All Whites v Socceroos Match Thread
McGlinchey and Elliott are quite similar - Brown really complemented Elliott. It's unfortunate that we lost a player in a position where we have the least depth.
Brown would be a huge loss. Midfield is our weakest area. Weemac is a good player but plays in a totally different way to Brown. You need grunt in a DM someone to run all day, break up opposition attacks, win back the ball, rough them up in defense, win turnover ball for Elliot to distribute. Weemac is more of a gliding/passing type midfielder who is more suited to a more forward or slightly wider role.
I know lots of people don't value Brown but he does heaps of the work in midfield that often goes unnoticed. There is no obvious replacement in the team to do that job.
Who are people nominating? Mulligan? converting Reid to a DM?.....give me a break!!!
Pray that Brownie does not need surgery. Hopefully they can manage it conservatively and he can be available for the first WC game. at least with a shoulder injury he can still train a bit and keep his fitness levels up.
Was a shame not to see Leo and Tim play the full game as Leo being our only out and out winger, we lost that aspect of our game and Tim does all the unattractive yards in midfield and more - we all know he has a drive get forward and score. He will be a huge loss, and I feel sorry for him if he misses out on his dream.
without Brown we are f**ked. I feel so much for him, if he is indeed going to miss out on WC. He's the most consistant player both at the Nix and AW's. He runs himself into the ground every week and has scored heaps last season. Elliott is more classy but you saw yesterday that he can't take the full 90' at that level.
Timmy I feel for you mate. You deserved to go. Tough break big guy. Tough break indeed
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Oh come on, how can you not rate Timbo? he's the heart and soul of our team.
No flair, no tricks, just plain hard work!
Oh come on, how can you not rate Timbo? he's the heart and soul of our team.
No flair, no tricks, just plain hard work!
I think youll find the non-raters feel that way due to your first two reasons.
I would strongly disagree, he was quality
Sorry but no, not offside at all
I would strongly disagree, he was quality
Are you talking about Tim? If so, I think his first shot at goal set the tempo of the first half.
Why did Boyens come on for Bertos? I know it was a wingback role Bertos was initially playing but I thought Herbert may have put on another attack minded player such as Brockie, or even another midfield for that matter. Boyens played poorly but to be fair he was played well out of position. He looked lost further up field. Unsurprisingly like a centre back.By subbing on Boyens I thought we took the foot off the throat a bit, as Boyens would naturally sit deeper and offer less in attack, allowing Australia to play higher up and string some passes through the midfield.
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Reid looks lost until he slotted in the right centre back later on.
Everyone is a bit harsh on Boyens otherwise, maybe the memory of being the swing and a miss on the back foot against world class opponents at the confederation cup was still there. He is not a right back specialist, if he was, then he would have picked up the Socceroo who scored the 2nd goal and not wait to cover in the centre. He's not that blunder of a blunder. Maybe Jeremy Christie could have done the job at that position?
It's good to know not to place them in those positions and maybe we have to go for a 4-3-3 instead of a 3-4-3 when faced with the same problem.AllWhitebelievr2010-05-25 16:07:21
Bring Oughton FTW. I at least think Ricki couldve delayed his decision on the squad and gave a few of the stand by players a chance. But now Duncan is a definite contender for me. Hopefull Ricki feels the same.
Sorry no I meant Reid. My bad.
newzealandpower for "worst rave about how this team relies on one player only, numpty of the year award ".
With Brown gone we miss a lot.
I'd have him over Elliott any day, although i believe Elliott is the better ball player, he simply cant make Browns workrate.
A huge huge loss if he is out!!
newzealandpower� for "worst rave about how this team relies on one player only, numpty of the year award ".
the team doesn't rely on one player only. but Brown is a KEY player in the team. And I know for sure that worldwide there are much better player in the midfield, but I'm looking at our tiny little Nation.
Who is going to replace him? Barron? McGlinchey could do the job but that's not really his position.
Elliot is another awesome NZ player but way too slow now.
AW's: Need more Brown!
newzealandpower� for "worst rave about how this team relies on one player only, numpty of the year award ".
the team doesn't rely on one player only. but Brown is a KEY player in the team. And I know for sure that worldwide there are much better player in the midfield, but I'm looking at our tiny little Nation.
Who is going to replace him? Barron? McGlinchey could do the job but that's not really his position.
Elliot is another awesome NZ player but way too slow now.
AW's: Need more Brown!
Agreed he is very important.
Honestly, who would you least like to lose for the WC?
Arguably Nelsen (best player), Paston (Moss already suspended)....I'd suggest Brown would be third in line.
Who is going to replace him? Oughton!
AW's: Need more Oughton!
Awnsered.
Observations for me -
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1) Our fortunes are directly linked to how much time Simon Elliot spends on the ball. First half he was all over it and we dominated them. Went off the boil at the start of the 2nd (maybe adjusting to not having Browny there) and we looked poor. Got back on it in patches. He is absolutely vital to how we play.
I think the problem for our midfield last night in the second half was partly related to the amount of long ball we played forward. We would be back in defence with our midfield helping there and then as soon as we won the ball we were sending it forward to the front 3 who were holding as high a line as they could. This in turn meant that when the front three recieved the ball the midfield were having to cover too much ground to get to support positions fast enough. I hope we vary our play a bit more so we dont end up with that problem. Even though Fallon, Woods, killen and Smeltz are big lads they can actually play a bit with the ball at their feet. We dont just need to make use of their height but should also make use of their footwork.
Re DUncan Oughton - he is not in the NZ list of 30, so he will not be in the list of 23. Very simple. See attached link
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/20/86/87/provisional1305.pdf
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/20/86/87/provisional1305.pdf
Serious answer is serious.
Re DUncan Oughton - he is not in the NZ list of 30, so he will not be in the list of 23. Very simple. See attached link
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/20/86/87/provisional1305.pdf
did you read that document, on the front page it says
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/20/86/87/provisional1305.pdf
"replacement players are not limited to the release list of up to 30 players"
meaning if tim did need replacing then oughton could be used
Serious answer is not so serious.
Re DUncan Oughton - he is not in the NZ list of 30, so he will not be in the list of 23. Very simple. See attached link http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/20/86/87/provisional1305.pdf
did you read that document, on the front page it says
"replacement players are not limited to the release list of up to 30 players"
meaning if tim did need replacing then oughton could be used
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FIFA required a list of 30 players from all 32 countries prior to 11 May - we gave them such a list. Unlike every other country at the World Cup, we initially released a list of 23 then a list of 7 - FIFA "announced" a list of 30 for every country on 11 May as per their regs.
FIFA will "announce" a list of 23 for every country on 1 June, and the document states very clearly that the list of 23 must come from the list of 30.
After that date, injured players could be replaced by players from outside the 30.
So, in order to include a player from outside the 30 at this point, Ricki would have to include Tim in the 1 June list of 23 just so that he could then name a player not included in his list of 30 after 1 June. If he has to replace Tim, then surely he would want to have that player included in the squad from the earliest date, which means putting him in the list of 23 for 1 June.
Besides, by excluding Duncan from the 30 Ricki was clearly saying that he doesn't rate him. Why would he change his mind now?
Serious answer may have been serious.
Whateva. Who gives a sh*t. The first half was where this game was at.
Before the two red cards and our two injuries to our attacking midfield players who were shutting them out of the game...
wait...
Ver Beek is lying if he says he didn't make this a tactic. The ref should have penalised them as their actions deserved...and I kinda wished we'd seen some retaliation. FFS Oar was allowed to take a cheap shot at RYAN NELSEN. He shouldn't even be allowed on the same pitch.
Edit: though we should be proud they didn't. And should have finished the job and continued to play them off the pitch
martinb2010-05-25 18:56:41
Observations for me -
1) Our fortunes are directly linked to how much time Simon Elliot spends on the ball. First half he was all over it and we dominated them. Went off the boil at the start of the 2nd (maybe adjusting to not having Browny there) and we looked poor. Got back on it in patches. He is absolutely vital to how we play.
Really very proud of the guys last night, showed we wont be pushovers in Africa although did it also show how inflated Australias ranking is! ASked before the game, when was the last time Australia played a non-Asian team? They certainly didn't handle our style last night.
All in all really proud of the guys
I think it shows our ranking could be higher. Smeltz is majorly out of form. Had a poor end to his season at Gold Coast. He can play much better than he has so far...
Brown off was a major loss and Elliot had to do a looot more defence and just got tired. McG and Elliot wasn't a combo. Without Brown and Bertos we lost shape and let Aussie play a bit...
FFS Oar was allowed to take a cheap shot at RYAN NELSEN. He shouldn't even be allowed on the same pitch.
Tommy Oar what a joke.
I'm not over this yet.
Anyone else think Tommy Smith was impressive?!
Anyone else think Tommy Smith was impressive?!
More impressive than Reid, definitely - Winston has talent to burn, but Tommy seems to have a cooler head on his shoulders.
I think both Tommy and Winston were solid.
I wont be as scared now if we lose lochhead, coz smith seems capable of controlling that left side
Smith >>>> Lochhead. Also Reid was thrown into bertos position so he looked outa place. Thought he showed touches of class but then did something silly with it.. Also remember he's just off a flight from LA on friday night. Jetlag anyone?
Also Winston has only just met all the players, but seemed to fit in very nicely.
Also Winston has only just met all the players, but seemed to fit in very nicely.
yep, bit concerned we lost all shape when brown and bertos came off though.
I think both Tommy and Winston were solid.
Agreed.
I think both Tommy and Winston were solid.
Agreed.
It feels rather strange that an All Whites side has reasonable depth in both attack and defence. But judging on the performance of those two last night it has to be said that we do. Midfield still a bit light though.
Midfield is exceptionally light, which is the whole reason we have to play this ridiculous formation.
And unfortunately it just got a lot lighter. 
Replay on tonight on Prime.