Do New Zealanders know of any Midfielders that are quality/class???
Coz Im struggling to find any!!!
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Simon Elliott, Leo Bertos, Chris James.
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I shud really have said Central Midfielders???
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Hey Hammerhead!!!
Noble was average for England Under21s mate
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Was he? Didn't see any games. He must have been better than Reo-Choker surely?
Nevermind, he was awesome for the Hammers and thats all that
counts to me.
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personally I think the best midfielder ever produced in the
history of NZ Football was the Chris "The Kiwi Crippler" Jackson -
tenacious and had a crunching tackle on him....and a great barnett
that time he did the leopard spots
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not elliot... he has never done anything of note in a kiwi
jumper... just because he mad a prem side... somehow, his msl side
didn't rate him... so yeah,,, best ever no.
Bertos has the potential but for me so vicelich as a defensive
midfeilder.
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Not sure what to say to that other than how many other kiwis are playing for First Division club in Europe? I do concede there is some truth to what you say though.
Will be interesting to see how he goes this
season if he stays injury-free.
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not elliot... he has never done anything of note in a kiwi
jumper... just because he mad a prem side... somehow, his msl side
didn't rate him... so yeah,,, best ever no.
What MLS (not msl) side didn't rate him (Elliott not
Elliot)? At Galaxy he nearly won Rookie of the Year and was a
consistent performer for the Crew.
"just beacuse he made a prem side" aye - you think that's not
an achievement?!
Founder
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ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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not elliot... he has never done anything of note in a kiwi
jumper... just because he mad a prem side... somehow, his msl side
didn't rate him... so yeah,,, best ever no.
What MLS (not msl) side didn't rate him (Elliott not
Elliot)? At Galaxy he nearly won Rookie of the Year and was a
consistent performer for the Crew.
"just beacuse he made a prem side" aye - you think that's not
an achievement?!
leave it out - TouchMe made some real valid points.
Its like Zidane, as well. What did he ever do?
Garbage player. Just like the msl sides that Elliott played a
few hundred games for, France never rated him.
Or in other sports, Richie McCaw - just because he made the
All Blacks.......somehow! My mum didn't rate him......so
yeah.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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Hamish Rogers. Aye Nembo 
Three for me, and two for them.
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Don't know bout best midfielder, but best goal from a
midfielder
Raf de gregorio accidental ripper against Columbia. All
class
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Before Elliott made Fulham he couldn't even make the all whites.
Fact.
He nearly won rookie of the year, and never improved on that.
Fact.
When signed his own msl club fans said what? him? really? Your
sh*tting me, right?. Fact.
He did do well for Fulham when he was fit, I admit that, but
apart from that he has only ever show sporadic glimpses of
quality.
A couple games doesn't qualiry you as been NZ's best ever
midfielder.
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Before Elliott made Fulham he couldn't even make the all whites.
Fact. [/QUOTE]
Everyone knows why he wasn't included, and it was nothing to
do with his ability. And that All Whites team was
rubbish!
He nearly won rookie of the year, and never improved on that.
Fact.
thats an opinion
[QUOTE=TouchMe]When signed his own msl club fans said what?
him? really? Your sh*tting me, right?. Fact.
He did do well for Fulham when he was fit, I admit that, but
apart from that he has only ever show sporadic glimpses of
quality..
So if his own fans were surprised that Fulham signed him, but
then he went on to play well in the Premier League, does that say
more about Simon Elliot the player, or the MLS and their
fans? And if thats the case why did he continually start in
the MLS week in week out? He's had major injury problems at
Fulham but was quality before that. Sure he needs to prove
himself again after he comes back but I have no doubt he will,
because he is quality.
Normo's coming home
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TouchMe, who said Elliott was New Zealands best ever
midfielder? The question was "class midfielders".
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best or class, either way i oubt his pedigree.
Question, is every player to make the prem league class?
or has there been a lucky few to have been given a chance
somehow. Elliott, has looked good at fulham when playing yes, but i
suspect that's more to do with who is around him as much as
anything else.
Im glad to see a kiwi go that far, i just find it humerous
that a player so badly bagged over the years is now a national
footballing hero, considered to be class.
A handful of prem appearence by him show how fickle our
support is, i said he was poo before he went to the epl, and
largely i still think that, a couple more solid performances and
i'll continue to soften my view. Others chang it as readily as
their underwear.
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i just find it humerous that a player so badly bagged over the
years is now a national footballing hero, considered to be
class.
Sounds like you are the only one bagging him. Why are you
making assumptions about other peoples opinions based on YOUR
'fickle' (using your words) one?
you really don't substanciate what you say.
You said he wasn't good for AW's, but is at Fulham due to
the calibre of his team mates. Doesn't that show true ability when
you can compete at the higher level rather than crash and
burn?
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Yes, but a handful of appearences is not worth ranting about or is
it, hey, we keep talking up Danny Hay though.
Not rated, yes when i talk about that i am refering to the
footballing public I know. People have bagged him, me included,
obviously.Its just i dont change my opinions at a whim.
Others played in the same all white squad as he did and never
looked as bad as him, so that means little.
Why do you rate him... i know, because he plays in the prem,
go support Chelsea, they've got really good players from all other
the world that cost heaps. Reps mean nothing, i based it on the
performances i've seen, and prior to Fulham nothing he did made me
go wow, this guys got the goods.
Maybe you ould enlighten me about such instances.
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Candidate MLS Rookie of year 1999
MVP at LA Galaxy 2000.
Won MLS in 2002.
Captain of Crew 2005.
More than 50 AW caps (select few)
not sure if you or your friends saw all those
games.
Founder
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Plus a member of Yellow Fever... and regular poster I believe.
Chris James surely has the potential to become one of our
best... Every game he plays in the white shirt he stands out.
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Does he!? What is is username - I would love to PM him
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All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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he must be doing something right if hes in the EPL...if he wasnt up
to it he would have been cut/sold by now.
on another note, how about Aaran Lines?
on another note, how about Aaran Lines?
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Why Touchme say that Simon Elliot couldn't even make the All Whites team as a fact implying he wasn't very good. Using this in your argument. Then say reps mean nothing in a later post. You are now saying that your earlier post means absolutly nothing.
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reps as in reputations mean for little, people say sh*t about
themselves and others all the time and it means nothing.
That is what i mean, just because someone plays for a decent
club doesn't mean they are decent themselves.
Thus my post still stands 
I base my opinion on what i've seen.
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arron was class..... just sh*tting, i don't wwant to start any more
arguements.
I still rate vicelich as our number 1 midfielder.
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I have always been a fan of Elliot so he would be my choice.
Enjoyed watching him play at LA Galaxy whenever they were on TV.
Haven't seen alot of Vicelich but from what i have he is a pretty
good player. But Elliot is for me the classiest.
I didn't think Elliot had the best of reputations over his
career when he was dropped from the All Whites but he has rebuilt
it himself by proving in the games he has played with Fulham how
good of a player he is.
Elliot is so classy hes got his own cartoon on fridays in the
afternoon. Vicelich beat that.
chrfit2007-07-09 01:16:00
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