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terminator_x wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Desired future state of Competition Structures - see p. 20 and 21.

A League: 2 NZ teams (Wngtn Phoenix plus another Auckland based team, each having developmental teams playing in the ASB).

Whether you agree with it or not there is one of the key pieces in the ASBP puzzle: NZF see the A-League as being the top of the NZ football competition pyramid.

Quite a significant point that they are including the A-League within the scope of NZ's competition structure, rather than treating it as an exception.

I agree with that. It is a pragmatic reality.

Will be a meltdown amongst some in Australia if that happens - would love that.

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terminator_x wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Desired future state of Competition Structures - see p. 20 and 21.

A League: 2 NZ teams (Wngtn Phoenix plus another Auckland based team, each having developmental teams playing in the ASB).

Whether you agree with it or not there is one of the key pieces in the ASBP puzzle: NZF see the A-League as being the top of the NZ football competition pyramid.

Quite a significant point that they are including the A-League within the scope of NZ's competition structure, rather than treating it as an exception.

I agree with that. It is a pragmatic reality.

I, emphatically, disagree with it. 

  • It's out of NZF's control - FFA could cut us off whenever they like.
  • It sends the wrong message - no confidence in NZ's league.
  • Disrespectful to fans.

Would go on... And on... And on but I think you know my feelings on this.

PS Congratulations on writing a post without mentioning the pokies at least 473 times.

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alireggae wrote:

terminator_x wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Desired future state of Competition Structures - see p. 20 and 21.

A League: 2 NZ teams (Wngtn Phoenix plus another Auckland based team, each having developmental teams playing in the ASB).

Whether you agree with it or not there is one of the key pieces in the ASBP puzzle: NZF see the A-League as being the top of the NZ football competition pyramid.

Quite a significant point that they are including the A-League within the scope of NZ's competition structure, rather than treating it as an exception.

I agree with that. It is a pragmatic reality.

I, emphatically, disagree with it. 

  • It's out of NZF's control - FFA could cut us off whenever they like. Superstition
  • It sends the wrong message - no confidence in NZ's league. Professional over Amateur all day long. 
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Would go on... And on... And on but I think you know my feelings on this.

PS Congratulations on writing a post without mentioning the pokies at least 473 times.

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Royz wrote:

  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

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I don't know the history of governance in NZ football and whether something like they have announced today has happened before, but surely even announcing a plan like this and articulating a pretty clear vision is a good sign?

Looking from afar, it seems as if the new CEO is doing a pretty good job and is trying to at least develop a clear vision/strategy. How he implements it is then the next question. But at least anything they do need to try and finance now has a clear path, any potential sponsor can see how their involvement fits into the jigsaw. It's a positive piece of work, even if it is only the beginning.

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needs more meat than a couple of poms fresh off the boat speaking in recycled generalisations 

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3. Over the long term, strengthen the high performance supply pathway by ensuring football becomes stronger at the franchise and club level, so that a decentralised model (for talent development, high performance programs,academies etc.) evolves.

Regarding 3 above, the typical international player development model in professional football is club based. That is the national associations do not operate centralised high performance systems and programs. Professional clubs run the high performance part of the game around their needs, to be successful in highly competitive longitudinal competitions. National Associations select players from clubs for national teams as they need them.Football in New Zealand has been built domestically on the amateur game and the logical evolution has been to centralize high performance around the national squads. New Zealand Football’s vision is that football becomes stronger at franchise and club level, so that in future a decentralised model (for talent development, high performance programs, academies etc.)evolves, creating a more effective early player development system and ultimately improving the strength of the overall high performance system.

Which is fine in theory, but the overseas clubs that are developing talent to international level have significant resources available to do so.  Here in NZ the average club needs to run sausage sizzles to raise money for new junior kit or goals. 

Are NZF proposing that they help fund clubs to develop the players, or are they suggesting they cut FTC programmes and hope the clubs pickup the slack ?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, otherwise I'm reading this document as 'we need more more money, but want the clubs to develop players for us'...

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Feverish wrote:

needs more meat than a couple of poms fresh off the boat speaking in recycled generalisations 

Agreed!! There is enough of them coaching at Phoenix

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Doloras wrote:

Royz wrote:
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

Doubt there's that many left.....

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bopman wrote:

I don't know the history of governance in NZ football and whether something like they have announced today has happened before, but surely even announcing a plan like this and articulating a pretty clear vision is a good sign?

Looking from afar, it seems as if the new CEO is doing a pretty good job and is trying to at least develop a clear vision/strategy. How he implements it is then the next question. But at least anything they do need to try and finance now has a clear path, any potential sponsor can see how their involvement fits into the jigsaw. It's a positive piece of work, even if it is only the beginning.

Seriously. This is about the third one of these in the last 6 years.

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Whole of football anyone?

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That is different News. That is youth development.

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BrickTop wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Royz wrote:
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

Doubt there's that many left.....

Yeah, so I see the general public holds their own national league in just as high regard as NZF.

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Do you need a Brit passport to be part of the new love in btwn NZF and the nix ? Martin, Sherman, Hudson, Merrick, Hedge, Ibrom....
Must try harder
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Not like its never been done before ....

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Doloras wrote:

Royz wrote:
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

Prefer the beer tent myself. (JM aged 94 and 1/2)

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Doloras wrote:

Royz wrote:
  • Disrespectful to fans. What fans?

Fifteen middle-aged white men standing in a shed in Sandringham.

Please take time to answer this ....

Doloras knows whats happening at Kiwitea Str because:

1] She's there every week 

2]She's a huge ACFC fan [ and always has been ]

3] She's psychic 

4] She can count 

actually none of these seem right , all better replies accepted gratefully ...

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Global Game wrote:
Do you need a Brit passport to be part of the new love in btwn NZF and the nix ? Martin, Sherman, Hudson, Merrick, Hedge, Ibrom....

Global Game....go to your room!!!!!

Don't you know that Brit is better.......

This was covered in a couple of pods last month. All the AW coaches, Nix coaches, Junior NZ football coaches are Brits....also there is only one kiwi coaching at ASB level. If you are a  kiwi coach don't bother about putting your hand up in NZ.

This is fantastic because we know how successful the "British method" of playing is, internationally. This is sarcasm by the way. You kind of wonder if loads of Brit coaches head out to the colonies because they get squeezed out domestically by Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese etc coaches who actually know how to coach the modern game. Nationality should not matter but its been shown that the Brit coach development system is a disaster. If kiwis are not good enough I would have no problems seeing a better mix of coaches.....a few Dutchies, Spaniards would be a nice change

(I don't include Hudson in this....he has a refreshing international coaching perspective)

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2ndBest wrote:

That is different News. That is youth development.

 

Umm, it certainly is not just youth development.

Or were you being sarcastic?

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Thu, 04 Dec 2014 9:16a.m.

New Zealand Football chief executive Andy Martin joins the show to discuss the organisation’s new ‘Beyond Football’ high performance blueprint, which was unveiled yesterday.

http://www.radiolivesport.co.nz/Andy-Martin/tabid/454/articleID/21547/Default.aspx

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Football makes further gains

New Executive Committee member elections comprised:

President Deryck Shaw

Vice President Michael Anderson

New members Caroline Beaumont Scott Moran

Existing members Mark Aspden Philip Barry Paul Cochrane Suzanne Griffin

In addition, the Congress approved the election of Garth Galloway as the new Honorary President.

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NZF...

Please (in future) don't schedule your national camps the week of the quarterfinals of your own knockout cup...

Are you trying to seriously injure your future stars before they can even pull on the fern???

The women's quarters were on this weekend... The same weekend of the NZ U17 and U20 camps...

Sigh...

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NZF -

Change required. Now.

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How? Do we have to do what Australia did, dissolve the whole operation and start from scratch?

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Doloras wrote:

How? Do we have to do what Australia did, dissolve the whole operation and start from scratch?

You can't win. Learn to enjoy the humour of it.

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Andy Martin TO DO List

  1. Ring that headhunter in London
  2. Announce that after a comprehensive review, the national league will continue it its present format for the forseeable future
  3. Sack Hudson
  4. Sack Fred
  5. Apologise to Jose
  6. Go on leave, day before U17 World Cup bombshell drops. All questions will be handled by David at OFC. For local angle speak to Sam, Steve, Kev
  7. Tell Ivan to apply for my job, but not to wear skinny trou and pointy shoes...and get a haircut, son
  8. Is it too late to get on the 2015 Rugby World Cup jobs bandwagon?
  9. Ring that headhunter in London
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The irony of this is that a lot of these 'stuff ups' seem to be made by 'football' people - the very type that Fallon seems to want.

If I were to generalise for a moment, I can recall when the CEO call went out, there seemed to be a feeling amongst the old guard that this person should know football. To be fair to Martin, I think he fronts the media well and has generally made the right moves while he has been running the ship but its the people under him that seem to consistently drop him in it in one form or another. Most of those people are 'football people' it would seem.

Perhaps we NZF needs to be more business orientated as opposed to football orientated and can do the job correctly 1st as opposed to with the eye on football 1st.

Again, I generalise but thats the impression I seem to get when I look at it.

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Well if we get booted out of the U-17's as well then we'll get to see what he's made of. 

#accountability

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My hope is that we have someone (whether it be Martin or not doesn't overly concern me) who has the skills and desire to lead and transform NZF into a modern, successful sporting organisation, considering our sporting environment and physical location. In my opinion, it is not a 3 year job for people passing through.

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Our players deserve better then this! They have been treated like shark for so long by NZF. Change is needed. 

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Seems to me (as an outsider) a lot of the issues are around internal processes and capability (I may be biased as it's kinda what I do) and a lack of engagement or buy-in for people to want/need to do better. The "this is what we do because this is what we've done" mentality which is fine in an area where there is little/no change or need for interpretation or initiative (or an assumption of common sense).

This is not at all uncommon in organisations where people come from disparate, often community focused backgrounds into a central organisation which lacks leadership and identity. Often, people also come from places where they're used to being in "control" of their wee patch and can tend to become quite protective and defensive, which leads to am unwillingness to change and adapt.

In the case of NZF, this seems to have been exacerbated by the relatively high staff turnover so that the end result is "we don't know what we're doing". And there's nobody for them to lean on so those in leadership roles have little institutional knowledge to call on, leading to poor decisions.

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SurgeQld wrote:

Seems to me (as an outsider) a lot of the issues are around internal processes and capability (I may be biased as it's kinda what I do) and a lack of engagement or buy-in for people to want/need to do better. The "this is what we do because this is what we've done" mentality which is fine in an area where there is little/no change or need for interpretation or initiative (or an assumption of common sense).

This is not at all uncommon in organisations where people come from disparate, often community focused backgrounds into a central organisation which lacks leadership and identity. Often, people also come from places where they're used to being in "control" of their wee patch and can tend to become quite protective and defensive, which leads to am unwillingness to change and adapt.

In the case of NZF, this seems to have been exacerbated by the relatively high staff turnover so that the end result is "we don't know what we're doing". And there's nobody for them to lean on so those in leadership roles have little institutional knowledge to call on, leading to poor decisions.

Umm.. Martin & Hudson came in as outsiders, sure. But wasn't Fred DJ a vice president of OFC before he became entrusted with off-field team issues as NZF High Performance Director?

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

Umm.. Martin & Hudson came in as outsiders, sure. But wasn't Fred DJ a vice president of OFC before he became entrusted with off-field team issues as NZF High Performance Director?

Was reference more to the back office staff - besides which, few Chiefs know the day to day workings of the Indians. I don't profess to be an expert on NZF - purely an observation as an outsider.
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Well my observation as an outsider is that it seems the height of irony that the guy who was presumably responsible for vetting NZF player eligibility was once vice president of the very organisation that has now denied us Olympic (and possibly WC U-17) finals action.

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

Well my observation as an outsider is that it seems the height of irony that the guy who was presumably responsible for vetting NZF player eligibility was once vice president of the very organisation that has now denied us Olympic (and possibly WC U-17) finals action.

Agreed - but what did he actually DO?... Seemingly eff-all.
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Welnix could do a way better job managing at NZF level then the current muppets. Introducing an attractive style of football for our national team using a balance of current and younger players - all eligible to play as well.

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Reports in UK saying the FA is set to axe 300 of their current 900 staff. Expect more Pommie accents.
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Doloras wrote:

How? Do we have to do what Australia did, dissolve the whole operation and start from scratch?

Seems to have worked for them. But then, they do not have a mentality that an English accent is a substitute for proven competence when it comes to running a football organisation. 

Incidentally, a few of their(FFA that is) CEOs  came from a non-football background, but from a decent sport management background in their own country (NRL, AFL, NRL again).  Did not seem to have harmed them, and they've mostly avoided any amateurish stuff-ups.

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Jeff Vader wrote:

The irony of this is that a lot of these 'stuff ups' seem to be made by 'football' people - the very type that Fallon seems to want.

(----)

Perhaps we NZF needs to be more business orientated as opposed to football orientated and can do the job correctly 1st as opposed to with the eye on football 1st. Again, I generalise but thats the impression I seem to get when I look at it.

That was also my point precisely.

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