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Foreign coaching

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Some interesting points made by Martin Samuel of the Times on Fabio Capello in relation to foreign coaching.  I'm not sure how much it applies to New Zealand given our status but it does reinforce in my mind that we should be importing foreign coaching methods, but not necessarily foreign coaches.  We want a group of well trained and expert coaches that have played here and will stick around to pass the information on rather than coaching mercernaries, if we want the game to improve long term.  At the same time maybe we could do with a short term fix...a shot in the arm.
 
"In essence, although nothing in the Fifa rulebook forbids a foreign appointment, English football is cheating. Clubs are bottom-line businesses and have no boundaries, but national football aspires to greater meaning, pitting the wit of one country against another to demonstrate the strength of its game. Now, if England win the 2010 World Cup it will be as much Italy's victory: Italian coaching, Italian knowhow, Italian ideals. By appointing Capello, instead of solving a problem, English football seeks a short-cut to the answer. Take two children and a tough mathematics question: 427,649 x 221,952. Give one a pen and a piece of paper and the other a calculator. The machine has it cracked before the other child has the first line of calculations written, but given time, who will be better at arithmetic? Capello is England's calculator; he gives us an answer we cannot fathom on our own."

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I don't agree, coaches have an influence but nowhere near that much.  At the end of the day it's the players who win/lose, and regardless of the coach the result can still go either way.
loyalgunner2008-08-20 21:51:40
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I think there is something to what Martin Samuel has written. I'm not sure the analogy has to be so black and white. The problem being how to import those methods, into NZ or elsewhere, without someone to pass on that information. To continue the analogy, if the kid with the pen and paper has not been taught how to perform the multiplication he will be no better off than the one with the calculator.
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Sorry Loyalgunner - coaches are the ones who have all the say in who plays and how they will play. Fergusson dictates everything and his teams play his way and they win.

Good players can win for a bad coach but good coaches are needed to get good players win consistently.


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Forgein coaches world cup wins.....

Im pretty sure is a Zero.but i could be wrong


England put too much pressure and emphasis on the coach. The capatain doesnt seem to change,but the coach always rotates every year.

The only way England will win a world cup is when a great ex player lik Allan Shearer becomes their coach
nkcroatia_nz2008-09-08 21:48:20
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Allan Shearer has never coached anything, there is no evidence at all that he can coach.

England's greatest successes have been under Ramsey and Robson, until they employ another ex-Ipswich manager they are stuffed.


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But there have been plenty of confederation champions with foreign coaches...probably more relevant seeing as World Cup winners are generally strong traditional football nations with plenty of coaching (but I take your point).

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Hard News wrote:
Allan Shearer has never coached anything, there is no evidence at all that he can coach.

England's greatest successes have been under Ramsey and Robson, until they employ another ex-Ipswich manager they are stuffed.


 
Scotland might be onto something then.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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Not at the moment, we aint. By the look of things....

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Should that mean that all staff and admin should be of the same nationaloty also? I think it should be the case. Club football has been tarnished by greed and money - Chelsea and Man City. But international football, based on that very criteria of being the power of exlsuively one nation, should be able to maintian honour, pride and loyalty, in my opinon.
 
 
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It worked/is working for Australia...

a.haak

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Whether it works isn't the question. The question is whether it is right or should happen.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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"national football aspires to greater meaning, pitting the wit of one country against another to demonstrate the strength of its game"
 
I'm saying this should be how it stays,in my opinion. Keep payments and money out of it.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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