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Frustrating night ahead (Brazil match)

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yawn01 wrote:
Hey..

Thought i better say something as some people are acussing me of being someone else.

My brother i thought played well in patches as did some others..thats all i have to say in regards to performances!

Agent47 must have something personal against him but all can say what they like.

Good site for opinions!

Stuart H


I never said anything f**king personal against the guy ok. I just don't think he played as well as everyone else thinks ok???

You did well to create that alter ego Stu in the space of 12 mins

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so serious!!!!!
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Anyone with half a brain would know the womens road race would be far better viewing than a one sided fitba game. Get of the grass you guys 
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Cant win with every sport. With only one channel they have to cut between everything. Did get the end of the cycling at least,problem being is its such a long race.
 
The whole race was live over the internet

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SBS clowns only gave us the last 10 minutes.
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Dont know why people jumping on the backs on these kids I mean tonight we simple got outclassed by a class team. What did you expect? I mean look at some of the players they Had - Pato (AC Milan worth like $30 Million), Anderson (Man Utd 18 Million pound), Lucas (Liverpool 10 million pound) Diego (Werder Bremen $25 Million) Marcelo (Real Madrid worht like $25 million) thats without mentioning Ronaldinho and even the likes of Rafael Sobris on the bench is worht $25 million and Jo just signed for Man City for $18 million pound! I know its not about money but if we be realistic that sort of talent on there day when they click can destroy anyone let alone a largely amatuer team from NZ.

I must say that Marcelo the left back was just another level I think I counted about 5 or 6 nutmegs he done. Him and Ronaldinho down that left were Class!

Hope we can put that one behind us and look for a more positive result and performance against  Belgium!
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uptheeverton wrote:
Dont know why people jumping on the backs on these kids I mean tonight we simple got outclassed by a class team. What did you expect? I mean look at some of the players they Had - Pato (AC Milan worth like $30 Million), Anderson (Man Utd 18 Million pound), Lucas (Liverpool 10 million pound) Diego (Werder Bremen $25 Million) Marcelo (Real Madrid worht like $25 million) thats without mentioning Ronaldinho and even the likes of Rafael Sobris on the bench is worht $25 million and Jo just signed for Man City for $18 million pound! I know its not about money but if we be realistic that sort of talent on there day when they click can destroy anyone let alone a largely amatuer team from NZ.

I must say that Marcelo the left back was just another level I think I counted about 5 or 6 nutmegs he done. Him and Ronaldinho down that left were Class!

Hope we can put that one behind us and look for a more positive result and performance against  Belgium!


So that was the Ryan Nelsen show.

Swings into town has a great game against China. Loves playing for his country again, almost pulls off an unbelievable win. Mouths off about the direction of football in a country he has had little to do with of late, and then you seem to think he had a poor or less motivated game today?

obviously tough without his Blackburn colleagues, and even they would have had an interesting time against this Brazil team you would think.

is that fair enough? He didn't have as lion hearted a game today?


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I agree with you everton that we were outclassed and expectedly so. I just don't understand where people are coming from when they say so and so played well and so and so did this. They were all rubbish.

I thought we played far too deep early when we didn't have possession and should have pushed forward 10 yards with our front and back guys just to try keep their team honest and not pass it around at will amongst the back 4. Too often it was easy to knock a 10 yard pass to the defender to their left/right but took the 40 yarders to the back 4 of brazil who then just played with it. Admittedly they showed more structure early in the 2nd spell but the last 10 was just amatuer hour and it was almost like 'why bother trying'

The only one I thought showed any little bit of ability and disappointingly so was Nelsen because I did expect a bit more I guess. Where the young ones were heading the ball to no-one, on the odd occasion, he tried to head it to a team mate in a defensive situation. I've seen better first touches on 10yo though and some of the passes they had to receive were rockets so the teammate had no chance anyway.

Just rubbish.
Agent 472008-08-11 01:36:39
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If i played against Brazil (as an amatuer) and got a hiding,but played well within my own personal and realistic abilities,I would not say i played rubbish. Same deal for these guys.
 
Considering the class difference,some of the guys showed glimpses during the game in which they played well considering who they were up against.
 
Compared to brazil we were rubbish,but as a performance compared to other games we have played,we did ok

Allegedly

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I can relate to what you are saying Tegal but I still thought none of them played well even by their own personal standards. Why did we choose long aerial balls? Why did we get in our own team mates space? Why did we hit balls to no-one? Why did we give half hearted passes that resulted in turnovers? Why did we make even the easiest pass difficult to receive. Thats not playing well by personal standards. That just footballers putting in a rubbish display.

The only thing I'd say if you want to see it through my eyes is if you see a replay, ask this everytime we have possession and lose it "Was there an easier/better option?" In most cases you'll go "yup"

Agent 472008-08-11 04:11:39
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yeah, on that performance we wouldn''t've beaten anyone decent
I like tautologies because I like them.
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uptheeverton wrote:
Dont know why people jumping on the backs on these kids I mean tonight we simple got outclassed by a class team. What did you expect? I mean look at some of the players they Had - Pato (AC Milan worth like $30 Million), Anderson (Man Utd 18 Million pound), Lucas (Liverpool 10 million pound) Diego (Werder Bremen $25 Million) Marcelo (Real Madrid worht like $25 million) thats without mentioning Ronaldinho and even the likes of Rafael Sobris on the bench is worht $25 million and Jo just signed for Man City for $18 million pound! I know its not about money but if we be realistic that sort of talent on there day when they click can destroy anyone let alone a largely amatuer team from NZ.
 
Cole Peverly has been playing for Stop Out for similar money.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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I don't think we played that well (although we wern't allowed to play that well by the opposition), as someone said our midfield pressed back on our defence giving them so much room (mind you I don't think we could of done much more even if we did press up on them a bit).  Our players also seemed to be in awe of Brasil and bit  guilty of a bit of ball watching, who can blame them though watching skillfull players like that.
 
Their skill level was to high for us, they are nearly all world class professionals and were just on a different level so I don't think there was much we could do ( I did hope for a little less long ball from us though).
 
Lets take it as a football lesson  and make sure that our up and comming young players are helped to develop their skills so they can become at least 1/2 as comfortable on the ball as Brasil. If we do this then our teams can only improve.
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LOL at the brother's alias. Brilliant.

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A tad disappointing that we were beaten by that much, but at the end of the day we were seriously outclassed, we got a couple of good moves going forward but they were all over us really and we couldn't get any rhythm.  Ronaldinho was everywhere and clearly enjoying himself - his passing was spot on almost every time and despite the fact the whole Brazilian team had us outclassed I don't think it would have been nearly as much of a thrashing without Ronaldinho there on the field.

Good work to the boys, shame Nelsen is dashing back to England but it will give some more of the lads a runaround I guess.  Where was Killen last night?
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Thanks for putting up the CBF report, they brazilian media on globo.com  were calling it Olympic Chocolate haha. I enjoyed nad didn't enjoy the game, the brazilian part of me was happy that they have returned to good form, the Kiwi part of me was pretty unhappy as my girlfriend was grinning from ear to ear as each ball hit the back of the net....

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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[QUOTE=felipe]

game stats

                             Brazil 5 - 0 NZ
 
Possession          88%           12%
 
 
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5-0 Was brilliant then considering we didn't have the ball and hoofed it upfield with our 12%
Royal2008-08-11 13:40:07
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Hmmm this smacks of the game our U17s played against Brazil last year.

I know that it has been mentioned in the earlier comments (as this thread is so bl*ody long) but we just don't do the basics well and until NZ Soccer develop programmes that ensures we develop our players at a young age and keep them involved at all levels then we are going to continue to be on the back end of hidings.

Someone mentioned that there 10year old kid has better touches then these players - while that may be so, that was a very good example of being able put our own pressure on the Brazilians.

The good ol Kiwi attitude will normally keep us in the game for a while but as the game progresses our touches, game awareness and speed just needs to be spot on......and the other thing we need to encourage is flair - too many times, I have seen with our age group kids are those who have a natural flair who get told, safety first well looking at the way NZ Soccer is played - all we ever do is "safety" 1st.....

I know its hard trying to find the right balance but surely, the safety starts at getting the basics right (as mentioned above - and lets face it, if we have a "good first touch" then we should be confident to do anything - just as the Brazilians showed us last nite) and its just gotta start at a really early stage as well and needs to continue right through our national programmes....so just as a final point (and I know its been said before) maybe NZ Soccer spends most of its hard earned money on getting it right in the beginning and we may lessen these types of results - lets invest in our youngsters and teaching them some basic skills.....
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chareimos wrote:
Hmmm this smacks of the game our U17s played against Brazil last year.

I know that it has been mentioned in the earlier comments (as this thread is so bl*ody long) but we just don't do the basics well and until NZ Soccer develop programmes that ensures we develop our players at a young age and keep them involved at all levels then we are going to continue to be on the back end of hidings.

Someone mentioned that there 10year old kid has better touches then these players - while that may be so, that was a very good example of being able put our own pressure on the Brazilians.

The good ol Kiwi attitude will normally keep us in the game for a while but as the game progresses our touches, game awareness and speed just needs to be spot on......and the other thing we need to encourage is flair - too many times, I have seen with our age group kids are those who have a natural flair who get told, safety first well looking at the way NZ Soccer is played - all we ever do is "safety" 1st.....

I know its hard trying to find the right balance but surely, the safety starts at getting the basics right (as mentioned above - and lets face it, if we have a "good first touch" then we should be confident to do anything - just as the Brazilians showed us last nite) and its just gotta start at a really early stage as well and needs to continue right through our national programmes....so just as a final point (and I know its been said before) maybe NZ Soccer spends most of its hard earned money on getting it right in the beginning and we may lessen these types of results - lets invest in our youngsters and teaching them some basic skills.....

Yep I agree totally.
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Isn't it ironic the pounding TVNZ are taking for showing the football instead of the cycling, they really cant win.

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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Like wise, too much direct foorball in New Zealand. If the opposition has good cb's it never works to easy to defend against as its one dimensional.
 
But that is the way Stu Jacobs coaches NZ age group sides. The U20's did exactly the same thing at the u20 world cup. That's why players like Messam make the squad.
 
Hopefully we'll look to play a bit more against Belgium, it'll be interesting how we line up without Brockie.
 
Hard News, a little disappointed you out who people are on this site. Its probaly one reason why people have their nick names, so they can make comments without people simply saying you only say that becuse you know them etc.
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On behalf of Hard News, can I just say "Huh?????"
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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[QUOTE=TouchMe] Like wise, too much direct foorball in New Zealand. If the opposition has good cb's it never works to easy to defend against as its one dimensional.
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But that is the way Stu Jacobs coaches NZ age group sides. The U20's did exactly the same thing at the u20 world cup. That's why players like Messam make the squad.

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[QUOTE=TouchMe]

So the direct play could be as a result of our lack of confidence in our middies and anyone who comes into contact with the ball LOL.....and while you point out Stu, its actually the way NZ Soccer play at all national age group levels....

Time for a change!!!! Get some Sth Americans involved with the national teams - let gets "Daniel" involved since he wants to be a NZer!!!!chareimos2008-08-11 18:38:59
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Did anyone see highlights of the Australia vs Argies?

Looked like Australia put 10 men behind the ball all game and still couldn't stop messi.
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Yep I saw em - again its the Sth Americans who have touch, flair and speed of foot - having said that, the Aussies looked like they could attack and Thompson should have done better ...whereas our guys were just "hopeful"....
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i cant work out where to go from that link to find the highlights. is there an idiot's guide?
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Most of the relevant facts have been made.
Brazil were far too good, however we showed then TOO much respect

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:
Most of the relevant facts have been made.
Brazil were far too good, however we showed then TOO much respect


I think we were made to look like, boys vs men - one key moment late in the second half showed it quite well when 3 Brazilians (including Rhonaldino) formed a triangle and played one touch football - inch perfect passes and made our team grasp at thin air.....
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You know i think i just noticed (may be wrong)
 
But they show ads during the footbal match...but ive been watching the hockey and everything else...and they dont seem to get interrupted by ads. Or at least i havent noticed it...can anyone confirm that im not crazy on this?
 
Fully annoyed if im right

Allegedly

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Nah they had ads on in the hockey tonight i'm 81.7% sure.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Hmm maybe i just never noticed. I know they cut to the swimming for a couple minutes,but didnt notice any ads. They surely did have ads though...

Allegedly

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Just want to say something, as a few have stated here that they believe the Brazil game is proof we shouldn't have gone to the Olympics.
 
I remember some people saying the Oceania countries are a waste of time (may or may not be the same people). Without wishing to be too forward, we could equate our being in Oceania and playing some of their minor teams with this game tonight, with the roles reversed.
 
We need to blood our players on the world stage, and as many have said, it shows the holes in our coaching methods on the world stage. That means there will be some valuable lesson learned from both our womens and mens participation in the Olympics, and that is the most important thing in my eyes. These must be used as catalysts to raise the profile of the game in NZ, and to improve our players and coaching strategies.
 
To me, the direct football approach is only effective when your long passes get to your team mates accurately, and should only be a part of a repotoire (sp) of possible strategies, including South American style. If the long passes are easily intercepted or misplaced, you are merely dispossessing your own team of the ball, enableing the opposition to counter attack.
 
Dunno how many games my own team has lost, under the pump, leading with 10 to go and relegating their play to the 'hammer it upfield' approach, only to have the opposition gladly accept the possession and then continue to pressure us. This tournament has really show the New Zealand inadequacies to everyone.
 
Even in the Norway game, which was a closer fought contest, I lost count of how many of our long balls went too far or were intercepted by the opposition, who then passed back to their keeper and away they went building an attack.
 
So in summary, I think it is important to have these matches, no matter how much we may lose by, as painful as it is to watch, and from the perspective that there are lessons to be learnt. Long live our participation in the Olympics, as it may well assist us to make improvements to play in the World Cup!
 
Dunno about you, but I'm proud they're there.
 
Kia Kaha Kiwi!
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Marius Lacatus wrote:
i cant work out where to go from that link to find the highlights. is there an idiot's guide?


Sorry mate. the video got taken down because of copyright
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Rainman wrote:
Just want to say something, as a few have stated here that they believe the Brazil game is proof we shouldn't have gone to the Olympics.
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I remember some people saying the Oceania countries are a waste of time (may or may not be the same people). Without wishing to be too forward, we could equate our being in Oceania and playing some of their minor teams with this game tonight, with the roles reversed.

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We need to blood our players on the world stage, and as many have said, it shows the holes in our coaching methods on the world stage. That means there will be some valuable lesson learned from both our womens and mens participation in the Olympics, and that is the most important thing in my eyes. These must be used as catalysts to raise the profile of the game in NZ, and to improve our players and coaching strategies.

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To me, the direct football approach is only effective when your long passes get to your team mates accurately, and should only be a part of a repotoire (sp) of possible strategies, including South American style. If the long passes�are easily intercepted or misplaced, you are merely dispossessing your own team of the ball, enableing the opposition to counter attack.

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Dunno how many games my own team has lost, under the pump, leading�with 10 to go and relegating their play�to the 'hammer it upfield' approach, only to have the opposition gladly accept the possession and then continue to pressure us. This tournament has really show the New Zealand�inadequacies to everyone.

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Even in the Norway game, which was a closer fought contest, I lost count of how many of our long balls went too far or were intercepted by the opposition, who then passed back to their keeper and away they went building an attack.

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So in summary, I think it is important to have these matches, no matter how much we may lose by, as painful as it is to watch, and from the perspective that there are lessons to be learnt. Long live our participation in the Olympics, as it may well assist us to make improvements to play in the World Cup!

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Dunno about you, but I'm proud they're there.

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Kia Kaha�Kiwi!


Got no problem with your views Rainman - the only thing is that we never, ever, ever learn - its that same old same old NZ national soccer mentality and all we ever get dished up are excuses like financially we dont have the money to do this and that - well frankly thats just more excuses, excuses, excuses - cos it (our national administration and coaching) just never seems to get any better.

They need to review there programmes for the up and coming youngsters, find some money and start from scratch, keep them in the game longer and have a decent size pool of kids to keep them all competitive - at the moment its the parents who are fronting with the money and FINDING the opportunities for their kids (e.g. overseas etc) - NZ Soccer only ever get on the bandwagon when the kids are recognised at international level and want a piece of the action.

The administration (and not necessarily the players) are to blame for the results we are achieving. Before anyone sl*gs me, I AM a proud KIWI but it really frustrates me when we see the same results over and over again with little improvement.

We have to be more than guts and determination - we actually need to show the world we can PLAY!!!!!
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Rainman wrote:
Just want to say something, as a few have stated here that they believe the Brazil game is proof we shouldn't have gone to the Olympics.
 
Look at the tables w**kers.  Honduras and Japan can certainly f**k off then.  And we're doing no worse than South Korea, China, Serbia, and OZ.
 
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Don't worry Stevo. I'd love to see what they'll all say if we beat Belgium tomorrow night.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Well I along with every other NZer hope we do win - and lets hope, its with doing the basics better than we have seen so far e.g. touches etc, instead of the same ol long ball bullsh*t we get dished up from our national teams at all age groups!!!!!!
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