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AW v Slovenia Match Thread Sat 06:30 SS3

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
went down to the 4k's to watch the game and enjoy the atmosphere ..... during the second half I think I've been at noisier funerals; talk about glum.

Was definitely a game of two halves.

Is that a football cliche too?

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
wolfman wrote:
Slept in, but tuned in just in time to see their 2nd goal. Have to question the positioning of the wall there. We had an extra player standing off the end, the Slovenian hit it outside him, and it still went in. The replay from behind the goal didn't seem to show much curl. Am waiting for the halftime replays to confirm my opinion.


You missed the first goal then which caused the second - wall was set up to cover the side that it didn't go in, but Paston was pulled more to the middle as the 1st goal went up and down over the wall into the far net where Paston couldn't reach. Both well taken free kicks.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
aitkenmike wrote:
wolfman wrote:
Slept in, but tuned in just in time to see their 2nd goal. Have to question the positioning of the wall there. We had an extra player standing off the end, the Slovenian hit it outside him, and it still went in. The replay from behind the goal didn't seem to show much curl. Am waiting for the halftime replays to confirm my opinion.


You missed the first goal then which caused the second - wall was set up to cover the side that it didn't go in, but Paston was pulled more to the middle as the 1st goal went up and down over the wall into the far net where Paston couldn't reach. Both well taken free kicks.
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- hopefully that's part of the learning experience; at this level  of play giving away free kicks just outside the box (no matter if the ref calls it wrong) is almost as good as giving away a penalty. The free kick against Reid just seemed to be punishment for petulance - why risk it?
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
- hopefully that's part of the learning experience; at this level  of play giving away free kicks just outside the box (no matter if the ref calls it wrong) is almost as good as giving away a penalty. The free kick against Reid just seemed to be punishment for petulance - why risk it?

Agree with the value of free kicks just outside the box (Lochhead was flirting with danger in a similar location to the Bahrain penalty this morning!!), but did we watch the same footage of the Reid free kick/yellow card??

Reid didn't even touch the guy, he then dribbled the ball away a few paces before he inexplicably (actually explicably) fell all over himself. Was f**king terrible.
ahmad2010-06-05 11:40:17

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
linds wrote:
Yeah, but that is most likely gonna be a 60 minute training game. Actually I'd just like to see someone else in the middle to see how they fill Brown's spot.
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Unless there's been a change since the initial announcement, it's likely to be 90 minutes - albeit divided into thirds rather than halves:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10633817

[quote=Auckland Herald]
The teams will meet behind closed doors on June 9 at Nelspruit, where Chile will be based during the June 11-July 11 finals, at their base camp training venue Ingwenyama Sports Grounds. The match is likely to be played behind in three 30 minute periods.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oh OK, bad skim reading.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Wonder why Ricki didnt empty the bench in the last 10min of the game.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The dive will surely make the Refs - Watch out for - Video supplied by FIFA
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I Still rate our chances v Slovakia...they lost both their World Cup Qualifiers against Slovenia.  Hope we get a good ref!!!! and improve our finishing!!! kiwiMalaysia422010-06-05 13:11:08
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
is there going to be tv coverage of the chile game or total media block out?
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
convict wrote:

Wonder why Ricki didnt empty the bench in the last 10min of the game.



damage limitation, i expect
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Few comments:
 
- Reid was shaky in the first half, the cheap free kicks and distribution was poor
- agree that Lochhead was generally good, got forward, passing was good, some good/some bad crosses. Not much sign of Bertos as an attacking threat
- strange that Ricki didn't give McGlinchey or Sigmund or Killen some time in the second half, especially as the team was tiring inthe last 15
- Elliot's distribution mostly good. Christie works hard but passing let's him down
- Paston seems intimidated by the new ball, doesn't want to catch it, not a good look
- Generally a decent performance against a more than decent team.
 
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
savaged1 wrote:
is there going to be tv coverage of the chile game or total media block out?
 
No, it's a closed training session with three 30 min thirds.  Not a game as such.

14/11/09

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Looking at the three warmup games you would have to be generally pleased.
 
The positives.
We have been very combatitive in every game. No one is now saying we don't deserve to be at the WC. We Have put top ranking sides under sustained pressure and have fashioned many goal scoring chances. The side is well organised and is hard to break down in open play. We have quality and depth in our strikers and central defenders. Reid and Smith have been great "finds". Fallon has been a handfull in every game against top defenses. The team is a tight unit...well led and well coached.
 
The negatives.
General lack of pace across the park. The midfield is a real problem. Slovenia had us for toast in midfield. We lack a composed playmaker who can thread passes. Too much attack goes sideways or backwards which is more a reflection on the players we have. Christie is not the answer as a holding midfielder. Brown is no passing midfielder but he does have physical presence and is a threat on goal(not like Elliot)...give Brownie some horse tranquilisers and get him to SA. Bertos is wasted in his current role....he seems to be in two minds about bombing forward or staying back.
 
Overall as an AW's supporter you would have to be reasonably happy going into the WC. Slovakia won't be much different from Slovenia and they won't have the home advantage that Slovenia had. The game against Slovenia was a perfect game to expose what we need to work on. If we can get more out of our midfield and improve our finishing then a point at least is possible against Slovakia.
 
 In reality Italy and Paraguay will be too good and too fast in midfield and outwide for us to have much of a show.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bugger, wasn't able to get down to the kings sadly this morning but watched some online. Those Slavs, sure gave us a whipping. Brilliant match.

We probably won't cause an upset at the world cup, but f**k it, gonna be awesome.

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Teza wrote:
 
 
Developmentally NZ Football & clubs need to put a lot more effort into developing better midfield players who are comfortable on the ball, have all.
 
It would be interesting to study Slovenia's set up as they are a smaller nation than us & have a lot less registered players but have produced a good team. I guess it helps in that Football is probably the national sport & money is pumped into it.
 
 
 
Probably also helps that they are regularly pitting themselves against quality opposition in Europe.
wolfman2010-06-05 13:35:21


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aitkenmike wrote:
wolfman wrote:
Slept in, but tuned in just in time to see their 2nd goal. Have to question the positioning of the wall there. We had an extra player standing off the end, the Slovenian hit it outside him, and it still went in. The replay from behind the goal didn't seem to show much curl. Am waiting for the halftime replays to confirm my opinion.


You missed the first goal then which caused the second - wall was set up to cover the side that it didn't go in, but Paston was pulled more to the middle as the 1st goal went up and down over the wall into the far net where Paston couldn't reach. Both well taken free kicks.
 
Just watched highlights on stuff. My original thought was that the second goal was scored on the wall side, but clearly it was on Paston's side of the goal. The first was also on his side.
 
I generally tend to blame the keeper if they're beaten on their own side, although both kicks were very well placed, and the first one was particularly well done.
 
On another issue, I haven't seen any comments yet from Ricki on
a) why he didn't make any subs apart from "Clapham"
b) what happened with that particular substitution 
wolfman2010-06-05 13:43:01


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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
In the WC it is going to be dangerous to concede free kicks on the edge of the box, many free kick specialists will be there who can execute in a similar fashion as the Slovenian did.
This team has a lot of heart and spirit and that could well mainifest itself with a victory during this WC. I'm pretty certain that Italy and Paraguay will have too much class for us but we can beat Slovakia if we treat it like a final, give everything.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I thought both teams tested each other- I thought we actually made more chances, just didn`t put them away. They didn`t really threaten too much apart from the set pieces.
 
We had more than enough chances to draw or better in this game. Paston`s error makes things look worse than they were, and the reffing was frustrating. We could have got back in it as late as the incorrect call on Fallon being offside. Between the reffing, Paston`s fumbles, the number of clear cut chances we had I`m very bullish after this game.
 
This was a team in good form and we competed strongly and on another day would have put them away. I only wonder why Chris Wood was taken off for Brockie. Surely only showed that Wood needed more game time and is a much much better player than Brockie. Unlucky not to score, at least he got over the ball and got the shot on target (I`ve yet to see Brockie work the keeper- the Olypmics aside), and got the assist for Fallon`s goal. We were a much weaker attacking unit with him off.


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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ahmad wrote:

Reid didn't even touch the guy, he then dribbled the ball away a few paces before he inexplicably (actually explicably) fell all over himself. Was f**king terrible.
 
Reid tugged his shirt, which was what the yellow card was for. The Slovenian went to ground when he felt the shirt tug.
 
One thing that was clear to me though was just how bad Dewhurst is at commentating.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
valeo wrote:
I can't believe Ricki hasn't experimented with Vicelich partnering Nelsen, and dropping Lochead. If any of the other teams realises how defensively fragile we are down the right flank we are screwed. Bringing in Vicelich would allow Reid and Smith to play slightly wider, and free up Bertos to get to the line, which he has been unable to do due to defensive responsibilities (and being too shagged from running end to end) If Lochead plays, he is going to be worth at least 5 goals over the group games. I don't like saying this because I like Lochie as a player and
bloke, but he is A-League standard only.

 


Thought that Lochhead was one of our best today.

He's the only left back we have. Smith can't play there.
 
Effectively we are still playing 5 at the back. You are saying that Smith would be incapable of playing a deep wide midfiled role, with Ivan, Nelly and Reid to his right and slightly behind?He shows a good ability to live on the ball, and while he might not make attacking runs, he could distribute well from this position. Lochead is too slow, and vulnerable to being run at. It is too easy for attacking teams to get behind our defensive line (from the right) and cross the ball low and hard into the six yard box. If Lochead plays at the WC I am certain we will leak 3-5 goals from a sceanrio such as this.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Paston is starting to become a worry, Can we appeal Moss's ban? What about the third string guy?

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
brettdale wrote:

Paston is starting to become a worry, Can we appeal Moss's ban? What about the third string guy?



knee jerk much?


but yeah, catch it Pastie, don't punch it

Salmon swim upstream

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SiNZ wrote:
 One thing that was clear to me though was just how bad Dewhurst is at commentating.


Dewhurst is a boring little dullard
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brettdale wrote:

Paston is starting to become a worry, Can we appeal Moss's ban? What about the third string guy?



too late to try now to overturn the ban don't you think? Would either of Bannatyne or Mossy had done any better, we'll never know.

Agree with Salmon, just has to catch and hold. I have faith in you Pasty.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bannatyne = sh*t. 
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Agree with Oceanic (but then I would, wouldn't I? ) Anyway heard Ricki on Newstalk ZB at about 1230, he expects much more 'punching' by gks at the world cup, given the way the ball is travelling ...
cronus2010-06-05 17:04:24
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think I'm happy with a keeper who drops the occasional sitter in friendlies, if he then saves penalties when it counts. Mark Paston is still my pretend boyfriend.

Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads



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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
brettdale wrote:
Paston is starting to become a worry, Can we appeal Moss's ban? What about the third string guy?
Yes we can but NZ Football kinda forgot to do it before the deadline (famously).

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
With the exception of the goal today I think that Pasty has looked really solid in each of the games he has played in.  I didnt see the first punch people have been complaining about but the one later on in the second half was both a good decision and well executed.  It had good range and elevation.  I for one am very happy withi him in goals.  
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valeo wrote:
I can't believe Ricki hasn't experimented with Vicelich partnering Nelsen, and dropping Lochead. If any of the other teams realises how defensively fragile we are down the right flank we are screwed. Bringing in Vicelich would allow Reid and Smith to play slightly wider, and free up Bertos to get to the line, which he has been unable to do due to defensive responsibilities (and being too shagged from running end to end) If Lochead plays, he is going to be worth at least 5 goals over the group games. I don't like saying this because I like Lochie as a player and
bloke, but he is A-League standard only.

 


Thought that Lochhead was one of our best today.

He's the only left back we have. Smith can't play there.
 
Effectively we are still playing 5 at the back. You are saying that Smith would be incapable of playing a deep wide midfiled role, with Ivan, Nelly and Reid to his right and slightly behind?He shows a good ability to live on the ball, and while he might not make attacking runs, he could distribute well from this position. Lochead is too slow, and vulnerable to being run at. It is too easy for attacking teams to get behind our defensive line (from the right) and cross the ball low and hard into the six yard box. If Lochead plays at the WC I am certain we will leak 3-5 goals from a sceanrio such as this.
 
We've seen 3 games in quick succession and I don't think you could say there is any glaring deficiency down that side - in fact I would argue that the right side is more vulnerable, with Leo clearly uncomfortable in his role. Also Lochhead is actually quite quick, as several good attacking and defensive runs showed today. He is the least of my worries at the moment.
 
Re Leo, unfortunately we are stuck with him playing that neither-here-nor-there role. It's far from ideal but I think Ricki has no choice but to go with it. It may be that when the chips are down and we are chasing the game Leo will be given a freer reign to run at defences, which is where he excels on his day.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steptoe wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
 One thing that was clear to me though was just how bad Dewhurst is at commentating.


Dewhurst is a boring little dullard
 
Won a competition on his total football show but never got the prizes. Lost all respect for him then and there.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bertos has not beat a player in three games... he looks lost at the moment.
 
We need him making runs down to the byline and hen crossing back in to our tall timber.
 
Wood should of stayed on ahead of brockie who offered nothing and we should of tried someone ahead of Christie or at half time.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

While the free kick from a weak free kick, helped by simulation... Reid did stick his arm out into the guy when he got beaten, then gave his shirt a wee tug from behind. Not saying it should have been a free kick necessarily, but our defenders need to give the ref less reason to give them.

I believe walls are generally set / guided by the keeper, so eyes have to be looking at Paston for that (as well as the obvioius gaff). But no point bashing the guy really. He's our top available keeper so we have to support him. And he's been great for All Whites and Phoenix over the last year. And to be fair, yesterday I did pick Novakovic as an outside pick for golden boot!
 
That was a big game for Slovenia. At home for their only pre-World Cup game. They aren't a big footballing nation, so a win against another World Cup team was important thing for them. So the positive here is that they were clearly 'trying', as you could see by their going down easy at times. Slovenia are probably a bit better than Slovakia... And they didn't score from open play apart from Paston handing it to them. And we still created chances (and scored). That's the big difference between this All White team and others I've seen - we're getting into good positions to score. Even if not always by the prettiest method...
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Going by today's game, maybe we can get away with sending Moss on in Paston's shirt! 


(I'm happy enough with Paston though; while it was a howler for that third goal, at least he got it out of the way before the tournament proper.)
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
seriously though, we don't/  can't play the ball around, all we do is hit the long ball to fallon and hope he can flick something on, this morning we got ripped apart, slovenia played quick 1-2 passes that we coulnd'nt cope with or match.our only ball player is elliot and the poor guy is old as hell now, but still better than anything else we have.  
lockhead  has to go, paston kick him 2 the kirb he is useless. And i would prefer mulligan over christie any day of the week, much better ball player.
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SiNZ wrote:
ahmad wrote:
Reid didn't even touch the guy, he then dribbled the ball away a few paces before he inexplicably (actually explicably) fell all over himself. Was f**king terrible.

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Reid tugged his shirt, which was what the yellow card was for. The Slovenian went to ground when he felt the shirt tug.

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One thing that was clear to me though was just how bad Dewhurst is at commentating.


Thank you SiNZ - I was just starting to believe that I lived in another dimension, because the shirt tug was so clearly seen on the replay that I can't believe so few people have picked up on it (including Dewhurst and Ngata who embarassingly continued to harangue the Slovenian player for diving when he'd clearly been fouled).

The officials did have a few other 'curious' decisions though.el grapadura2010-06-05 20:35:48
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SiNZ wrote:
ahmad wrote:

Reid didn't even touch the guy, he then dribbled the ball away a few paces before he inexplicably (actually explicably) fell all over himself. Was f**king terrible.
Reid tugged his shirt, which was what the yellow card was for. The Slovenian went to ground when he felt the shirt tug.
 
One thing that was clear to me though was just how bad Dewhurst is at commentating.

1) Thanks for clearing up the Reid incident. Missed that on a million replays today but after you said that I saw it again on the news (looking to prove you wrong ) and saw the tug. I'm not into simulation but I'm not that into jersey tugs either. Doesn't make that free kick seem so bad though (although the wall/keeping was still suspect in the goal).

2) Haven't we had "English" commentators for previous world cups? Like the ones that spout the drivel in the EA Sports FIFA games? Are we getting locals this time just because we qualified? Class >> region tbh

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el grapadura wrote:
Thank you SiNZ - I was just starting to believe that I lived in another dimension, because the shirt tug was so clearly seen on the replay that I can't believe so few people have picked up on it (including Dewhurst and Ngata who embarassingly continued to harangue the Slovenian player for divinf when he'd clearly been fouled).

HAHA beat me to it

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i.love.balls wrote:
seriously though, we don't/� can't play the ball around, all we do is hit the long ball to fallon and hope he can flick something on, this morning we got ripped apart, slovenia played quick�1-2 passes that we coulnd'nt cope with or�match.our only ball player is elliot and the poor guy is�old as hell now, but still better than anything else we have.��
lockhead� has to go, paston�kick him 2 the kirb he is useless. And i would prefer mulligan over christie any day of the week, much better ball player.


Who are you going to replace Lockhead with and who are you going to replace paston with?
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