Football Ferns

Yes, but the national league hadn't been on TV (besides a couple games) since they used to do those NZFC highlights packages years ago. NZF were in absolutely no position to try and bargain with Sky - if they hadn't accepted the terms then Sky would pull the pin on any coverage. 

Consider both sides before calling it an "incredibly dumb mistake"; because an even bigger mistake would've been trying to demand greater rights, only for the coverage to be pulled completely. IMO there is no way you can say that the TV rights deal was a negative at all, when looking at the bigger picture

Except NZ football and the clubs had coverage and ability to use the rights then when negotiations came up again it appears they gave away all rights to the coverage. I don't know about you but I'm sure clubs aren't happy to be paying $30,000 each to not be able to use any of the footage. Also again in the other thread having it on TV is in the plus column under Martins time at NZ football, this part of it is just stupid though. 

In the end, it's just part of a bigger picture of failures under Martin anyway. 

What a shambles on so many fronts ! But I must say it looks like a witch hunt to have Heraf removed. Initiated by the players but the media have jumped all over it without really having any facts. 

Talk about player power. Looks like Heraf may have given a few home truths to players and they could not cope with that.

Im a kiwi myself but the culture is all wrong at the top level.

However NZF do not like the truth. The reason the culture never gets better is because everyone tells each other what they want to hear.

Heraf has a very good CV but now all this comes out ! 

What a shambles on so many fronts ! But I must say it looks like a witch hunt to have Heraf removed. Initiated by the players but the media have jumped all over it without really having any facts. 

Talk about player power. Looks like Heraf may have given a few home truths to players and they could not cope with that.

Im a kiwi myself but the culture is all wrong at the top level.

However NZF do not like the truth. The reason the culture never gets better is because everyone tells each other what they want to hear.

Heraf has a very good CV but now all this comes out ! 

Given the rights to one media company is pretty standard and it's not like there are companies lining up for a piece of the ISPS Handa premiership. Also I have heard via a couple of clubs that Sky are very difficult to deal with. Also if the clubs were really really unhappy with it they could say they weren't going to pay the $25k and we could go back to having no TV games at all

As you've pointed out there is already an extensive list of failures under Martin. But if you put that list to NZF they'd jump on the TV point and make a thing of how its seen as a success as the measure is that we didn't have any football on TV before.

What a shambles on so many fronts ! But I must say it looks like a witch hunt to have Heraf removed. Initiated by the players but the media have jumped all over it without really having any facts. 

Talk about player power. Looks like Heraf may have given a few home truths to players and they could not cope with that.

Im a kiwi myself but the culture is all wrong at the top level.

However NZF do not like the truth. The reason the culture never gets better is because everyone tells each other what they want to hear.

Heraf has a very good CV but now all this comes out ! 

Can't hear any of it. Are they addressing Heraf's coaching philosophy vis a vis WOF strategy?

100% spot on. NZF had no bargaining power, Sky are greedy and care mainly just for Rugby (ie. The WC is on their 4th sports channel, whilst ITM cup, Super Rugby and Test matches are exclusively on their 1st sports channel - this does matter as some channels (such as SS4) are not available in certain packages, whilst SS1 is available in every package). Indicating they have little desire to broadcast football.

I imagine NZF are very happy that their league is getting reasonable exposure, compared to basically nothing 5 years ago, as am I. I don't know if you followed the NZFC and the state of the national league over the years, but if you have you would find the introduction of live televised games as nothing but a positive and a step forward.

If the terms of reference by EXCO and NZPFA are limited to Ferns issues, it fails to address Heraf's apparent philosophical inability as Technical Director to implement WOF (which I assume is still part of NZF strategy). The issues raised by Edge and plenty of other coaches and elite players in the junior and youth space should be part of this review too.

If T.O.F is limited to Ferns issues, is it not feasible he could be removed from Ferns role, and stay in TD role - which is why he was originally employed? The uproar on junior/youth issues is there, but has yet to be made public from those players/coaches due to fear.

They didn't get a good deal and I don't believe it was this or nothing.

Thats awful advice for an 8 year old

Something that stood out to me is that Martin said staff members were just being "too close" to players when it came to encouraging them not to complain. The report I saw suggested that it was several players contacted by multiple staff members. Does Martin really expect us to believe that this happened to naturally come up in multiple conversations between Ferns and NZF staff?

Not surprised by this about Heraf. 

I lived in Austria for 2 months. 

Austrians have a different mentality to New Zealanders. 

Very authoritarian, disciplinarian, stick to the rules types. 

They would never say "she'll be right" or "no worries".

I disagree. If Sky were so accommodating and willing to budge then the national league would've been on TV years ago. The fact that the world cup is being played on their 4th most accessible sports channel supports this, as does the loss of EPL rights. They simply dont give a shark about football

Also, if it wasn't this deal or nothing, why on earth would NZF take the offer? If they could get greater rights, then they would - common sense. Unless it resulted in a greater cost (very likely), which NZF and the clubs do not have the money for 

can we take the Sky chat elsewhere?

Before we were losing 14 nil and now it's 5 nil so children are that much happier

Before we were losing 14 nil and now it's 5 nil so children are that much happier

sorry can you explain the 4th most accesabile sports channel?  i'm not following

If a team of 8 year olds  is losing 14 nil its not because of passes across the goal or to midfield from defenders, its most likely  because of technique and skill needing improving, your advice is simply an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff. It is awful advice.

If the terms of reference by EXCO and NZPFA are limited to Ferns issues, it fails to address Heraf's apparent philosophical inability as Technical Director to implement WOF (which I assume is still part of NZF strategy). The issues raised by Edge and plenty of other coaches and elite players in the junior and youth space should be part of this review too.

He will be gone from both I'd imagine. Sanitising the report to Martin would be enough in itself to give him the Spanish archer. 

Many hotels/motels and bars throughout the country in the past have offered Sky, only for it to be limited to SS1 and SM1 or occassionally SS1/2 and SM1/2 as well as a selection of other channels. I am unsure what this package is, but considering SS1 can be accessed on all platforms ive come across (while SS3+ hasnt) indicates it is a more accessible channel. 

I am unsure why this is, or what the package is. Being involved with Sky, as I have interpreted you are, you may be able to shed some light on this?

Yep I am done too just clarifying!

Andy is out

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/105116040/new-zealand-football-chief-executive-andy-martin-resigns

The 'you can't leave the table until you're excused' story sounds bizarre, so much so that I can't help thinking there is more to the story [perhaps he wanted a quick word with the whole team before they headed off to bed or whatever!!!!].

The whole bullying thing might be quite subjective too. Many coaches and sports [although I suspect not as many as there once was] shout at players and put them under pressure. A lot of young people don't like that and I don't believe [myself] its the best way to get the best out of people - but I have seen athletes that actually thrive under that sort of pressure. If anyone saw the fly on the wall documentary about the Warriors this year - you would of seen a coach [Kearney] that didn't hold back. Comments like "if you do that again I'll kick your fudgeing ass" I think in today's age, that would be classed as bullying.

I know its all about to come out but maybe when the dust as settled, a discussion about what does or doesn't amount to bullying in the semi/professional sports environment will be interesting.

If it is true that same of the NZF staffers were try to get some of the Ferns to either alter of withdraw their statement when surely they must be gone.

Will be interesting to see what the terms of reference are and the make up of who is going to investiage the whole matter.