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Posted September 02, 2017 22:41 · last edited September 03, 2017 01:05

ConanTroutman wrote:

coochiee wrote:

Doloras wrote:

ConanTroutman wrote:

I wish some of our other stars were as committed to playing for their country.

Is it that perhaps Winston Reid and Tommy Smith have the same issue that Ryan Nelsen had for so many years - i.e. CBF dealing with the current coach?

Oops fat iPhone fingers. Didn't mean to endorse. Reid and Smith are both somewhat made of glass (esp Reid) and injury prone. I think they get on okay with Hudson. Smith undoubtedly had issues with professionalism of Herbert regime and NZF.

Let's face it they are really both 'imported Kiwis', born here but raised elsewhere. Neither are likely to live in NZ once their carers are finished. Wood has much stronger ties to NZ, and much better attitude to playing for AWs, whilst the other two will always have any 'injury' non availability questioned based on past form.

Reid lived in NZ until he was 13, so it's hardly a foreign country to him. Nelsen used to skip games all the time too.

Yeah but Reid's mum took him to Denmark, and I presume still lives there with his step dad. So I figure he may say Denmark was 'home' if you pushed him.

Sure Nelsen was raised in NZ but has an American wife, and I doubt will ever return to NZ. I think these issues play a part when shaping a players commitment to flying 20 hrs 'home'. Not excuses, but just reasons why these players are/were less committed to the white shirt. Also to cut Reid, Smith and Nelsen some slack they are/were more injury prone as they aged.

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Unknown editor edited September 03, 2017 01:05
ConanTroutman wrote:
coochiee wrote:
Doloras wrote:
ConanTroutman wrote:

I wish some of our other stars were as committed to playing for their country.

Is it that perhaps Winston Reid and Tommy Smith have the same issue that Ryan Nelsen had for so many years - i.e. CBF dealing with the current coach?

Oops fat iPhone fingers. Didn't mean to endorse. Reid and Smith are both somewhat made of glass (esp Reid) and injury prone. I think they get on okay with Hudson. Smith undoubtedly had issues with professionalism of Herbert regime and NZF.

Let's face it they are really both 'imported Kiwis', born here but raised elsewhere. Neither are likely to live in NZ once their carers are finished. Wood has much stronger ties to NZ, and much better attitude to playing for AWs, whilst the other two will always have any 'injury' non availability questioned based on past form.

Reid lived in NZ until he was 13, so it's hardly a foreign country to him. Nelsen used to skip games all the time too.

Yeah but Reid's mum took him to Denmark, and I presume still lives there with his step dad. So I figure he may say Denmark was 'home' if you pushed him.

Sure Nelsen was raised in NZ but has an American wife, and I doubt will ever return to NZ. I think these issues play a part when shaping a players commitment to flying 20 hrs 'home'. Not excuses, but just reasons why these players were less committed to the white shirt. Also to cut Reid, Smith and Nelsen some slack they are/were more injury prone as they aged.

Unknown editor edited September 02, 2017 22:44
ConanTroutman wrote:
coochiee wrote:
Doloras wrote:
ConanTroutman wrote:

I wish some of our other stars were as committed to playing for their country.

Is it that perhaps Winston Reid and Tommy Smith have the same issue that Ryan Nelsen had for so many years - i.e. CBF dealing with the current coach?

Oops fat iPhone fingers. Didn't mean to endorse. Reid and Smith are both somewhat made of glass (esp Reid) and injury prone. I think they get on okay with Hudson. Smith undoubtedly had issues with professionalism of Herbert regime and NZF.

Let's face it they are really both 'imported Kiwis', born here but raised elsewhere. Neither are likely to live in NZ once their carers are finished. Wood has much stronger ties to NZ, and much better attitude to playing for AWs, whilst the other two will always have any 'injury' non availability questioned based on past form.

Reid lived in NZ until he was 13, so it's hardly a foreign country to him. Nelsen used to skip games all the time too.

Yeah but Reid's mum took him to Denmark, and I presume still lives there with his step dad. So I figure he may say Denmark was 'home' if you pushed him.

Sure Nelsen was raised in NZ but has an American wife, and I doubt will ever return to NZ. I think these issues play a part when shaping a players commitment to flying 20 hrs 'home'. Not excuses, but just reasons why these players were less committed to white shirt. Also to cut Reid, Smith and Nelsen some slack they are/were more injury prone as they aged.

Unknown editor edited September 02, 2017 22:43
ConanTroutman wrote:
coochiee wrote:
Doloras wrote:
ConanTroutman wrote:

I wish some of our other stars were as committed to playing for their country.

Is it that perhaps Winston Reid and Tommy Smith have the same issue that Ryan Nelsen had for so many years - i.e. CBF dealing with the current coach?

Oops fat iPhone fingers. Didn't mean to endorse. Reid and Smith are both somewhat made of glass (esp Reid) and injury prone. I think they get on okay with Hudson. Smith undoubtedly had issues with professionalism of Herbert regime and NZF.

Let's face it they are really both 'imported Kiwis', born here but raised elsewhere. Neither are likely to live in NZ once their carers are finished. Wood has much stronger ties to NZ, and much better attitude to playing for AWs, whilst the other two will always have any 'injury' non availability questioned based on past form.

Reid lived in NZ until he was 13, so it's hardly a foreign country to him. Nelsen used to skip games all the time too.

Yeah but Reid's mum took him to Denmark, and I presume still lives there with his step dad. So I figure he may say Denmark was 'home' if you pushed him.

Sure Nelsen was raised in NZ but has an American wife, and I doubt will ever return to NZ. I think these issues play a part when shaping a players commitment to flying 20 hrs 'home'. Not excuses, but just reasons why these players were less committed to white shirt. Also to cut Reid, Smith and Nelsen some slack they are/were also more injury prone as they aged.