They manage to fill stadia for AB matches (most of which I agree as kinda "meaningless") at $80+ ticket prices.
I don't even know why I said that and what it has to do with this fixture but I guess it is notable that the national game (which to be fair it probably is) can command such prices
At the end of the day $80 would have paled in significance compared to how much I spend in total but it still would have been a barrier to buying my tickets and flights 2 months out from the game risking it being a completely "dead" tie.
ALL WHITES V BAHRAIN - Official 2nd Leg T
I've always thought that ticket prices are generally a bit of a red herring. For example I doubt that the phoenix would double their crowds if they halved prices. It's more about value for money* and I think that there were a lot of people who really wanted to go to this match - cost wasn't the motivating factor. The key thing is that is resonated outside just sport fans - mums and people who just like events were also into it.
* this may be different for families
james dean2009-11-17 01:24:15
Part of the problem with All Black games is that they are essentially meaningless.� This was a huge match because it mattered, people were willing to part with cash (including flgihts, accomodation, merhandise) because they wanted to be part of something.� Another test against an understrength Northern Hemisphere side, or tri-nations game, is fairly tedious.� This game mattered and people realised that, I think you could have sold it out at higher prices (but setting the prices at the level they did was a very smart move - early ticket sales started the momentum around the match).
Hmmm... possibly.
I'm no fan of rugby but it's a bit harsh to say the games are meaningless. I think the frequency of the games and the same opponents does over time devalue the product, but I'd imagine that getting one over a traditional rival always has meaning.
Lynch me for not being too swept up in the national euphoria but I personally was not going to shell out much more for my family to this match given the investment I've made in the nix this season.
Now there will be hard core fans that would pay more and lots of out of towners made significant sacrifices to get to the game so yes the price could have been higher. However another question could be if we had lost 0-3 in the first leg would there have been a sell-out crowd at any price? (again for the record we got our tickets before the 1st leg)
No,at higher price,had we lost the first leg,we would not have sold out. I think thats why they set the prices lower,to get the initial (pre 1st leg) sales rolling. If we had of lost 1-0 for example,the lower price wouldve enticed more to come. 0-0 really was the perfect result,as it opened the 2nd leg tie up completely.
For example I doubt that the phoenix would double their crowds if they halved prices.� It's more about value for money* .
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* this may be different for families
JD - I do believe I'm having a mild argument with you!!
The Nix season pass for a family is VERY good value for money this season (# of home games and kick-off times). That is why we got one (and then subsequently went somewhat overboard in stripeys and other merchandise)
I do agree however that further price reductions wouldn't see a proportional increase in crowd numbers.
What about if they had had "early bird pricing" at $39 (ie. the price they actually charged) until Manama.
Then they could either keep the price at $39 if we didn't so do well, or ramp it up to $80 if we had done very well (eg. 2-0)?
LOL really just kidding but they could have still sold out the Stadium with that strategy
And as an aside, which I refer to the Stadium as a proper noun, since when have Auckland papers regarded the Cake Tin as a proper noun???
Then they could either keep the price at $39 if we didn't so do well, or ramp it up to $80 if we had done very well (eg. 2-0)?
LOL really just kidding but they could have still sold out the Stadium with that strategy
And as an aside, which I refer to the Stadium as a proper noun, since when have Auckland papers regarded the Cake Tin as a proper noun???
Ring of Fire is also a proper noun! 
Junior 82 you may be right, a lot of the marketing for the event was about it's affordability so maybe it was a contributing factor...I just think by the time they got the momentum going there were a lot of people who would have paid a lot more than 39 bucks
Anyway I hope that if any friendlies are scheduled the prices remain reasonableas a reward to the fans for helping to get the team there
Oh! Is this the end of our argument ? (maybe it was just the 5 pound one)
I'm really looking forward to any friendly that comes to Wgtn but it will be price dependent so yes I'd be looking at similar prices which I think are very reasonable and affordable.
Of course this might be offset by the late season surge by the nix to secure home play offs and final (that would be a nice dilemma for my disposable income - club or country?).
I'm really looking forward to any friendly that comes to Wgtn but it will be price dependent so yes I'd be looking at similar prices which I think are very reasonable and affordable.
Of course this might be offset by the late season surge by the nix to secure home play offs and final (that would be a nice dilemma for my disposable income - club or country?).
Junior,i think JD was arguing from a more overall point of view,not just from a single family. I didnt really see an argument until you said you were having a mild one 
Point taken re overall view - apologies if my view is family-centric.
Still getting over a rather emotional weekend (as we all are) so maybe I see arguments/disagreements where there aren't ('Hoy, did you just call my pint a qweor?").
Time to do a zebedee...
Still getting over a rather emotional weekend (as we all are) so maybe I see arguments/disagreements where there aren't ('Hoy, did you just call my pint a qweor?").
Time to do a zebedee...
If i could ask Ricki one question it would be,
"Whose idea was it to play 343?"
Anyone here know?
11 was enough
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sanday2009-11-17 07:17:10
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la la la
we're going to the world cup
I've been wearing my all whites shirt since Saturday, should probably wash it soon
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i wonder how many days in a row i can wear my all whites shirt 
If i could ask Ricki one question it would be,
"Whose idea was it to play 443?"
Anyone here know?
343
though a 443 would be helpful 
If i could ask Ricki one question it would be,
"Whose idea was it to play 443?"
Anyone here know?
343
though a 443 would be helpful
Oops
. Yes 343.
. Yes 343.
Junior 82 you may be right, a lot of the marketing for the event was about it's affordability so maybe it was a contributing factor...I just think by the time they got the momentum going there were a lot of people who would have paid a lot more than 39 bucks
Anyway I hope that if any friendlies are scheduled the prices remain reasonableas a reward to the fans for helping to get the team there
yea saw ricki saying he wanted a friendly in wellington as a big thankyou to all the fans
cant wait
Downey262009-11-17 07:17:11
To maybe answer my own question about 343.
From the interview with Raul Blanco from 442:
Okay, talk us through this 3-4-3 formation. It worked very well particularly with the defensive pressure put on by the strikers...
I went to see Bahrain versus Saudi Arabia in the AFC third placed play-off and I reported to Ricki what I thought. He and I both came to the conclusion that was the best way to play. I was all the way with him on the 3-4-3. And if I wasn't I would've told him, but in the end he's the boss and he has the final word. Yes, we took a bit of a risk as we'd been playing a 4-4-2 for quite a while but he changed direction and we thought it was the best way to play against Bahrain. After the first leg we felt nothing should change in a big way. Knowing it was a home game we knew we had to be more aggressive and go for it and that's what we did. He went for it and he should be applauded.
So maybe Blanco sowed the seed in Ricki's mind?
Ring of Fire is also a proper noun!
It's the proper noun
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1228071/EXCLUSIVE-Rory-Fallon--How-I-World-Cup-history-New-Zealand.html 
Heard on Radio Sport Ben Sigmund, wants a Facebook Page like Mark Pastons, Paston already up to 1000 fans apparently
Yeah, but 15,000 people in the RoF on Saturday (that's 42%, numbers fans) came from outside Welly, like me. So maybe two friendlies at the RoF and one at North Harbour? Pretty please?
Oh, and I would have never paid $80 for the game, not being a hard-core fan. $60, maaaaaybe. But then you'd have to pay me to go to a rugby game.
Oh, and I would have never paid $80 for the game, not being a hard-core fan. $60, maaaaaybe. But then you'd have to pay me to go to a rugby game.
Yeah, but 15,000 people in the RoF on Saturday (that's 42%, numbers fans) came from outside Welly, like me. So maybe two friendlies at the RoF and one at North Harbour? Pretty please?
Oh, and I would have never paid $80 for the game, not being a hard-core fan. $60, maaaaaybe. But then you'd have to pay me to go to a rugby game.
Oh, and I would have never paid $80 for the game, not being a hard-core fan. $60, maaaaaybe. But then you'd have to pay me to go to a rugby game.
Sounds good to me.
would love hamilton to get a game and sell out
better than that would be rotorua international stadium!!
Downey262009-11-17 12:21:01
Yeah 1 at North Harbour would be great.
Yeah 1 at North Harbour would be great.
^^ That. It would be good to see a high quality football match that doesn't involve travelling across half the country. There were a lot of Aucklanders who travelled down for the game.
Yeah 1 at North Harbour would be great.
^^ That. It would be good to see a high quality football match that doesn't involve travelling across half the country. There were a lot of Aucklanders who travelled down for the game.
yep, and weren't you glad such an important game was at the home of football- where town is a ten/fifteen minute walk away and the council knows how to run an event
ouch-sorry, my bad
yes- it'd be good to see games around the country- including Rotovegas
- but THIS game needed to be played here- no question
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I'm originally from Scotland so know more than most about the exuberant joy of qualification and ridiculously over amped expectations regarding arrival at the biggest sporting event on the planet
I'm originally from Scotland so know more than most about the exuberant joy of qualification and ridiculously over amped expectations regarding arrival at the biggest sporting event on the planet
Premature Jock Elation, aye?
We'll be comin ,we'll be comin!!
fellas there is ONE international window. Hence one game if we're lucky.
Yeah 1 at North Harbour would be great.
^^ That. It would be good to see a high quality football match that doesn't involve travelling across half the country. There were a lot of Aucklanders who travelled down for the game.
yep, and weren't you glad such an important game was at the home of football- where town is a ten/fifteen minute walk away and the council knows how to run an event
ouch-sorry, my bad
yes- it'd be good to see games around the country- including Rotovegas
- but THIS game needed to be played here- no questionOf course.
Mind you. I, personally, deserve some acknowledgement of the fact that I went to the Knights, Kingz (although I was well young) and when the All Whites played up here too. I watch Waitakere when they're home. I watched the Under-17 games when they were here (both boys and girls).And proudly didn't go to the Beckham game!
So there is one or two warm up matches in feb/march???
But there is still four or five friendly's in May??
But there is still four or five friendly's in May??
So there is one or two warm up matches in feb/march???But there is still four or five friendly's in May??
From what I've read over the past few days, One international window before the lead up to the cup. Hence we could have that game at home, the rest will be pre world cup friendlys in May.
The warm-up game v Australia/ China should be at "Glory" headquarters aka ROF !! end of story.
"White is the new Black"" kiwiMalaysia422009-11-17 18:09:10
"White is the new Black"" kiwiMalaysia422009-11-17 18:09:10
Tbh the next friendly should go to Christchurch (I live in Wellington). Auckland should be the last place to get a game.
would love hamilton to get a game and sell out
better than that would be rotorua international stadium!!
No, no it wouldn't.
I'd say priority would be Wellington, the Christchurch, then Auckland, then Hamilton or Dunedin and then well who knows.
Forget Dunedin probably.
I know it's Tuesday and not Monday but not a lot of people I have spoken to at work even watched the game. They are probably more likely to have watched ABs vs. Italy than the AWs I reckon.
As much as I'd love to see a game here (last football game I saw was Burkino Faso on Carisbrook in 1999 U-17).
ahmad2009-11-17 19:52:11
I know it's Tuesday and not Monday but not a lot of people I have spoken to at work even watched the game. They are probably more likely to have watched ABs vs. Italy than the AWs I reckon.
As much as I'd love to see a game here (last football game I saw was Burkino Faso on Carisbrook in 1999 U-17).
ahmad2009-11-17 19:52:11
Does England play home games anywhere other than Wembley?
Well, I now cannot wait to win the World Cup on Stickfootball as New Zealand when they do the new Cup !
Joesph Romanos (who doesn't usually get too OTT about things) gets my hopes up
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tigers2009-11-17 21:11:50
But, longer term, it's possible football's rise will be inexorable. While rugby struggles to retain viewing and spectator numbers, and wrestles with its rules and competition formats, football's numbers are increasing dramatically. Many major secondary schools are dropping a rugby team a year and gaining a football team. Such a trend must have its impact at the top level.
All New Zealand football has lacked is a shop window, heroes for the youngsters.
That situation was fixed in Wellington on Saturday evening.<<