Off topic to the rest of the posts but anyone got the starting 11?
Football Ferns
Off topic to the rest of the posts but anyone got the starting 11?
Haven't been following this as much as others to be fair, but what separates Heraf from Hudson's dire tactics, especially when Huddo was playing far worse sides? Why did Hudson get nowhere near the uproar over four years that Heraf is getting after one game?
Of course Heraf did come out and say that we don't have the same quality that Japan has but to be honest I don't have much of a problem with that because it's true. I have a problem with playing horrible negative football, but we can't forget that's something we endured for four years and not a single person in the media spoke up about it.
Also the 8-0 comments are pretty offensive but I'm willing to take the benefit of the doubt and assume he got lost in translation/didn't mean to be so harsh. Can't help but feel this is a big overreaction. Not to mention having players literally retire because they don't like tactics. Where's the pride? If he's really not willing to change his mindset and shark tactics just sack him and move on
Well its the context of everything.
Firstly he is the NZF Technical Director. NZF 7 or 8 years ago put in place the WoF plan which was designed to improve the quality of players and football. I remember speaking to Rob Sherman and others on a coaching course about the WoF and its ideas. Ive mentioned this before but one of the big driving factors was that FIFA had never once in any of its technical reports after tournaments spoke of NZ teams or players other than in terms of being fit and organised. After every FIFA tournament there is a technical report done on all teams who took part. Never once has a single player ever been mentioned as having been technically gifted etc. John Herdmans assistant at the time told me that it was a major ambition of the WoF to change that.
The FF arent at the same level as Japan, no problem with that but in recent years we have got credible results without playing such negative football. The FF have stalled in the last 3 or 4 years and maybe thats because we reached a ceiling with respect to the ability of the players involved.
However the Technical Director approached a game with a tactic, mindset and intent that is the absolute opposite of what all NZF coaching courses are asking coaches of juniors, youth, school, club, federation and academy to try and do.
There is no over reaction here, its a direct opposition to an approach taken by the very person who is supposed to lead our football direction which is heading in the opposite direction of NZF's intended desires.
Players retiring because of this shows a huge amount of pride as far as Im concerned, its a protest at the lack of understanding of our desires and mindset as a sports nation by our very own Technical Director.
I hated Hudson but his approach was never this awful so maybe thats why there wasnt as strong a reaction from the media. Also the FF have over the last decade or more made huge steps forward and this is frankly a huge step backwards. Also Hudson wasnt our Technical Director, his job wasnt to guide the development of all footballers in NZ.
The rumblings around the FF over the last couple of months was an indication of what we might see and for me its worse than I expected. My faith because of this is in the players, they did warn us.
Great points there, makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks! I tend to disagree with Erceg's retirement though, to me it screams entitlement and a "I'll get what I want" attitude which is very rare in NZ sports. Nobody retired from the NZ league team when David Kidwell fudgeed everything up
no they all just played for Tonga instead
One upside I can see from the Heraf FF coaching debacle is that it's happened now, and not a few years down the road when he'd had more time to really stuff up the development of football in this country.
I wouldn't put it past Declan Edge to get his kids to turn down call-ups.
Prophet
So if any Ole players get chosen for a NZ aged grade team which would no doubt be a dream for most Ole kids, Declan Edge is going to stand over them and make them reject selection? Surley not that would be heart breaking for any kid.
Sceptic
So if any Ole players get chosen for a NZ aged grade team which would no doubt be a dream for most Ole kids, Declan Edge is going to stand over them and make them reject selection? Surley not that would be heart breaking for any kid.
Sceptic
Field of (broken) dreams
Why is NZF organising a friendly against Japan in June in Wellington when our next important games are the World Cup qualifying games are in New Caledonia in November against Tonga, Cook Island, TBD, how did that help prepare?
Why are we complaining about the negative play of the coach who two years was the coach in the 0-0 park the bus bore draw between Austria U-20 and Argentina U-20 at the Cake Tin that proceeded the NZ U-20 - Myanmar U-20 5-1 thriller, that led to Austria making the round of 16 and sending Argentina home. Austria then going on to lose 2-0 Uzbekistan of all teams in the round of 16. This isn't new, this was there for all to see two years ago.
If we want to proceed deep into a tournament then there are going to be times we have to defend a lead or defend a point and what Sunday showed is we aren't capable. We had three central defenders that could not keep track of one mobile striker, two fullbacks that did not have the fitness to tear up and down the sidelines all day, an ageing immobile striker that was not able to get on the end of long balls and hold the ball up, and a midfield that was not able to break up play and transition from defence to attack.
Complete with photo
https://www.fifa.com/u20worldcup/matches/round=271...
but hey, they got to the round of 16 and Argentina didn't.
Here are some pre match quotes from captain Amber Hearn, I've lifted these from NZ footballs own website. I'm pissing myself.
“For the girls, it will be great to play there but, for me, it’s just another stadium and another game. The main thing for me is that it’s in front of all our families and friends so I’m sure everyone will want to play well and play to win and hopefully that’s what we go out and do.”
With nothing riding on the outcome from a result point of view, the friendly match gives both sides the chance to focus on taking steps towards their longer-term goals.
But Hearn says the New Zealand players certainly have the prospect of a first-ever win over the Nadeshiko at the forefront of their minds.
“No game is ever a friendly, I guess that’s how I see things. If you approach it that way then the results will show,” she says.
“Yes, Japan are a quality team and are technically fantastic but we’ve got a few things up our sleeve so I’m pretty sure it’s going to be a great game to watch.”
ha. obviously NZF media release before Heraf’s pre match whiteboard session. He would have been better off organising an attack v defence training session v any local team.
Football Ferns threaten mass exodus
No one on the record saying they're willing to quit but Burgess asserts that it's a significant number of them. Apparently there was a report written by a staff member on the Spain tour that hasn't been acted upon (Pickstock?) and the NZF board had a spirited meeting last week.
reading the papers this morning and it looks like there is pressure from a number of quarters within and without NZF. So often we dont really know what the truth is in these circumstances but Heraf puts none of that in doubt with his public outbursts. I would really like NZF to step up here and do the right thing, it will take balls to do that but it would raise their credibility greatly even though they made the appointment in the first place.
Football Ferns threaten mass exodus
No one on the record saying they're willing to quit but Burgess asserts that it's a significant number of them. Apparently there was a report written by a staff member on the Spain tour that hasn't been acted upon (Pickstock?) and the NZF board had a spirited meeting last week.
I believe that if five or six senior players said: 'he goes or we go', NZF would have to act to remove Heraf as FF coach.
And a significant no confidence vote from players should also mean his continuing role with NZF is untenable.
solidarity forever, and the Player's Association makes us strong
When Heraf took over the FF coaching role I was a bit disappointed that he hadn't taken the vacant AWs job.
My disappointment now is for our women who deserve a lot better. As does NZ football.
But don't despair, Handy Andy will sort it out. (Yeah, right.)
Football Ferns threaten mass exodus
No one on the record saying they're willing to quit but Burgess asserts that it's a significant number of them. Apparently there was a report written by a staff member on the Spain tour that hasn't been acted upon (Pickstock?) and the NZF board had a spirited meeting last week.
A player revolt... would be interesting to see how Martin spins that one!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...
This is going to get ugly.
I hope the players are listened to.
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
Martin has to act soon surely?
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
Martin has to act soon surely?
Statement from NZ Football
Statement from @NZ_Football RE @mikeburgess99 story that players have written to NZF to complain about Andreas Heraf pic.twitter.com/YZdnDVKQmB
— Radio Sport (@radiosportnz) June 18, 2018
Piney just said NZF to make statement tomorrow morning.
Unless he falls on his sword completely, I can see NZF statement only addressing Ferns issues; not the wider ‘chip and star’ philosophy that is ruining our best young footballers; and ridiculed by pretty everyone I’ve spoken to in the NZ football community.
Hopefully NZF board taking an active role.
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
Martin has to act soon surely?
Edge decides or is he suggesting this to his players? Looks like a cult from the outside.
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
Martin has to act soon surely?
Edge decides or is he suggesting this to his players? Looks like a cult from the outside.
Here are Declans words
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
Martin has to act soon surely?
Edge decides or is he suggesting this to his players? Looks like a cult from the outside.
No decision has been made yet, Edge says he has players coming to him asking to help get them out of National set up
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
Martin has to act soon surely?
Edge decides or is he suggesting this to his players? Looks like a cult from the outside.
No decision has been made yet, Edge says he has players coming to him asking to help get them out of National set up
This is reaching a reasonably entertaining breaking point, half looking forward to Martin's presser tomorrow, half really concerned he'll somehow not fire Heraf though.
I remember when this DOF role was advertised, and folks were requesting that NZF move away from having so many Brits in the organisation ie appoint a continental European.
I guess a dud is a dud no matter where they come from.
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
Martin has to act soon surely?
Edge decides or is he suggesting this to his players? Looks like a cult from the outside.
No decision has been made yet, Edge says he has players coming to him asking to help get them out of National set up
This is reaching a reasonably entertaining breaking point, half looking forward to Martin's presser tomorrow, half really concerned he'll somehow not fire Heraf though.
yeah was responding to number8's comment
NZF won't fire him, they'll probably back him up thats how much of a clue they have
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
Martin has to act soon surely?
Edge decides or is he suggesting this to his players? Looks like a cult from the outside.
No decision has been made yet, Edge says he has players coming to him asking to help get them out of National set up
This is reaching a reasonably entertaining breaking point, half looking forward to Martin's presser tomorrow, half really concerned he'll somehow not fire Heraf though.
If Heraf goes, does Martin find himself in an untenable position? Therefore firing Heraf is giving himself the archer. 1 + 1 = bury our heads deeper in the sand and hope it goes away
After the recent NZF board elections I think he's already close to being a dead man walking. He might actually get some credit if he accepts that Heraf isn't working out.
https://twitter.com/pineyzb/status/1008821485186764801?s=21
Piney about to interview Edge on Radio sport re Heraf and NZ U17/20s
Martin has to act soon surely?
Edge decides or is he suggesting this to his players? Looks like a cult from the outside.
Here are Declans words
Im 100% totally with Edge here. Everything I’ve ever seen or heard about Ole has been good and positive. Everything Ive ever seen or heard about Heraf has been bad and negative.
I don’t quite understand the argument about a particular playing style though.
I would expect developing players to be learning to tackle, to pass, to shut down, to hold and shield the ball, to pass and move, to cross, to shoot, to head, to play first time, to play with both feetetc.
Surely in any game, or part of a game, or when you change teams, you will need to adjust your style of play to suit . There is no one way of playing. If your game gets too predictable, its way to easy to play against you.
So I don’t understand why players should be taught to play one way in any case. The game changes, the opposition changes, your team changes, tactics will need to change.
However, what Heraf put up the other week was pathetic and cant be excused.
I really hope he goes now, because in my football experience self-belief and positivity can achieve a hell of a lot.
From this piece it appears that NZF are going against FIFA coaching directives
I don’t quite understand the argument about a particular playing style though.
I would expect developing players to be learning to tackle, to pass, to shut down, to hold and shield the ball, to pass and move, to cross, to shoot, to head, to play first time, to play with both feetetc.
Surely in any game, or part of a game, or when you change teams, you will need to adjust your style of play to suit . There is no one way of playing. If your game gets too predictable, its way to easy to play against you.
So I don’t understand why players should be taught to play one way in any case. The game changes, the opposition changes, your team changes, tactics will need to change.
A coherent and constant playing philosophy is absolutely vital to developing young footballers because they need to learn how to solve the problems they're faced with on the pitch. As Cruyff said, football is played with the brain, your legs are there to help you.
Once you know the basic technique of how to strike a football then the most powerful way to get better is to play the game, but the more touches and the more cognitive-technical challenges you face then the better you will get. This is why kids need to play inside a philosophy that encourages as many touches as possible. This has to go for training and for games, which is why rondos have worked so well at La Masia, they are a constantly tessellating, high-pace replica of what happens in a game but in a smaller space (directional rondos tend to replicate the whole pitch, non-directional replicate small areas).
A player with a good cognitive-technical ability will be able to go and learn a new coach's system because it isn't very hard to teach a team to play a particular way, especially if you have them full-time. The harder thing is giving young players a philosophy and tactics that helps them become smart players in the first place, but if you do that then they can play anywhere. Declan's players would all have failed as soon as they left Ole if that wasn't the case.
Im pretty sure Heraf wont be coach of the Ferns after tomorrow. The question is, is a that good enough retreat? Personally, I don't think so.
Andy Martin must be absolutely bricking it. Well, I assume he would if he actually gave a stuff.
I come back to the importation of foreign coaches. At some point we have to actually try one of our own in a senior coaching role. The more of this garbage we have to put up the clearer it becomes that we are being led up and down the garden path by some very very average foreign coaches and the requirement regarding coaching qualifications is a complete red herring. NZ does have a football culture and that needs to be reflected in our coaching appointments
Football Ferns bombshell: Coach Andreas Heraf set for suspension, enquiry to look into bullying allegations
I come back to the importation of foreign coaches. At some point we have to actually try one of our own in a senior coaching role. The more of this garbage we have to put up the clearer it becomes that we are being led up and down the garden path by some very very average foreign coaches and the requirement regarding coaching qualifications is a complete red herring. NZ does have a football culture and that needs to be reflected in our coaching appointments
The bit thats really weird about all of this is that within the WoF plan and all the coaches I know or have known who have been involved with it the type/style/philosophy/process of coaching and playing are seemingly a long way removed from the guy they employed as the DoF.
If we do take in a foreign coach to this sort of role then surely they need to follow the direction NZF decided to head down 6 or 7 years ago.
Fundamentally the WoF plan has a good backbone and there are of course issues within it that need tweaking etc but it was and still is a step in the right direction so just follow your own bloody plan NZF.
Also with respect to foreign coaches in NZ there does need to be a distinction made between a foreign coach who has just arrived and those who are throughly embedded in our football scene. The likes of Jose for example have made a life here, been totally involved in every area from coaching clubs, schools, federation and international level. He isnt a foreign coach to me.
I remember a few years ago one of our womens age group teams was off to a WC and the position of Assistant was advertised, one prominent and very successful local coach who had done every single course asked of him applied and was told he lacked experience. Stevie Baxter who had only arrived in NZ from Scotland a few months earlier was given the job.
Assistant coach at an age group WC is the perfect way and pathway to gain needed experience, surely this local coach should have got the nod for that reason alone.
There are tons of very good local coaches who can be integrated into the international systems and NZF does have plenty of support resources available to help those coaches.
I have no problem with a high level foreign coach taking on the DoF role if they are in line with NZF's own WoF and whats actually being done here in NZ via the various academies and quality coaching ideas being pursued. We need a DoF who's main motivation is to assist the coaches get better and to drive the types of technical and skill work we need.
Football Ferns bombshell: Coach Andreas Heraf set for suspension, enquiry to look into bullying allegations
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...
#HerafOut and I really think it's time on Martin too; he's neck deep in this shark.
Football Ferns bombshell: Coach Andreas Heraf set for suspension, enquiry to look into bullying allegations
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?...
#HerafOut and I really think it's time on Martin too; he's neck deep in this shark.
Well Martin backed him and appears to have ignored other rumblings including a member of staff report of trouble after the Spain trip