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Posted February 23, 2024 01:32 · last edited February 23, 2024 01:33

Ranix
theprof
coochiee
theprof
coochiee
Yes is 50 games and over 5 years, since the Ferns last played OFC opposition. That is partly due to Covid & of course the Ferns getting automatic entry to last years WWC. So yeah completely wrong to suggest by being in OFC the Ferns don't get to play plenty of higher ranked teams.

Whether is Olympics or WWC qualifying it's only a 2 week tourney, that takes up just 1 window (when played in a window!). And with the piss easy cakewalk it is, then the Ferns get the regular tough pool games biennially, at either an Olympics & WWC that The Prof craves to see. Anyway the leaving for Asia debate has been done to death.

Still I'm sure true elite athletes like Zoe Hobbs or Eddie Osei-Nketia, would love to just have to be the fastest person in Oceania (sans Australia) to make an Olympics!

Don't get me started on those two, they may well be the fastest in Oceania, and may well make it out of their heat at the Olympics, but they are still a fair way off making the final let alone medalling. But lets spend the money on them anyway and bump someone else out of the team that may have a chance of medalling so they can say they've been to an Olympics.

The fixation on medalling is the issue. Being one of the 20-30 fastest people on planet earth, in a blue ribbon Olympics event basically available to every living human - the ability to run very fast - makes you an elite athlete. The ability to ride a horse very well, open to a tiny slice of our population, not so much.


coochiee
theprof
coochiee
Yes is 50 games and over 5 years, since the Ferns last played OFC opposition. That is partly due to Covid & of course the Ferns getting automatic entry to last years WWC. So yeah completely wrong to suggest by being in OFC the Ferns don't get to play plenty of higher ranked teams.

Whether is Olympics or WWC qualifying it's only a 2 week tourney, that takes up just 1 window (when played in a window!). And with the piss easy cakewalk it is, then the Ferns get the regular tough pool games biennially, at either an Olympics & WWC that The Prof craves to see. Anyway the leaving for Asia debate has been done to death.

Still I'm sure true elite athletes like Zoe Hobbs or Eddie Osei-Nketia, would love to just have to be the fastest person in Oceania (sans Australia) to make an Olympics!

Don't get me started on those two, they may well be the fastest in Oceania, and may well make it out of their heat at the Olympics, but they are still a fair way off making the final let alone medalling. But lets spend the money on them anyway and bump someone else out of the team that may have a chance of medalling so they can say they've been to an Olympics.

The fixation on medalling is the issue. Being one of the 20-30 fastest people on planet earth, in a blue ribbon Olympics event basically available to every living human - the ability to run very fast - makes you an elite athlete. The ability to ride a horse very well, open to a tiny slice of our population, not so much.

side tracking the thread a bit, but the commonwealth games (Friendly games) is essentially the participation games, the Olympics is the best of the best. Smaller nations like ours can only fund so many atheletes, being a decent chance of medalling is key. Zoe's fastest time last year 10.96, that time would have given her a distant 4th place in 2020, winning time of 10.61, 2nd 10.74 and 3rd 10.76. Her best 3 years later is still 0.20 seconds slower than 3rd. If selected she would have to be at her absolute best and hope that the standard hasnt improved to get close to the finals.
Zoe Hobbs is ranked 15th in the world at 100m. I personally think she deserves to be at the Olympics. 70 odd athlete's compete in this event at the olympics. Yes she probably won't medal, unless she does a Bradbury. She may make the final though if she PB's.
If the All Whites are good enough to qualify for the world cup. Should they forfeit there place because they are unlikely to make the final? Or should we pull the U23 from the olympics for the same reason.
 

Different requirements for different sports, the olympics is a development event for football hence u23's, NZ qualify for the WC event by winning the required tournaments. NZ Athletics has had these criteria for as long as I can remember and if you dfont meet them you dont get to go - end off.

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Ranix
theprof
coochiee
theprof
coochiee
Yes is 50 games and over 5 years, since the Ferns last played OFC opposition. That is partly due to Covid & of course the Ferns getting automatic entry to last years WWC. So yeah completely wrong to suggest by being in OFC the Ferns don't get to play plenty of higher ranked teams.

Whether is Olympics or WWC qualifying it's only a 2 week tourney, that takes up just 1 window (when played in a window!). And with the piss easy cakewalk it is, then the Ferns get the regular tough pool games biennially, at either an Olympics & WWC that The Prof craves to see. Anyway the leaving for Asia debate has been done to death.

Still I'm sure true elite athletes like Zoe Hobbs or Eddie Osei-Nketia, would love to just have to be the fastest person in Oceania (sans Australia) to make an Olympics!

Don't get me started on those two, they may well be the fastest in Oceania, and may well make it out of their heat at the Olympics, but they are still a fair way off making the final let alone medalling. But lets spend the money on them anyway and bump someone else out of the team that may have a chance of medalling so they can say they've been to an Olympics.

The fixation on medalling is the issue. Being one of the 20-30 fastest people on planet earth, in a blue ribbon Olympics event basically available to every living human - the ability to run very fast - makes you an elite athlete. The ability to ride a horse very well, open to a tiny slice of our population, not so much.


coochiee
theprof
coochiee
Yes is 50 games and over 5 years, since the Ferns last played OFC opposition. That is partly due to Covid & of course the Ferns getting automatic entry to last years WWC. So yeah completely wrong to suggest by being in OFC the Ferns don't get to play plenty of higher ranked teams.

Whether is Olympics or WWC qualifying it's only a 2 week tourney, that takes up just 1 window (when played in a window!). And with the piss easy cakewalk it is, then the Ferns get the regular tough pool games biennially, at either an Olympics & WWC that The Prof craves to see. Anyway the leaving for Asia debate has been done to death.

Still I'm sure true elite athletes like Zoe Hobbs or Eddie Osei-Nketia, would love to just have to be the fastest person in Oceania (sans Australia) to make an Olympics!

Don't get me started on those two, they may well be the fastest in Oceania, and may well make it out of their heat at the Olympics, but they are still a fair way off making the final let alone medalling. But lets spend the money on them anyway and bump someone else out of the team that may have a chance of medalling so they can say they've been to an Olympics.

The fixation on medalling is the issue. Being one of the 20-30 fastest people on planet earth, in a blue ribbon Olympics event basically available to every living human - the ability to run very fast - makes you an elite athlete. The ability to ride a horse very well, open to a tiny slice of our population, not so much.

side tracking the thread a bit, but the commonwealth games (Friendly games) is essentially the participation games, the Olympics is the best of the best. Smaller nations like ours can only fund so many atheletes, being a decent chance of medalling is key. Zoe's fastest time last year 10.96, that time would have given her a distant 4th place in 2020, winning time of 10.61, 2nd 10.74 and 3rd 10.76. Her best 3 years later is still 0.20 seconds slower than 3rd. If selected she would have to be at her absolute best and hope that the standard hasnt improved to get close to the finals.
Zoe Hobbs is ranked 15th in the world at 100m. I personally think she deserves to be at the Olympics. 70 odd athlete's compete in this event at the olympics. Yes she probably won't medal, unless she does a Bradbury. She may make the final though if she PB's.
If the All Whites are good enough to qualify for the world cup. Should they forfeit there place because they are unlikely to make the final? Or should we pull the U23 from the olympics for the same reason.
 

Different requiremetns for different sports, the olympics is a development event for football hence u23's, NZ qualify for the WC event by winning the required tournaments. NZ Athletics has had these criteria for as long as I can remember and if you dfont meet them you dont get to go - end off.