In the past lots of people from the UK got coaching council jobs because it was assumed that they knew more about football governance than the locals.
I personally think there is a pattern there, simply on the basis that it takes one already in city council HR to employ those who follow.
In the past lots of people from the UK got coaching council jobs because it was assumed that they knew more about football governance than the locals.
I personally think there is a pattern there, simply on the basis that it takes one already in city council HR to employ those who follow.
Alf has a valid point. Not all of the ex-pats are bad, but the myth around them was highlighted by good old Alan Yates being on Family Feud the other week and saying "I played for Liverpool", which he then qualified by saying "I mean the 3rd team". But that's how so many of these people get embedded in our football by impressing us with the fact they went to primary school with someone who was Robbie Fowler's teacher's sister. Much the same as just because they're Brazilian or Spanish doesn't automatically make them good at football - all it takes to impress us is an accent and telling us how much they love NZ.
Ultimately though 1 thing is clear - Andy Martin is way out of his depth
I agree with your sentiment but I think this just is not true:
"So we are having expats hired to do jobs because their resume as well as having footballing experience also has tertiary qualifications. There are very few native NZers who have tertiary qualifications as well as being football people."
Two points. Firstly, you don't need to be a "football person" so be a successful football administrator. Secondly, there are loads and loads of people in the game who are extremely well qualified. I still think that our strategy from the board down is wrong and we have had conservative and weak leadership over a long period. I still do not know what the longer term strategy for the game is in NZ, and I am not sure if we even have one
If you have a clue, you will do well. Being a football person is not an indicator or success or failure.
Indeed. Don't judge it on our previous non-footballing CEOs. They failed because they were shark not because they didn't football.
In the past lots of people from the UK got coaching council jobs because it was assumed that they knew more about football governance than the locals.
I personally think there is a pattern there, simply on the basis that it takes one already in city council HR to employ those who follow.
Alf has a valid point. Not all of the ex-pats are bad, but the myth around them was highlighted by good old Alan Yates being on Family Feud the other week and saying "I played for Liverpool", which he then qualified by saying "I mean the 3rd team". But that's how so many of these people get embedded in our football by impressing us with the fact they went to primary school with someone who was Robbie Fowler's teacher's sister. Much the same as just because they're Brazilian or Spanish doesn't automatically make them good at football - all it takes to impress us is an accent and telling us how much they love NZ.
Ultimately though 1 thing is clear - Andy Martin is way out of his depth
This is so right. Had to laugh at my old mate Alan though. I met a guy that lived in Mt Albert and had just arrived from the UK and he said that he had played for Arsenal. I told him to go down to Anderson Park and get involved. It turned out that he played for their social/pub side.
It turned out that he played for their social/pub side.
Hello there.
Some excellent points, counter-points, and observations have been made on this thread. (Alf, loved watching you at Muir Park when I was a lad).
One of the challenges we face in terms of governance at national level in terms of the composition of NZF's executive committee is that we may now have veered too far in terms of seeking the more generalised professional skill sets (accountancy, legal, etc) and as a consequence might have been left with perhaps one member at most capable of posing the hard questions in terms of football fundamentals.
The quality of answers you get is often dependent on the quality of questions posed.
I fear we don't have people at top governance level capable of asking the hard questions or putting the blow torch on our coaching dept, via the CEO. The lawyers, accountants and logistics experts are likely to be all at sea in that regard, in my opinion.
One of The Board member's is an Economist for goodness sake. Economists never have to answer for their predictions.
The other big issue is integrity. The Board should have known full well that we had cheated in The Olympic Qualifiers but chose to appeal. They should have come clean, admitted that they cheated and apologised. By appealing they lost respect.
To Bruce's point, the best Boards I've served on over the last 15 years (or worked with over the last 30) in both corporate and not-for-profit sectors are always made up of a mix of subject matter experts with deep experience of an organisation's core business (in this case football); complemented by experts of transferable skills (eg finance, law, marketing etc). Also, the best Boards have brilliant Chairs.
This isn't a private company it's a community organisation and it shouldn't frivolous
Mods, as discussed could you silence any critical posts in here, Ta. I've spent my work morning reporting them all for you.
IBTL.
In the past lots of people from the UK got coaching council jobs because it was assumed that they knew more about football governance than the locals.
I personally think there is a pattern there, simply on the basis that it takes one already in city council HR to employ those who follow.
Alf has a valid point. Not all of the ex-pats are bad, but the myth around them was highlighted by good old Alan Yates being on Family Feud the other week and saying "I played for Liverpool", which he then qualified by saying "I mean the 3rd team". But that's how so many of these people get embedded in our football by impressing us with the fact they went to primary school with someone who was Robbie Fowler's teacher's sister. Much the same as just because they're Brazilian or Spanish doesn't automatically make them good at football - all it takes to impress us is an accent and telling us how much they love NZ.
Ultimately though 1 thing is clear - Andy Martin is way out of his depth
This is so right. Had to laugh at my old mate Alan though. I met a guy that lived in Mt Albert and had just arrived from the UK and he said that he had played for Arsenal. I told him to go down to Anderson Park and get involved. It turned out that he played for their social/pub side.
At work (Heathrow) there are loads of guys that have played for Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, West Ham, Palace, QPR, Orient etc. Most in the academies but a few had careers at Brentford, Barnet, Reading etc.
They all say they played for this and that but interestingly enough when we go to Goals or a proper park after work for a runaround, I tend to be running around them, so I'm always suspicious of young kiwis in British academies or Brits in NZ and Aus going on about their footballing ability as you point out (I myself am only a 1st generation kiwi who's parents are from Devon).
Having also worked in management for the NHS, a very large UK airline and TfL I know first hand that Brits often make worse managers then us Antipodeans, Canadians, Germans etc.
For an organisation with such a limited budget, it seems a tad excessive taking a CEO, a lawyer(!) and a squad of 23 to an away WCQ.
A squad of 18 should be more than enough, and is pretty common around the world. Surely to take out a goalkeeper, Adams, Fenton, Cameron and Dyer. And have a couple of the NZ based guys on standby in case of injury.
Can't think of any reason why Martin need to go there. Can't think of any value he would add. And then to top it off I saw Martin (and his wife?) in Noumea two days later. Unless he's paid for his own flights, then that has to be a junket.
And a lawyer. FMD. How paranoid. Like big, bad OFC are out to get them.
Plenty of benefits for Martin though.
he's probably still there sunning on a beach as well
For an organisation with such a limited budget, it seems a tad excessive taking a CEO, a lawyer(!) and a squad of 23 to an away WCQ.
A squad of 18 should be more than enough, and is pretty common around the world. Surely to take out a goalkeeper, Adams, Fenton, Cameron and Dyer. And have a couple of the NZ based guys on standby in case of injury.
Can't think of any reason why Martin need to go there. Can't think of any value he would add. And then to top it off I saw Martin (and his wife?) in Noumea two days later. Unless he's paid for his own flights, then that has to be a junket.
And a lawyer. FMD. How paranoid. Like big, bad OFC are out to get them.
I recall Martin was in the stand watching the AW's play in the Middle East a year? or so ago.
100% agree with you. For such a small organisation with such a small budget you do wonder why the CEO is at these away games. If he pays his own way then OK...but I very much doubt this. I bet he does not fly cattle class or stay in backpackers
It would be great if one of our sports journalists asked the question at a news conference
Players also tend to share accommodation, I bet the boss doesn't. What's the bet the Lawyer is a mate.
Because they apparently refuse to give interviews to the footballing press, preferring to talk to "mates" like wife beater.
Partly because nobody cares.
Partly because of the state of journalism in this country.
One whom sits with Small Sam and the other whom lives in disgrace, what a great friendship they must have.
So tempted to submit a media request to interview Martin about his trip for the podcast.
please do and if he declines tell us the reason. This week would be good as he is still probably on the beach in the islands.
Partly because nobody cares.
Partly because of the state of journalism in this country.
I certainly agree with your last statement Smith. The first comment I'm a bit gray on. The general public don't give a toss but we do.
Partly because nobody cares.
Partly because of the state of journalism in this country.
I certainly agree with your last statement Smith. The first comment I'm a bit gray on. The general public don't give a toss but we do.
Yeah but we are a very small minority. Not significant enough to drive 'audience' to 'content'. Thus even though it's a good (important even) story, the lack of interested audience means it doesn't get covered. This is in essence the death of journalism.
On the subject of Martin taking a holiday after the match, this is a massive red herring. Assuming his missus paid her own way and he picked up the costs of his extended stay it's totally reasonable for him to take a couple of days of leave after and stay on. The question is whether he should have gone at all. If there was a good reason to go, then tacking a holiday on at the end is neither here nor there. Common practice across the private sector.
does the official information act apply to NZF?
does the official information act apply to NZF?
What do people think Hudson will say if you ask him why he's picking Moses Dyer (or 'insert player you don't like' - basically everyone's been labelled as not up to it outside of Winny Reid)?
What do people think Hudson will say if you ask him why he's picking Moses Dyer (or 'insert player you don't like' - basically everyone's been labelled as not up to it outside of Winny Reid)?
He'll either blank you and move on or say he's Ronaldo in the making.
Someone is not happy about ASB National League Trophy leaving Auckland.
just thinking over a Carlsberg ????? Nix 442 should rate, being biggest independent developer of future #AllWhites
Should be drinking garage project.
Nice for them to reflect on the positives (albeit forgetting Team Welly's win) but do they do any self-reflection on the lowlights - Alex Jones bungled transfer comes to mind. There is plenty of room for improvement NZF.
Due to the unfortunate and unfavourable circumstances within the organisation that is nzf...
Martin out etc.
NZ's most capped and Captain. Says a lot really, amateur administrators v professional players whom know what is right and what is not good enough. NZ women's football has been treated poorly for far too long.
