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You also have to take in the past problems under him
- Eligibility saga
- Rivalism/Peru Supporters farce
- TV rights for National League (gave all rights away to Sky)
- Peru away tickets saga
- Alex Jones transfer
- Comet
don't want to defend him here but you can't really put TV rights in as a problem - we have football regularly on TV which we never did before he was here. The deal might not be the best, but we are very much beggars when it comes to getting football on TV.
Everything else is valid, just don't think you can put TV rights in as a problem
Sure and I took this from the Andy Martin where I posted it that had a good and a bad side, and the TV rights are on the good side as well, in the fact that we do have the National League games on TV, but really it is an incredibly dumb mistake by NZ Football to give away all the rights to the coverage meaning none of the teams can use it on social media to promote their games. Sky has full say over it all.
Yes, but the national league hadn't been on TV (besides a couple games) since they used to do those NZFC highlights packages years ago. NZF were in absolutely no position to try and bargain with Sky - if they hadn't accepted the terms then Sky would pull the pin on any coverage.
Consider both sides before calling it an "incredibly dumb mistake"; because an even bigger mistake would've been trying to demand greater rights, only for the coverage to be pulled completely. IMO there is no way you can say that the TV rights deal was a negative at all, when looking at the bigger picture
Except NZ football and the clubs had coverage and ability to use the rights then when negotiations came up again it appears they gave away all rights to the coverage. I don't know about you but I'm sure clubs aren't happy to be paying $30,000 each to not be able to use any of the footage. Also again in the other thread having it on TV is in the plus column under Martins time at NZ football, this part of it is just stupid though.
In the end, it's just part of a bigger picture of failures under Martin anyway.
Given the rights to one media company is pretty standard and it's not like there are companies lining up for a piece of the ISPS Handa premiership. Also I have heard via a couple of clubs that Sky are very difficult to deal with. Also if the clubs were really really unhappy with it they could say they weren't going to pay the $25k and we could go back to having no TV games at all
As you've pointed out there is already an extensive list of failures under Martin. But if you put that list to NZF they'd jump on the TV point and make a thing of how its seen as a success as the measure is that we didn't have any football on TV before.
100% spot on. NZF had no bargaining power, Sky are greedy and care mainly just for Rugby (ie. The WC is on their 4th sports channel, whilst ITM cup, Super Rugby and Test matches are exclusively on their 1st sports channel - this does matter as some channels (such as SS4) are not available in certain packages, whilst SS1 is available in every package). Indicating they have little desire to broadcast football.
I imagine NZF are very happy that their league is getting reasonable exposure, compared to basically nothing 5 years ago, as am I. I don't know if you followed the NZFC and the state of the national league over the years, but if you have you would find the introduction of live televised games as nothing but a positive and a step forward.
Alright, lets try this one more time:
1 - I said having it on TV is a good thing
2 - Its only part of a problem under Martin
But clubs can't just choose not to pay the money for TV, they had to pay that money to NZ Football but they are unhappy with how it was being used and what they got for it. I don't have a problem with NZ Football getting it on tv, I think that is great, but it went backwards last year, clubs couldn't use the footage, the footage that used to be put up on You Tube turned into a 5 min goal highlight package instead of 5-10 mins for each game. I'm sure Sky are hard to bargain with, but I'm not sure how this went backwards is a complete win for NZF.
Now lastly, you all seem to want to argue this one point, great that is your opinion and choice to do so. I however was listed what I saw as problems under Martin and I feel that is one of them. They didn't get a good deal and I don't believe it was this or nothing.