I was wondering why Daniel who has the NZ citizenship since december 2008 cannot play for the AWs? On wikipedia it says that his eligibility to play the world cup is subject to clearance by fifa, but is there any specific rule on that??
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Ouch...two more years to wait before being able to play with the AWs.At that time he would 32 or 33 years old, maybe he will never play for the national team...
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Next world cup in Brazil would be special for him. I remember mentioning this to him and he was very excited at the prospect.
But yes he will be getting on a bit and will need to stay in pretty good form over a number of years.
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Why do people always use wikipedia as a source?
Allegedly
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Why is this in 'Kiwi Players Overseas'?
Needs to be in 'Former Brazilian Players Overseas who are now Kiwis playing at home'.
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Not if you believe the knitting circle.
He's now Former Brazilian Players Overseas who are now Kiwis playing in Australia and abandoning the New Zealand game'
He's now Former Brazilian Players Overseas who are now Kiwis playing in Australia and abandoning the New Zealand game'
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I don't hover round that circle so haven't heard those rumours.. enlighten me.
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It's related to how the Phoenix (and crowds) are about supporting Australian football and that the Phoenix should be left to rot so we can all support the 'coalface' that is the NZFC.
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Oh right that old one. Thought there was rumours of him moving to a different club or something. Glad it's just that rubbish.
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Not if you believe the knitting circle.
He's now Former Brazilian Players Overseas who are now Kiwis playing in Australia and abandoning the New Zealand game'
He's now Former Brazilian Players Overseas who are now Kiwis playing in Australia and abandoning the New Zealand game'
ACFC Knitting Circle - some other thread in the Phoenix section (about crowds at games I think)
I've met Daniel a few times and he strikes me as an honest former Brazilian player overseas who is now a kiwi playing in Australia and abandoning the NZ game.
I would gladly get his phone number and ring him up just to check it out...
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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In addition to Daniel who would be eligible to play for NZ there are 3 australian players at the phoenix who could be eligible to play for NZ in 2012 and 2013 just ahaed 2014 WC:
Vince Lia and Daniel in 2012
Andrew Durante and Troy Hearfield in 2013
There are five Wellington Phoenix players in the New Zealand squad in South Africa. By the next World Cup, the club may provide other less obvious contenders for selection.
In two or three years, Brazilian import Daniel and several of the club's Australians will be eligible to represent New Zealand if still at the Phoenix.
To represent a country, a player, or one of his parents or grandparents must have been born there, or he must have lived there at least five years. The residency requirement used to be only two years but was extended by Fifa in 2008.
So Daniel and Vince Lia will be eligible in 2012, followed by Andrew Durante and Troy Hearfield in 2013. Lia and Durante extended their Phoenix contracts last year to 2012 and 2013 respectively.
Durante was named in the Australian squad for an Asian Cup qualifier against Indonesia in February but didn't play, so he could still switch, should he not represent the Socceroos in the next three years.
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Another phoenix player who would be eligible to play next WC with the AWs is Reece Crowther if he stays untils 2014 in Wellington
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Another phoenix player who would be eligible to play next WC with the AWs is Reece Crowther if he stays untils 2014 in Wellington
I don't think I could handle seeing Crowther in an All Whites top.
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And Hearfield. But why would these guys choose us over Australia just because they've lived here a few years.
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... bc they dont get picked for the socceroos would be a start
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Both would be great additions. But I don't want them to represent NZ if they're just going to leave the Phoenix straight after. If they continue living in New Zealand for a decent amount of time then sure. Isn't Durante even eligible too?
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They are not kiwis and shouldn't play for the AWs, I would have no pride in a team of adopted aussies
Anyway I've moved this because it's in the wrong thread
james dean2010-08-05 20:44:12Normo's coming home
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Both would be great additions. But I don't want them to represent NZ if they're just going to leave the Phoenix straight after. If they continue living in New Zealand for a decent amount of time then sure. Isn't Durante even eligible too?
Yes he is eligible as long as he doesn t any minute with australian national team:
Vince Lia and Daniel in 2012
Andrew Durante and Troy Hearfield in 2013
Reece Crowther 2014
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They are not kiwis and shouldn't play for the AWs, I would have no pride in a team of adopted aussies
Anyway I've moved this because it's in the wrong thread
Potentially more kiwi than Michael McGlinchey!
I don't really care - if they feel like Kiwis and want to play for New Zealand and they improve the team, then get them in there. Better players will lead to better results.
Don't particularly want to go down the track of what a 'kiwi' is - but as far as I'm concerned, if they want to put on the white jersey, and give it a fair crack, then that's good enough for me.
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I think they really have to feel something. You can tell Daniel really loves the country, and at least has a real desire to be 'kiwi'.
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I think they really have to feel something. You can tell Daniel really loves the country, and at least has a real desire to be 'kiwi'.
Good point, I'm just not sure how you go about measuring whether they 'feel' enough to be a Kiwi, and therefore get the nod to play for the All Whites. Do you give them a test on New Zealand general knowledge? Do you make them sing the national anthem?
I think anyone who decides against playing for the nation of their birth (however small the odds of being selected) must feel something about their new nation.
Paulinho2010-08-06 15:22:58
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And Hearfield. But why would these guys choose us over Australia just because they've lived here a few years.
Well i remember Durante saying he loves Wellington, and how its more than just a club, its a new home. When asked if he could ever represent NZ, he didnt say no.
Obviously he would love to play for Aus but im sure he could be tempted to play for the AWs
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I think they really have to feel something. You can tell Daniel really loves the country, and at least has a real desire to be 'kiwi'.
Good point, I'm just not sure how you go about measuring whether they 'feel' enough to be a Kiwi, and therefore get the nod to play for the All Whites. Do you give them a test on New Zealand general knowledge? Do you make them sing the national anthem?
I think anyone who decides against playing for the nation of their birth (however small the odds of being selected) must feel something about their new nation.
It isn't something as tangible as that. It's an attitude and desire that you can see in their behaviour.
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I think they really have to feel something. You can tell Daniel really loves the country, and at least has a real desire to be 'kiwi'.
Good point, I'm just not sure how you go about measuring whether they 'feel' enough to be a Kiwi, and therefore get the nod to play for the All Whites. Do you give them a test on New Zealand general knowledge? Do you make them sing the national anthem?
I think anyone who decides against playing for the nation of their birth (however small the odds of being selected) must feel something about their new nation.
It isn't something as tangible as that. It's an attitude and desire that you can see in their behaviour.
I do agree - if they show the right desire to play for New Zealand, then I don't care if they were born on Mars, and lived on Jupiter until they were 25.
I guess I'm more wondering in what form this desire needs to take for Ricki and the fans to think - yep, this bloke wants to do his best for New Zealand. I'm very confident that most people would see Daniel and Durante's love of this city and country, so would we take them and no one else? It is a tricky one.
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I think Vince Lia is pretty happy and loving the country as well. Hearfield, not quite sure.
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I think one of the reasons that some footballers want to play for NZ is that they know they have no chance to play for their country of birth.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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They are not kiwis and shouldn't play for the AWs, I would have no pride in a team of adopted aussies
Anyway I've moved this because it's in the wrong thread
Potentially more kiwi than Michael McGlinchey!
I don't really care - if they feel like Kiwis and want to play for New Zealand and they improve the team, then get them in there. Better players will lead to better results.
Don't particularly want to go down the track of what a 'kiwi' is - but as far as I'm concerned, if they want to put on the white jersey, and give it a fair crack, then that's good enough for me.
Purely my personal view but I am completely against players being naturalised for the national team when the only reason they came to NZ is to play for the Phoenix.
I see international football as a test of each country's football "system" going head to head. Naturalising players in that way goes against my view of international football. If a player is born in NZ like McGlinchey, or lives in NZ with family like Smith well I count that as a lucky break. But just grabbing cast off aussies who are only here because of employment - I would not have anywhere near the same passion for that team.
Normo's coming home
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If there good enough and fit the residential criteria then pick em. It happens in everyother code. why should it be different here.
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If there good enough and fit the residential criteria then pick em. It happens in everyother code. why should it be different here.
Good call, a certain Netball captain (who played for the Yarpees first!), numerous rugby/league players, basketballers and a few cricketers definitely fall into this group.
I think football doesn't capitalise on this enough and for the naysayers, look how many poms were in the AWs in 82 all because they were brought here to play in the old National League.
Another good example is John Tambouras. He played long enough in NZ to become an AW (I've heard rumours he was approached too) but chose to not go down this path.
As far as I'm concerned if Dura, Hearfield, Lia etc. want to represent NZ then why not if they are eligible and form/ability is good enough.
(by the way I can name 2 current Aussies that should be wearing a Fern instead of a roo so it works both ways).
disco_mart2010-08-10 03:29:59
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
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They can keep Archie Thompson.
He is not a current player.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Recent enough. Tell us then, who are these 'current' players?
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Jade North. Well, he'd have been eligible for us anyway I think.
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Spot on, North and Thompson (yeah hasn't been in the last squads I know). Both would walk into the AWs.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
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Spot on, North and Thompson (yeah hasn't been in the last squads I know).� Both would walk into the AWs.
After the AW's at the WC, I doubt it.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Spot on, North and Thompson (yeah hasn't been in the last squads I know).� Both would walk into the AWs.
After the AW's at the WC, I doubt it.
Over Brockie and Mulligan. There, done.
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