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All Whites' Dead End Road To Russia 2018

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almost 9 years ago

chopah wrote:

sorry if I missed this - what are the potential dates of the play off game in Wellington?

It's in the November window which is the 6th - 14th

Oceania get the 1st leg

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almost 9 years ago

I believe it's Saturday the 11th. Though haven't seen any confirmation

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almost 9 years ago

thanks guys

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almost 9 years ago

PNG win in Tahiti 2-1...very even group, PNG and Solomons to play out the last two fixtures...I guess PNG back as slight favourites again...that default win that Tahiti had over Solomons (3-0) could mean a lot especially in regards to goal difference 

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Tahiti has to be out now, Solomon Islands with all to play for or PNG.

Mr Positive

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almost 9 years ago

When do we play the final against the other Oceania side? 

Normo's coming home

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almost 9 years ago

The late August / early Sept window.

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almost 9 years ago

So Tahiti finish on 6 points after their four games. PNG and Solomon's play each other home and away 9th and 13th June both on 3 points so it really is anyone's to take the group though you would have to think Tahiti missed their chance with that lost yesterday. 

Pos Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Tahiti 4 2 0 2 7 4 +3 6
2 Papua New Guinea 2 1 0 1 3 4 -1 3
3 Solomon Islands 2 1 0 1 1 3 -2 3
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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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almost 9 years ago

Interesting that PNG won despite not picking any Hekari player. I'm assuming because of the touted rebel league being organised by their owner. 

Wonder if it signals a changing of the guard some what. A decade ago it was Fiji and Solomon Islands giving us the most trouble (i'm blocking Vanuatu out of my mind). Then it was Tahiti and New Caledonia. And now perhaps PNG given their Nation Cup performance too. 

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RR wrote:

james dean wrote:

When do we play the final against the other Oceania side? 

The top team in each group advances to a two-legged final – to be played between August 28 and September 5, 2017 

http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/next-steps-to-russia-laid-out/

Ok and we don't know which game will be at home or the venue yet right?

Normo's coming home

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almost 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Interesting that PNG won despite not picking any Hekari player. I'm assuming because of the touted rebel league being organised by their owner. 

Wonder if it signals a changing of the guard some what. A decade ago it was Fiji and Solomon Islands giving us the most trouble (i'm blocking Vanuatu out of my mind). Then it was Tahiti and New Caledonia. And now perhaps PNG given their Nation Cup performance too. 

Well if you think about it, is the most logical thing to see PNG being the best of the Islands teams, considering they have by far the biggest population in the OFC. Even if football isn't their most popular sport, this is something that would have eventually happened whatsoever

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almost 9 years ago

Argie96 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Interesting that PNG won despite not picking any Hekari player. I'm assuming because of the touted rebel league being organised by their owner. 

Wonder if it signals a changing of the guard some what. A decade ago it was Fiji and Solomon Islands giving us the most trouble (i'm blocking Vanuatu out of my mind). Then it was Tahiti and New Caledonia. And now perhaps PNG given their Nation Cup performance too. 

Well if you think about it, is the most logical thing to see PNG being the best of the Islands teams, considering they have by far the biggest population in the OFC. Even if football isn't their most popular sport, this is something that would have eventually happened whatsoever

The PNG reps in the O League round played recently at Centre Park Mangere, Lae City Dwellers, finished 3rd out of 4. ACFC were 1st, Western Utd of the Solomons were 2nd, and the Vanuatu team, Malampa Revivor, came last. I saw most games and the Solomons team were the only outfit that gave City any problems. The PNG team weren't anything like as good as the Hekari team of a few years ago.

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almost 9 years ago

Argie96 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Interesting that PNG won despite not picking any Hekari player. I'm assuming because of the touted rebel league being organised by their owner. 

Wonder if it signals a changing of the guard some what. A decade ago it was Fiji and Solomon Islands giving us the most trouble (i'm blocking Vanuatu out of my mind). Then it was Tahiti and New Caledonia. And now perhaps PNG given their Nation Cup performance too. 

Well if you think about it, is the most logical thing to see PNG being the best of the Islands teams, considering they have by far the biggest population in the OFC. Even if football isn't their most popular sport, this is something that would have eventually happened whatsoever

The link between population and football team success is pretty tenous. In PNG's case their level of economic development and infrastructure is terrible and the population mostly lives in traditional communities. It's like a different world.

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almost 9 years ago

Argie96 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Interesting that PNG won despite not picking any Hekari player. I'm assuming because of the touted rebel league being organised by their owner. 

Wonder if it signals a changing of the guard some what. A decade ago it was Fiji and Solomon Islands giving us the most trouble (i'm blocking Vanuatu out of my mind). Then it was Tahiti and New Caledonia. And now perhaps PNG given their Nation Cup performance too. 

Well if you think about it, is the most logical thing to see PNG being the best of the Islands teams, considering they have by far the biggest population in the OFC. Even if football isn't their most popular sport, this is something that would have eventually happened whatsoever

The link between population and football team success is pretty tenous. In PNG's case their level of economic development and infrastructure is terrible and the population mostly lives in traditional communities. It's like a different world.

Infrastructure is terrible in every Island nation. I'm not saying that just because of the pop they should be better but how many chances do you have of finding a decent footballer from 250k people (NC)? PNG might be undeveloped but they still got 7 millon to pick from

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almost 9 years ago

Argie96 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Interesting that PNG won despite not picking any Hekari player. I'm assuming because of the touted rebel league being organised by their owner. 

Wonder if it signals a changing of the guard some what. A decade ago it was Fiji and Solomon Islands giving us the most trouble (i'm blocking Vanuatu out of my mind). Then it was Tahiti and New Caledonia. And now perhaps PNG given their Nation Cup performance too. 

Well if you think about it, is the most logical thing to see PNG being the best of the Islands teams, considering they have by far the biggest population in the OFC. Even if football isn't their most popular sport, this is something that would have eventually happened whatsoever

Under that logic China and India should be fighting it in the World Cup final in the future

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Argie96 wrote:

Argie96 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Interesting that PNG won despite not picking any Hekari player. I'm assuming because of the touted rebel league being organised by their owner. 

Wonder if it signals a changing of the guard some what. A decade ago it was Fiji and Solomon Islands giving us the most trouble (i'm blocking Vanuatu out of my mind). Then it was Tahiti and New Caledonia. And now perhaps PNG given their Nation Cup performance too. 

Well if you think about it, is the most logical thing to see PNG being the best of the Islands teams, considering they have by far the biggest population in the OFC. Even if football isn't their most popular sport, this is something that would have eventually happened whatsoever

The link between population and football team success is pretty tenous. In PNG's case their level of economic development and infrastructure is terrible and the population mostly lives in traditional communities. It's like a different world.

Infrastructure is terrible in every Island nation. I'm not saying that just because of the pop they should be better but how many chances do you have of finding a decent footballer from 250k people (NC)? PNG might be undeveloped but they still got 7 millon to pick from

Yeah but by that logic China and India should be smashing Uruguay and Holland at football (just saw the same comment above). Infrastructure is terrible all over the islands but in PNG the issue is much worse because of the land area and terrain. In the Solomons for instance you can get around by boat but PNG is a big, mountainous, jungle covered chunk of land and it's a lot harder to get from village to village or for people from remote areas (which is 80% of the population) to get into cities. New Caledonia has a better GDP per capita than NZ and football is the main sport so comparison with PNG, where rugby league dominates, on the basis of population alone is misleading. How many of PNG's 7 million people have ever played football at a serious level? How many have been coached by trained, experienced coaches from a young age? How many have worn proper football boots and played on level flat grass? How many have ever watched a top level game on TV?

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Argie96 wrote:

Argie96 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Interesting that PNG won despite not picking any Hekari player. I'm assuming because of the touted rebel league being organised by their owner. 

Wonder if it signals a changing of the guard some what. A decade ago it was Fiji and Solomon Islands giving us the most trouble (i'm blocking Vanuatu out of my mind). Then it was Tahiti and New Caledonia. And now perhaps PNG given their Nation Cup performance too. 

Well if you think about it, is the most logical thing to see PNG being the best of the Islands teams, considering they have by far the biggest population in the OFC. Even if football isn't their most popular sport, this is something that would have eventually happened whatsoever

The link between population and football team success is pretty tenous. In PNG's case their level of economic development and infrastructure is terrible and the population mostly lives in traditional communities. It's like a different world.

Infrastructure is terrible in every Island nation. I'm not saying that just because of the pop they should be better but how many chances do you have of finding a decent footballer from 250k people (NC)? PNG might be undeveloped but they still got 7 millon to pick from

The French colonies have pretty good infrastructure and reasonable standards of living, one of them definitely have the ability to pull an Iceland.

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almost 9 years ago

that's a Massive call. Haven't been to New Caledonia and must admit I was shocked by the comment above that their GDP per capita per person is higher then NZ's (need to check that one), but have been to Tahiti and it isn't flash there

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almost 9 years ago

Kawasaki wrote:

that's a Massive call. Haven't been to New Caledonia and must admit I was shocked by the comment above that their GDP per capita per person is higher then NZ's (need to check that one), but have been to Tahiti and it isn't flash there

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Caledonia

The figures are from 2011 so NZ  may be ahead now. French Polynesia, which Tahiti is part of, has about half the GDP per capita of New Caledonia. PNG's figure is about a tenth of NC's. I haven't been to Tahiti or NC but I have been to PNG and it's rough. Really rough.

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almost 9 years ago

Yak

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So Tahiti finish on 6 points after their four games. PNG and Solomon's play each other home and away 9th and 13th June both on 3 points so it really is anyone's to take the group though you would have to think Tahiti missed their chance with that lost yesterday. 

PosTeamPldWDLGFGAGDPts1Tahiti420274+362Papua New Guinea210134-133Solomon Islands210113-23

think they will all end up w2 L2 so Tahiti on gd?
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almost 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Argie96 wrote:

Argie96 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Interesting that PNG won despite not picking any Hekari player. I'm assuming because of the touted rebel league being organised by their owner. 

Wonder if it signals a changing of the guard some what. A decade ago it was Fiji and Solomon Islands giving us the most trouble (i'm blocking Vanuatu out of my mind). Then it was Tahiti and New Caledonia. And now perhaps PNG given their Nation Cup performance too. 

Well if you think about it, is the most logical thing to see PNG being the best of the Islands teams, considering they have by far the biggest population in the OFC. Even if football isn't their most popular sport, this is something that would have eventually happened whatsoever

The link between population and football team success is pretty tenous. In PNG's case their level of economic development and infrastructure is terrible and the population mostly lives in traditional communities. It's like a different world.

Infrastructure is terrible in every Island nation. I'm not saying that just because of the pop they should be better but how many chances do you have of finding a decent footballer from 250k people (NC)? PNG might be undeveloped but they still got 7 millon to pick from

The French colonies have pretty good infrastructure and reasonable standards of living, one of them definitely have the ability to pull an Iceland.

Didn't work out like that for Tahiti last time. I think you could be right a long way into the future, but not just yet.

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almost 9 years ago

If we don't qualify for the world cup were gonna need to organise a lot friendly's

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almost 9 years ago

xxx wrote:

If we don't qualify for the world cup were gonna need to organise a lot friendly's

If we don't qualify we will most probably end up playing just 3 or 4 friendlies against Asian oppostion

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Long wait until next South American World Cup qualifiers 31 August (September 1 NZT)

So tight for the three remaining automatic qualifying spots (Brazil already through) and the fifth-place play-off'

Current contenders for 5th place play-off spot:

Colombia: 24 pts

Uruguay: 23

Chile: 23

Argentina: 22    (Fifth place)

Ecuador: 20

Peru: 18

Paraguay: 18       

Argentina have won only one of seven games without Messi in this qualifying campaign. 

Have won five out of six with him.

Ecuador seem in freefall, having won only two of their last ten qualifiers after a great start in the early rounds

Chile just seem to have been improving in their last two games.

With Messi banned from competitive internationals until the last game of qualifying, it seems more likely that he will play in Argentina's friendly against Brazil at the MCG in Melbourne on June 9 and the match against Singapore on June 13. .

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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I have been recoridng information from the All Whites right from the begining of there WCQ campaign. This shows all of All Whites results, fixtures and squads selected by Hudson.

All Whites: Road to Russia 2018

Fixtures: All Whites warm-up games for OFC Nations Cup

Wednesday, May 18: v Western Pride 8PM (Ipswich)
9' Patterson free-kick (1-0)
57' Tuiloma shot from edge of area (2-0)
Full time: (2-0)

Sunday, May 22: v Redlands United 8PM (Brisbane)
45' Wood shot (1-0)
Full time: (2-0)

Tuesday, May 24: v Brisbane City 8.45PM (Brisbane)
Game cancelled

Fixtures: All whites games of the 2016 OFC NATIONS CUP 2016
2016 OFC Nations fixtures (Group B)

Squad:

All Whites squad:
Forwards: Kosta Barbarouses, Rory Fallon, Monty Patterson, Logan Rogerson, Marco Rojas, Shane Smeltz (Injury), Chris Wood (c).
Midfielders: Te Atawhai Hudson-Wihongi, Moses Dyer, Clayton Lewis, Michael McGlinchey, Matt Ridenton, Bill Tuiloma, Themi Tzimopolous.
Defenders: Luke Adams, Michael Boxall, Sam Brotherton, Kip Colvey, Tom Doyle, Louis Fenton.
Goalkeepers: Max Crocombe, Stefan Marinovic, Tamati Williams.

Saturday, May 28: v Fiji 6PM
'17 Tzimopoulos (1-0)
'42 Fallon (2-0)
'47 Krishna (2-1)
'59 Wood Penalty (3-1)
Full Time (3-1)

Tuesday, May 31: v Vanuatu 6PM
'4 Wood (1-0)
'5 Wood (2-0)
'9 McGlinchey (3-0)
'19 Fallon (4-0)
'45 Barbarouses
Full Time: (4-0)

Saturday, June 4: v Solomon Islands 9PM
'80 Adams (1-0)
Full Time: (1-0)

Wednesday, June 8: Semi-final v New Caledonia 6PM
'48 Wood (1-0)
Full Time (1-0)

Saturday, June 11: Final v Papa New Guinea

(0-0) Full time

Penalties
Rory fallon Penalty scored
Michael McGlinchey Penalty Scored
Jeremy Brockie Penalty Missed
Marco Rojas Penalty Scored

Upaiga - Marinovic Save
Semmy - Penalty Scored
Foster - Penalty Scored
Gunemba - Marinovic
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All Whites qualify for the Russia 2017 July confederations cup

Fixtures: All Whites third round qualifying

Squad:
Goalkeepers
Stefan Marinovic (SpVgg Unterhaching, Germany) 10, 0
Tamati Williams (RKC Waalwijk, Netherlands) 1, 0
Glen Moss (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 29, 0

Defenders
Andrew Durante (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 11, 0
Bill Tuiloma (Marseille, France) 13, 0
Louis Fenton (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 7, 0
Thomas Doyle (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 3, 0 *Replacement
Michael Boxall (SuperSport Utd, South Africa) 19, 0
Kip Colvey (San Jose Earthquakes FC, USA) 6, 0
Themi Tzimopoulos (PAS Giannina FC, Greece) 8, 1
Deklan Wynne (Vancouver Whitecaps FC, Canada) 4, 0
Liam Graham (Chesterfield FC, England) 2, 0
Luke Adams (Eastern Suburbs AFC, New Zealand) 5,1 *Replacement

Midfielders
Clayton Lewis (Auckland City FC, New Zealand) 5, 0
Michael McGlinchey (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 40, 4
Te Atawhai Hudson-Wihongi (Auckland City FC, New Zealand) 3, 0
Moses Dyer (Eastern Suburbs AFC, New Zealand) 6, 0
Ryan Thomas (PEC Zwolle, Netherlands) 5, 0
Henry Cameron (Blackpool FC, England) 2, 0

Forwards
Kosta Barbarouses (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 35, 3
Chris Wood (Leeds Utd, England) 44, 18
Monty Patterson (Ipswich Town FC, England) 7, 1
Marco Rojas (Melbourne Victory FC, Australia) 28, 2
Rory Fallon (Truro City FC, England) 24, 6 *No Replacement

Saturday, November 12: v New Caledonia 3PM (G1)
'42 Rojas (1-0)
'72 Rojas (2-0)
Full Time: 2-0

Tuesday, November 15: v New Caledonia (G2)
Full Time: 0-0

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Squad:
Goalkeepers
Stefan Marinovic (SpVgg Unterhaching, Germany) 12, 0
Tamati Williams (RKC Waalwijk, Netherlands) 1, 0
Glen Moss (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 29, 0

Defenders
Andrew Durante (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 13, 0
Thomas Doyle (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 3, 0
Michael Boxall (SuperSport Utd, South Africa) 20, 0
Kip Colvey (San Jose Earthquakes FC, USA) 7, 0
Themi Tzimopoulos (PAS Giannina FC, Greece) 9, 1
Deklan Wynne (Vancouver Whitecaps FC, Canada) 6, 0
Winston Reid © (West Ham United, England) 21, 1 *Replacement
Sam Brotherton (Sunderland AFC, England) 7, 0
Tommy Smith (Ipswich Town FC, England) 29, 2
Dane Ingham (Brisbane Roar FC, Australia) 0, 0 **Debut
Alex Rufer (Wellington Phoenix FC, New Zealand) 2,0 *Replacement

Midfielders
Bill Tuiloma (Marseille, France) 15, 0
Clayton Lewis (Auckland City FC, New Zealand) 6, 0
Michael McGlinchey (Wellington Phoenix, New Zealand) 40, 4
Moses Dyer (Eastern Suburbs AFC, New Zealand) 8, 0
Ryan Thomas (PEC Zwolle, Netherlands) 7, 0

Forwards
Chris Wood (Leeds Utd, England) 46, 18
Monty Patterson (Ipswich Town FC, England) 9, 1 *No replacement
Marco Rojas (Melbourne Victory FC, Australia) 30, 4
Shane Smeltz (Wellington Phoenix FC, New Zealand) 51, 24
Jai Ingham (Melbourne Victory FC, Australia 0, 0 **Debut


Saturday, March 25: v Fiji 2PM (G3)
'48 Wood
'55 Rojas
Full Time: 2-0

Tuesday, March 28: v Fiji 7.35PM (G4)
'27 Thomas
'68 Thomas
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2017 Russia Confedirations Cup Pre friendlies

Saturday, June 3: v Northen Ireland 6.45AM
Closed game against an Irish team
Tuesday, June 13: v Belarus
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2017 Russia Confedirations Cup

Sunday, June 18: v Russia 18:00 UTC + 3
Thursday, June 22: v Mexico 21:00 UTC + 3
Sunday, June 25: v Portugal 18:00 UTC + 3

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almost 9 years ago

good job! just one thing missing, Moses Dyer scores one of the penalties vs Papua

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almost 9 years ago

Roux, Kosta, Patterson, Reid and maybe Gleeson

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almost 9 years ago

So Lewis, Dyer and possibly Adams the only ones in the frame out of a pro-environment?

And rumours of Lewis getting a contract soon?



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almost 9 years ago

martinb wrote:

So Lewis, Dyer and possibly Adams the only ones in the frame out of a pro-environment?

And rumours of Lewis getting a contract soon?

Took Hudson's remarks about Lewis to be more hopeful reinforcement. If he can't land something off the back of the U20 WC and the CC though...

But yup, those are the only three ammos - and Adams would only be in the mix if one of the six blokes ahead of him got broked

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almost 9 years ago

inafoxhole wrote:

martinb wrote:

So Lewis, Dyer and possibly Adams the only ones in the frame out of a pro-environment?

And rumours of Lewis getting a contract soon?

Took Hudson's remarks about Lewis to be more hopeful reinforcement. If he can't land something off the back of the U20 WC and the CC though...

But yup, those are the only three ammos - and Adams would only be in the mix if one of the six blokes ahead of him got broked

Or married

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almost 9 years ago

Sigurðsson wrote:

All Whites believe push for professionalism paying off in pursuit of world cup dream.

Article states that there will be 26-27 players in contention, in our latest call up there was 22, who will be the 4-5 extra?

That article is a good effort from Clay Wilson in the Sunday Star-Times with comments from both Durante and Hudson.

You get the sense from Durante that the players are happy with the way Hudson does things.

Also, a continuation of the "Ricki had lost the plot by 2013" theme which you also get from Ben Sigmund's autobiography:

 "Durante...said there was a "huge difference" in the level of professionalism between his 2013 debut and today."

Durante's just being polite and diplomatic there.

Hudson says there's only 48 days till the AW's go away - that means they're going into camp to prepare for the Confeds Cup about May 23 or so, with the first friendly against Northern Ireland on June 2.

I'm really looking forward to the next few months with the u-20 World Cup in South Korea next month too. 

Another Clay Wilson interview with Hudson from last week where Hudson talks about the Barbarouses / Roux situation and his selection plans for the early June friendlies and the Confeds Cup:

 http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/913...

"All Whites coach Anthony Hudson says Kosta Barbarouses and Storm Roux remain firmly in contention to make his squad for the Confederations Cup in June...."

Seems that with Kosta he wasn't selected on form but Hudson has been impressed by his recent showings.

With Roux, opting out of last year's North American tour when he was fit counted against him but "If his performances are strong between now and the end of the season he is right in there with a chance."

"Hudson reckoned there were "one or two spots at most" up for grabs in his top 11 and admitted the two wing-back spots were an area he was yet to be totally convinced as to his best options.

Whoever ended up winning those roles in the full-strength starting side, expect them to feature heavily at the Confederations Cup and in the All Whites two international friendlies against Northern Ireland and Belarus in the lead-up to the tournament.

"It will be a full-strength team in the first game against Northern Ireland and against Belarus, but the second game (against an Irish club side) I'll probably use to give players some minutes," Hudson said.

"Other than that, we won't be chopping and changing. Believe it or not, it's not what I believe in to rotate the squad all the time. It's just the context I'm working in.

"With this team there is so much travel and extra sacrifice the players make, it's really important we rotate and balance the squad and I give them something back where I can, but never at expense of getting a result."

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Roux, Kosta, Patterson, Reid and maybe Gleeson

Dose that mean Dane Ingham will be called up?
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almost 9 years ago

Argentina Sack coach

Considering All Whites go through to the playoffs, Argentina have just sacked their coach.

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almost 9 years ago

Sigurðsson wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Roux, Kosta, Patterson, Reid and maybe Gleeson

Dose that mean Dane Ingham will be called up?

Would imagine Dane's the one at risk if they decide to give Roux the call up he deserves. Could get a reprieve at Sam Brotherton's expense, maybe, 5 CBs + Bill should be enough cover. Feel Hudson is done with Roux, despite his statements to the contrary.

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