AWs soccer success fails to impress all in Dunedin
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AWs soccer success fails to impress all in Dunedin
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ODT Wednesday November 18, 2009
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"Putting soccer in its place"
Dear Sir,
I do not think that media should be calling soccer "football". Granted, it is the only one of all the football games where only the feet are used, but nevertheless all the other games are forms of football, so soccer does not have the sole ownership of the word. I do not often agree with Americanisms but this time they have got it right.
"Soccer" is a nickname for "association football". When you say "football" in New Zealand, you are talking about the national game, rugby union.
Soccer people need to be reminded that all the football codes have the legal and official right to the word "football". Rugby union, rugby league, Australian rules, American gridiron, Gaelic football and association football all the word "football" in their legal and official name and they are legitimate codes of football.
Soccer people should stop trying arrogantly to force some kind of "PC" use on us. They do not have the sole right to the word, so soccer people, get over it. And media people need to recognise this, too.
Alan McDonald
Caversham.
Dear Sir,
I do not think that media should be calling soccer "football". Granted, it is the only one of all the football games where only the feet are used, but nevertheless all the other games are forms of football, so soccer does not have the sole ownership of the word. I do not often agree with Americanisms but this time they have got it right.
"Soccer" is a nickname for "association football". When you say "football" in New Zealand, you are talking about the national game, rugby union.
Soccer people need to be reminded that all the football codes have the legal and official right to the word "football". Rugby union, rugby league, Australian rules, American gridiron, Gaelic football and association football all the word "football" in their legal and official name and they are legitimate codes of football.
Soccer people should stop trying arrogantly to force some kind of "PC" use on us. They do not have the sole right to the word, so soccer people, get over it. And media people need to recognise this, too.
Alan McDonald
Caversham.
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Its a shame that some pple feel that way. Lets hope pple from both codes can support each other. Why? because we are a small country, rugby maybe the number one sport here, but its crowd figures at matches have dropped.
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But Alan, why call rugby "football" when when the whole idea of the game is to use your hands and stick your heads up each other's bottoms? Stevo2009-11-18 19:44:12
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Really deserves some sort of response. Someone here has better knowledge of the matter than me.
Typical that someone has to focus on something negative.
Typical that someone has to focus on something negative.
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Oh dear. Oh dear. I think I can feel an e-mail to the ODT coming on
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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The name of the game's governing body is FIFA.
Not FISA, FIFA.
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I have not heard anyone call Rugby football ever I don't believe.
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Oh dear. Oh dear. I think I can feel an e-mail to the ODT coming on
Please do because it requires a response but I am certainly not qualified to make it.
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Definately needs a reply. Lets be realistic thought, Football is sooo much bigger than rugby. Who calls rugby football anyway? its played with your hands! Wasnt rugby invented when someone picked up a football and ran with it?
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some thoughts for our porridge eating friend
Soccer people should stop trying arrogantly to force some kind of "PC" use on us feel free to do whatever pc or non-pc things you wish my fine southern man and in that spirit it seems reasonable to 'let' association football fans and the media use the word football. They do not have the sole right to the word, so soccer people, get over it. And media people need to recognise this, too. you are repating yourself now, so just reapply some of my previous comments at your leisure
Alan McDonald
Caversham.
in theory i could submit some of these to the ODT but i really can't be bothered at this stage -
if this particular piece of rugby 'backlash' continues i might
anyway in the interest of keeping my typing fingers moving here's a response
Putting soccer in its place" It's our game we'll put it where we wish, and that is under "f" in the dictionary
Dear Sir,
I do not think that media should be calling soccer "football" too late . Granted, it is the only one of all the football games where only the feet are used you've just shot your self in the foot, but nevertheless all the other games are forms of football, so soccer does not have the sole ownership of the word. possibly not, but you might concede that we are allowed to use it I do not often agree with Americanisms but this time they have got it right.
"Soccer" is a nickname for "association football". When you say "football" in New Zealand, you are talking about the national game, rugby union. you might be - but i'm not
Soccer people need to be reminded that all the football codes have the legal and official right to the word "football". Rugby union, rugby league, Australian rules, American gridiron, Gaelic football and association football all the word "football" in their legal and official name and they are legitimate codes of football. yes but if it's ok with you I'll resist the urge to copy the pattern from rugby football, i just think it would be a bit naff to call my sport "football football"
Dear Sir,
I do not think that media should be calling soccer "football" too late . Granted, it is the only one of all the football games where only the feet are used you've just shot your self in the foot, but nevertheless all the other games are forms of football, so soccer does not have the sole ownership of the word. possibly not, but you might concede that we are allowed to use it I do not often agree with Americanisms but this time they have got it right.
"Soccer" is a nickname for "association football". When you say "football" in New Zealand, you are talking about the national game, rugby union. you might be - but i'm not
Soccer people need to be reminded that all the football codes have the legal and official right to the word "football". Rugby union, rugby league, Australian rules, American gridiron, Gaelic football and association football all the word "football" in their legal and official name and they are legitimate codes of football. yes but if it's ok with you I'll resist the urge to copy the pattern from rugby football, i just think it would be a bit naff to call my sport "football football"
Soccer people should stop trying arrogantly to force some kind of "PC" use on us feel free to do whatever pc or non-pc things you wish my fine southern man and in that spirit it seems reasonable to 'let' association football fans and the media use the word football. They do not have the sole right to the word, so soccer people, get over it. And media people need to recognise this, too. you are repating yourself now, so just reapply some of my previous comments at your leisure
Alan McDonald
Caversham.
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Nothing wrong with porridge, tigers!
I just rattled this off, probably a bit long but, hey, what the hell:
Dear Editor
I feel I cannot allow the comments from Mr McDonald to go unanswered.
I’d like to say how disappointing the comments are, at a time when supporters of all codes are celebrating the achievements of the All Whites in qualifying for the 2010 World Cup.
I would point out that the organisation which governs the game he clearly has little regard for is called FIFA, F�d�ration Internationale de Football Association. The word “Football” appears in that title, but is conspicuously absent from IRB, which governs New Zealand’s ‘national game’.
To the best of my knowledge, no-one is trying to “arrogantly force" people to use the term football. Your letter would actually suggest that you may be trying to arrogantly force ‘soccer people’ and the media not to use the term. The game is known as football all over the world, isn't it arrogance to suggest that the same does not apply here. Hiding your disdain for the game behind quasi-legal arguments does you absolutely no credit whatsoever
I am a member of a FOOTBALL Club, I have FOOTBALL coaching qualifications which I obtained through New Zealand FOOTBALL, I have been a lifelong supporter of a FOOTBALL club which was founded in 1876. Therefore, I feel I have every justification in describing the game as FOOTBALL. When I say football in New Zealand, I am talking about FOOTBALL.
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Yours in Sport
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Jag2009-11-18 20:57:26
I just rattled this off, probably a bit long but, hey, what the hell:
Dear Editor
I feel I cannot allow the comments from Mr McDonald to go unanswered.
I’d like to say how disappointing the comments are, at a time when supporters of all codes are celebrating the achievements of the All Whites in qualifying for the 2010 World Cup.
I would point out that the organisation which governs the game he clearly has little regard for is called FIFA, F�d�ration Internationale de Football Association. The word “Football” appears in that title, but is conspicuously absent from IRB, which governs New Zealand’s ‘national game’.
To the best of my knowledge, no-one is trying to “arrogantly force" people to use the term football. Your letter would actually suggest that you may be trying to arrogantly force ‘soccer people’ and the media not to use the term. The game is known as football all over the world, isn't it arrogance to suggest that the same does not apply here. Hiding your disdain for the game behind quasi-legal arguments does you absolutely no credit whatsoever
I am a member of a FOOTBALL Club, I have FOOTBALL coaching qualifications which I obtained through New Zealand FOOTBALL, I have been a lifelong supporter of a FOOTBALL club which was founded in 1876. Therefore, I feel I have every justification in describing the game as FOOTBALL. When I say football in New Zealand, I am talking about FOOTBALL.
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Yours in Sport
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Jag2009-11-18 20:57:26
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Well what i dont get is Martin Snedden head of rugby worldcup 2011 in NZ said that rugby is the 3rd most popular sport in the world. Where the fudge did he get his statistics from?? That is a load of crap. Makes me laugh acutally.
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not even 3rd most popular in NZ anymore and only played by 40-50 countries. They're kidding themselves
rojas, so special
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What the f**k is "PC" about it?
That stupid f..n term has lost all meaning (and the original meaning was fairly bigoted as it is), but munters like Alan McDonald really take it to a new level of stupid.
14/11/09
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what a load of bull most of those sports are played in 20 countries max.football is played in over 200
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But Alan, why call rugby "football" when when the whole idea of the game is to use your hands and stick your heads up each other's bottoms?
Aahh but is it,the way the game is being played these days you can see why he like the name football.The ball goes into a scrum (eventually)so it can get to a 1st five who then kicks it away so someone can kick it back so he can kick it back then someone is penalised and you guessed it its a kick at goal.Come to think of it with throw ins and the GK handling the ball its probably handled more in FOOTBALL than it is in RUGBY.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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Well what i dont get is Martin Snedden head of rugby worldcup 2011 in NZ said that rugby is the 3rd most popular sport in the world. Where the fudge did he get his statistics from?? That is a load of crap. Makes me laugh acutally.
i can't remember where i heard it - possib nat radio or radio sport over the weekend
but it seems that a lot of the fuigures about rugby's popularity, the supposed income for nz and ahem cough , 'worldwide ' splutter media coverage etc etc that were used to 'sell' the world cup to the govt and us tax payers were complete crap and the govt didn't check them out
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What the�f**k�is "PC" about it?
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That stupid f..n term� has lost all meaning (and the original meaning was fairly bigoted as it is), but munters like Alan McDonald really take it to a new level of stupid.
Surely you have heard of the "Political Football"?
Well...
"Sharing rewards the weak"- Steven Colbert
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Hell yes I've sent it to the paper
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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The more replies the merrier, and the higher the chance one is published. I should add that they short "to the point" letters (spoken in a few sentences or a couple of paragraphs) also are more likely to be published.
Today's letter is published with a picture of the AWs from the victory parade with the caption:
"Footballers or soccer players? The victorious All Whites, whose win over Bahrain means they have earned a place in the game's prestigious World Cup, do no have sole claim to the name "football", a correspondent says.
Today's letter is published with a picture of the AWs from the victory parade with the caption:
"Footballers or soccer players? The victorious All Whites, whose win over Bahrain means they have earned a place in the game's prestigious World Cup, do no have sole claim to the name "football", a correspondent says.
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Hell yes I've sent it to the paper
Along with a copy of his inaugural membership badge of Partick Thistle.GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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Hell yes I've sent it to the paper
Along with a copy of his inaugural membership badge of Partick Thistle.
Ah. Another mention for Thistle on a New Zealand website. My work here is done.
.....more than happy for you to come express those sentiments to me game day on the 12th should make for an interesting day
Jag2009-11-18 22:32:23Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Rugby was invented from football just because some cheating bastard picked the ball up. Footbal came onto this earth first, Rugby shall always be rugby Union or Rugby League, Football will always be football except for those with small narrow minds.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!
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Rugby was invented from football just because some cheating bastard picked the ball up. Footbal came onto this earth first, Rugby shall always be rugby Union or Rugby League, Football will always be football except for those with small narrow minds.
Exactly LG, Rugby is a derivative of Football. That is why its traditional name is Rugby Football. The kind of Football they play in the town of Rugby. www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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Hell yes I've sent it to the paper
Along with a copy of his inaugural membership badge of Partick Thistle.
Ah. Another mention for Thistle on a New Zealand website. My work here is done.
.....more than happy for you to come express those sentiments to me game day on the 12th should make for an interesting day
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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I was planning to but it's still a toss up between that or the Melbourne game the week before. Can't do both (before some smart arse says so!)
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Small minded twat. Think Michael Laws without the Soapbox.
Best ignored.
Best ignored.
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Small minded twat.� Think Michael Laws without the Soapbox.Best ignored.
Who me?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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If the cap fits Jag... you numpty.
The ODT letter writer. Yawn.
The ODT letter writer. Yawn.
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Dear Mr. MacDOnald,
35,000 people. Best atmosphere ever at a New Zealand sporting event. Off to the worlds biggest sporting event. Who cares what it's called, the whole country is talking about it.
Lubs
News.
35,000 people. Best atmosphere ever at a New Zealand sporting event. Off to the worlds biggest sporting event. Who cares what it's called, the whole country is talking about it.
Lubs
News.
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Do love it, when someone slanders football, or the fever, or sky with aleague coverage the fever jump on and get on there backs
Brilliant, maybe the fever could become not only rent-a-choir with Stefan but rent-a-jury?
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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If the cap fits Jag... you numpty.The ODT letter writer.� Yawn.
I don't know why I bother sometimes. I'm dishing out comedy gold here and it gets lobbed back in my face. Everyone's a critic
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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sigh, I miss the ODT opinion page. As a student it was always the page I turned to first with its small minded bigoted South Dunedin opinions. And that was just the Garrick Tremain cartoons.
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If the cap fits Jag... you numpty.The ODT letter writer. Yawn.
I don't know why I bother sometimes. I'm dishing out comedy gold here and it gets lobbed back in my face. Everyone's a critic
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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Dear Mr. MacDOnald,35,000 people.� Best atmosphere ever at a New Zealand sporting event.� Off to the worlds biggest sporting event.� Who cares what it's called, the whole country is talking about it.LubsNews.
Sent it yet News?
And did we bump into each other on the weekend?
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