A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
NZ's most capped and Captain. Says a lot really, amateur administrators v professional players whom know what is right and what is not good enough. NZ women's football has been treated poorly for far too long.
There is more conversation here https://www.yellowfever.co.nz/categories/off-topic/topics/things-that-piss-you-off?page=345#post_1174553
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
By winning prizemoney, that mostly allows them to continue on the circuit, rather than set them up for later in life.
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
What is this girl on she is on a good wedge overseas i can tell you and if it wasn't for being picked in the ferns she wouldn't be trotting off to the world cup and olympics every four years and other tournaments she and others don't have to turn up.Get a job at McDonalds Abby
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
What is this girl on she is on a good wedge overseas i can tell you and if it wasn't for being picked in the ferns she wouldn't be trotting off to the world cup and olympics every four years and other tournaments she and others don't have to turn up.Get a job at McDonalds Abby
I'm sorry, but I cannot tell if you are serious or not.
Just because she is able to play football for a living, doesnt mean that everyone else is able to and that she cannot take a stand against "the stress experienced trying to work and also commit to a busy training and playing schedule".
While it is clearly a privilege to play for your country, it should not be a burden to participate and surely any losses of work / sacrifices made should be reimbursed. And thats at a minimum.
If you are then expected to compete at the elite level, the facilities and management that enables that should also be at an elite level.
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
So no problem with women dropping out of the sport and NZF not really caring about the women's game?
end of the day - there isn't the interest in the game.
She tries comparing us to USA. Hello - their interest levels are somewhat different.
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
So no problem with women dropping out of the sport and NZF not really caring about the women's game?
There is a limited pool of funding and an unlimited call on that funding. What do you propose gets taken away?
Based on sponsors interest and income generated, the Womens game actually does pretty well
end of the day - there isn't the interest in the game.
True and a shame. Erceg is obviously passionate about representing NZ and wants the Football Ferns to be as competitive as they can be, and to do that the players need to be able to maintain a minimum standard of living as well as meeting the expectations of being part of the Football Ferns - that gap for many is what she is fighting for and if that is not achievable, closing the gap, then it likely places the future of the Football Ferns in jeopardy.
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
So no problem with women dropping out of the sport and NZF not really caring about the women's game?
There is a limited pool of funding and an unlimited call on that funding. What do you propose gets taken away?
Based on sponsors interest and income generated, the Womens game actually does pretty well
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
So no problem with women dropping out of the sport and NZF not really caring about the women's game?
There is a limited pool of funding and an unlimited call on that funding. What do you propose gets taken away?
Based on sponsors interest and income generated, the Womens game actually does pretty well
What is this girl on she is on a good wedge overseas i can tell you and if it wasn't for being picked in the ferns she wouldn't be trotting off to the world cup and olympics every four years and other tournaments she and others don't have to turn up.Get a job at McDonalds Abby
I'm sorry, but I cannot tell if you are serious or not.
Just because she is able to play football for a living, doesnt mean that everyone else is able to and that she cannot take a stand against "the stress experienced trying to work and also commit to a busy training and playing schedule".
While it is clearly a privilege to play for your country, it should not be a burden to participate and surely any losses of work / sacrifices made should be reimbursed. And thats at a minimum.
If you are then expected to compete at the elite level, the facilities and management that enables that should also be at an elite level.
She is not arguing about it being a burden. She was saying they should not have to guess where their next paycheck is coming from i.e. paid to play for her country. The FFs get the same as the AWs and there is no money spare so in fairness, she can fudge right off.
I also agree that she off her rocker comparing womens football in other countries to football in NZ. I don't hear of any other national players doing that (or would like to be shown that if they do). She and others make her living BECAUSE of the exposure from playing for the FFs. Rosie White, couple of hat-tricks and how is she doing.
from the audio - she is basically saying that the Ferns training squad should be paid a retainer
I wonder how much money is spent on women's international football as a percentage of paid participants and what that comparison is to men. Without knowing, I'd guess women receive more than their fair share.
The actual question is how much funding does NZF provide? Because all I ever read is High Performance Sport funding. Which is pretty ridiculous because you have no control over it and you are competing against other sports for funding. Pretty sure when this goes down NZF don't top it up. So their funding is result related, but they are competing against countries with far higher finances. HPS funding should be an add on to NZF funding to push them to the next level, not a replacement for NZF funding.
from the audio - she is basically saying that the Ferns training squad should be paid a retainer
but then is also saying they're not asking for 'millions, or thousands, or hundreds of dollars.'
the cost of this would definitely be the last two.
hence the confusion.
The actual question is how much funding does NZF provide? Because all I ever read is High Performance Sport funding. Which is pretty ridiculous because you have no control over it and you are competing against other sports for funding. Pretty sure when this goes down NZF don't top it up. So their funding is result related, but they are competing against countries with far higher finances. HPS funding should be an add on to NZF funding to push them to the next level, not a replacement for NZF funding.
Not flying a lawyer and the CEO to every away game would be a good start.
On TV1 Martin just said they get the same daily rate as the men and the same split of tournament prize money. So as Feverish said she is angling for paid contracts for squad members.
Nice dream i guess
So, I am just catching up on this. To be clear:
- Football Ferns get the same amount of funding from NZF as the AWs.
- Both teams have a mix of (technically) amateur and professional players, although obviously more of the men are pro.
- NZF received more money in the last financial year from a crazy opera singing philanthropist who isn't even a kiwi than they did from any one of their sponsors.
- NZF wanted age group players to pay for their own trips to an international tournament
Is that correct? If so, what is she trying to achieve? I get that it might reach a point where you have to make a tough call about your priorities. I get that you might be pissed off about the lack of professional opportunities compared to men. I get that you would be pissed off at the general incompetence of NZF.
I don't get the feeling of injustice at this specific issue. How much money does she think NZF has?
- Football Ferns get the same amount of funding from NZF as the AWs.
I don't think this is true.
end of the day - there isn't the interest in the game.
She tries comparing us to USA. Hello - their interest levels are somewhat different.
Mad respect for @aerceg5. I wish more footballers had the courage to speak out and take a stand. Sacrifice is never easy. https://t.co/4buYlY6Cu8
— Hope Solo (@hopesolo) February 21, 2017
I think Enzo puts the question well in his response:
What is this girl on she is on a good wedge overseas i can tell you and if it wasn't for being picked in the ferns she wouldn't be trotting off to the world cup and olympics every four years and other tournaments she and others don't have to turn up.Get a job at McDonalds Abby
I'm sorry, but I cannot tell if you are serious or not.
Just because she is able to play football for a living, doesnt mean that everyone else is able to and that she cannot take a stand against "the stress experienced trying to work and also commit to a busy training and playing schedule".
While it is clearly a privilege to play for your country, it should not be a burden to participate and surely any losses of work / sacrifices made should be reimbursed. And thats at a minimum.
If you are then expected to compete at the elite level, the facilities and management that enables that should also be at an elite level.
She is not arguing about it being a burden. She was saying they should not have to guess where their next paycheck is coming from i.e. paid to play for her country. The FFs get the same as the AWs and there is no money spare so in fairness, she can fudge right off.
I also agree that she off her rocker comparing womens football in other countries to football in NZ. I don't hear of any other national players doing that (or would like to be shown that if they do). She and others make her living BECAUSE of the exposure from playing for the FFs. Rosie White, couple of hat-tricks and how is she doing.
Fair enough, I think burden was the wrong word. I think she is trying to say that the individuals should not be negatively impacted by playing and training for their country. And if it means missing work then there should be some degree of compensation for this. Otherwise you are making players choose between their football career and their working career. When they aren;t the same there is a problem. And I suppose as the captain, while you might not be impacted, you know everyone who is.
I accept that the comparisons to other countries are not necessarily valid, but if NZF are wanting the FF to perform at the elite level, they should want to get as many of the elite players playing. I imagine there would be more than a few of them who cannot just get weeks / months off from work at the frequency that international football requires.
I think Enzo puts the question well in his response:
Clubs are proactive in raising sponsorship etc. while NZ Football struggles to do the same.
On TV1 Martin just said they get the same daily rate as the men and the same split of tournament prize money. So as Feverish said she is angling for paid contracts for squad members.
Nice dream i guess
They may get the same daily rate, but that is chump change for most of the professional All Whites. Professional ferns are bugger all so those daily rates are actually more important.
A really odd interview I thought.
So players have had to make sacrifices (as they do in any other sport).
The football Ferns have competed in and had far more games than the all whites have over recent years, and that has been a key factor for many of them going on to professional careers.
Rugby and Cricket would be the only two sports in NZ where National representatives make a living out of playing for their country.
A lot of our individual / olympic athletes make their income competing for NZ.
So no problem with women dropping out of the sport and NZF not really caring about the women's game?
There is a limited pool of funding and an unlimited call on that funding. What do you propose gets taken away?
Based on sponsors interest and income generated, the Womens game actually does pretty well
no comparison to rugby - leaving to pursue club careers?!?!?! oh no, I have to leave to be a pro - if only women footballers had such a dilemma
These are some of our best in the country whom at great personal sacrifice, some moving to Auckland, sacrificing career and family to play for NZ and struggling to afford to do so.
NZF need to rethink what their expectations are of the Football Ferns.
I think it's important to not see this as one player having a moan about what she doesn't get. The message from her seems to be that she has finally had it with the amateur clowns that have always run football in NZ. The Niche Cache article summed it up nicely - as NZ Cricket admitted you can't keep saying "it's women, not as many people are interested".
Hardly surprising that our ex banker CEO has come out and said "nothing to see here". He's probably grumpy he couldn't spend all day on Expedia checking out hotels for all his upcoming junkets.
Essentially this is the same story we've been hearing for years - NZF is a mess and at some point some players reach their limits
Except the entirety of what has been put out there as the problem, is that amateur players in NZ are being asked to train full-time on top of jobs. Which is the same as the vast majority of other sports and not a result of any NZF problem. Maybe there are wider problems, but none of them were put out there today - and the one problem Erceg put out there, doesn't even apply to her.
I can see her point to some degree, even the amateur men get the benefit of being put in the shop window by playing for NZ with a chance of being picked up in one of the literally dozens of professional leagues around the world, for the woman there are far fewer professional leagues and those that are professional pay far less so they don't get the same sort of benefits.
However, it is also the nature of a niche sport in NZ. Probably only the NZ netballers get anything close to a wage playing for NZ and they are also semi professional. I wonder how the demands of football are different from the demands of hockey for instance?
It's actually surprising and positive that the FF get the same retainer as the men. It is still deeply unfair and shows that we still don't live in an equal society.
I can see her point to some degree, even the amateur men get the benefit of being put in the shop window by playing for NZ with a chance of being picked up in one of the literally dozens of professional leagues around the world, for the woman there are far fewer professional leagues and those that are professional pay far less so they don't get the same sort of benefits.
However, it is also the nature of a niche sport in NZ. Probably only the NZ netballers get anything close to a wage playing for NZ and they are also semi professional. I wonder how the demands of football are different from the demands of hockey for instance?
It's actually surprising and positive that the FF get the same retainer as the men. It is still deeply unfair and shows that we still don't live in an equal society.
More of a per diem than a retainer.
- Football Ferns get the same amount of funding from NZF as the AWs.
I don't think this is true.
Seems to me like people are talking about two separate issues here. One is the amount of compensation given to the Football Ferns in exchange for playing for their country. The other is the general difference in interest, opportunities, and pay between elite male footballers and elite female footballers.
The first issue is what it seemed like Erceg was complaining about to me, and given the context of NZF's finances and the fact that the men receive the same compensation then I don't really get how she expects that to change. Yes, the relative value of the compensation is different for each team but it's also different for players in those teams. And it might be a pittance to the likes of Winnie but what has that got to do with NZF? They aren't paying his salary for West Ham.
The second issue is definitely concerning but it seems way bigger than what Erceg was saying and definitely bigger than NZF can address.
Compare Coaches wages would be a base level comparison
Reeding $ International games @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Hudson $$$$$$$$$$$$ International games @@
:-)
Compare Coaches wages would be a base level comparison
Reeding $ International games @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Hudson $$$$$$$$$$$$ International games @@
:-)
And while we can all agree that Hudson is a charlatan, I would guess the rationale behind paying him more is that qualification for the men's world cup is worth so much more than qualification for the women's. Which has nothing to do with NZF and everything to do with relative levels of global public interest.
