason Hicks. Where's he at these days? Surprised he hasn't been in the All Whites, surely better than some of those kids.

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Luis Garcia wrote:

A name I completely forgot about is Jason Hicks. Where's he at these days? Surprised he hasn't been in the All Whites, surely better than some of those kids.

Jason Hicks just isn't very good

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Luis Garcia wrote:

A name I completely forgot about is Jason Hicks. Where's he at these days? Surprised he hasn't been in the All Whites, surely better than some of those kids.

He is slightly better than the amateur players that played but seriously, come on, he was an imposter at the Phoenix, shouldn't be anywhere near international football.

Can't help but look at Iceland that has a population of like 400,000 and are doing incredibly well now, I know it helps they are in Europe but so are San Marino and they are terrible! NZF should take a look at smaller nations who are punching and see what they are doing well to see what can be implied in NZ. Hudson, the man with zero credentials at international level entrusted with a team who is desperate to get back to 2010 levels!

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Jason hicks is great - underused my merrick. Rather he than hudson wihongi or dyer
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The option everybody has looked past is dropping Tuiloma back to LB as under Emblen. I would love to see:

                                 Marinkovic / moss

  Roux               Smith               Reid              Tuiloma

                                     Themi

                 Weemac             James (Riera?) 

      Rojas                                                  Thomas


                               Wood


Edited for obvious math problem 

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TV wrote:
Jason hicks is great - underused my merrick.

Rather he than hudson wihongi or dyer

He was tried before (by Emblen? London Olympic trials?) and found wanting.

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TV wrote:
Jason hicks is great - underused my merrick.

Rather he than hudson wihongi or dyer

Hicks had his moments, wasn't starting material but was close, good squad player. Also had a hell of a free kick on him.

Is he playing anywhere?

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Hicks got better and often looked to create something when he came on. Just a little light weight.

Clayton Lewis though now has 3 - 4 caps, and lets be honest, Hicks sharks on him!

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The option everybody has looked past is dropping Tuiloma back to LB as under Emblen. I would love to see:

                                 Marinkovic / moss

  Roux               Smith               Reid              Tuiloma

                                     Themi

                 Weemac             James (Riera?) 

      Rojas                                                  Thomas


                               Wood


Edited for obvious math problem 

Is Roux not ineligible? and Tuiloma to RB, he is right footed after all

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The option everybody has looked past is dropping Tuiloma back to LB as under Emblen. I would love to see:

                                 Marinkovic / moss

  Roux               Smith               Reid              Tuiloma

                                     Themi

                 Weemac             James (Riera?) 

      Rojas                                                  Thomas


                               Wood


Edited for obvious math problem 

James is barely a footballer, let alone an international footballer.

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Yet every time he plays for the All Whites he's one of our best players. 

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Luis Garcia wrote:

Yet every time he plays for the All Whites he's one of our best players. 

He's only as good as his last game and he was bloody good
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The option everybody has looked past is dropping Tuiloma back to LB as under Emblen. I would love to see:

                                 Marinkovic / moss

  Roux               Smith               Reid              Tuiloma

                                     Themi

                 Weemac             James (Riera?) 

      Rojas                                                  Thomas


                               Wood


Edited for obvious math problem 



I always thought Tuiloma was better at LB but hes proven himself as an okay DM which is an position NZ has always lacked quality players (except for Vicelich) I would like to see 
            Moss

Boxall Reid Smith Roux

     Riera Tuiloma

       Weemac

Rojas  Thomas

      Wood

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Barbarouses

Boyd

Smeltz

Marinkovic

Fenton

Tzimopoulos

I think Themi has been great so far.

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nomeans wrote:

I think Themi has been great so far.

So you wouldn't start him then... Over Boxall? Odd.
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TV wrote:
Jason hicks is great - underused my merrick.

Rather he than hudson wihongi or dyer

I just don't buy that.  He is very one footed and has no long passing game (and believe me I have watched him closely).  He's got no physical presence and he's not got a lot of pace.  He is very good technically but there is a reason his career hasn't gone anywhere

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james dean wrote:

TV wrote:
Jason hicks is great - underused my merrick.

Rather he than hudson wihongi or dyer

I just don't buy that.  He is very one footed and has no long passing game (and believe me I have watched him closely).  He's got no physical presence and he's not got a lot of pace.  He is very good technically but there is a reason his career hasn't gone anywhere

Yeah Hicks lacked the physical presence but he is much much better then the young kids we have in there like Dyer

All Whites vs Myanmar | Thuwanna Stadium, Yangon | 11.30pm | Mon 7 September

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