On TV3 sport tonight, article and video can be found in the link: (http://www.3news.co.nz/Who-will-be-the-All-Whites-next-matchup-/tabid/415/articleID/129833/cat/71/Default.aspx)
Michael Glading was talking about how we would try get a game against Australia on March 3. He said however that it was unlikely to have any Europe-based players and only if the FFA want to do it. Good signs that we are publicly trying though.wellyphoenixfan2009-11-16 20:22:32
Michael Glading was talking about how we would try get a game against Australia on March 3. He said however that it was unlikely to have any Europe-based players and only if the FFA want to do it. Good signs that we are publicly trying though.wellyphoenixfan2009-11-16 20:22:32
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Definitely yes - even if we can't get our Europe-based players for the game.
Honestly, think we'll struggle to get a higher profile game here at that time of the year than that.
Honestly, think we'll struggle to get a higher profile game here at that time of the year than that.
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Absolutely. If it was an A-League based Socceroo squad it could be pretty ordinary, but I'd go anywhere in NZ for it.
Either way it'd be a million times better than playing against China. They're rubbish AND they cheat. No thanks.
Either way it'd be a million times better than playing against China. They're rubbish AND they cheat. No thanks.
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I'd take ANY game ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. The more the merrier.
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I'm a bit of a n00b at football following, but who exactly are our first-choice players who play in Europe? Nelsen, Fallon, Killen, and...? I'm not sure I'd want to play any kind of decent opposition with two of our three strikers gone.
It makes me nostalgic for '82, when we had no foreign-based pros and we got some good warmup games against Watford etc.
Doloras2009-11-16 19:28:14
It makes me nostalgic for '82, when we had no foreign-based pros and we got some good warmup games against Watford etc.
Doloras2009-11-16 19:28:14
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I'm a bit of a n00b at football following, but who exactly are our first-choice players who play in Europe? Nelsen, Fallon, Killen, and...? I'm not sure I'd want to play any kind of decent opposition with two of our three strikers gone.
Chris Wood also plays in the UK.
Shane Smeltz is a better striker than any aussie A-League striker to be quite honest, so you've no worries there. Not sure the likes of Matt Simon or Archie Thompson are going to put much fear into the AW's.
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Would pretty much be the Phoenix v Rest of the A-League XI but i'd still love to see it
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With European-based players it would be good, but even without would be fantastic. I'd definitely be in attendance. A 3 game play-off series for some ad hoc trophy or title would be awesome but am I correct in thinking it's only a few days, the international break I mean?
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Who would we be able to get?
I'd expect this, maybe tweaked a bit.
GOALKEEPERS
Mark Paston
Glen Moss
James Bannatyne
DEFENDERS
Ben Sigmund
Ivan Vicelich
Aaron Scott
Tony Lochhead
James Pritchett (maybe?)
One other
MIDFIELDERS
Simon Elliot
Leo Bertos
Michael McGlinchey
Jeremy Christie
Andrew Barron
David Mulligan
FORWARDS
Shane Smeltz
Chris Wood (you would think we could get him back)
Jeremy Brockie (reluctantly)
loyalgunner2009-11-16 20:13:25
I'd expect this, maybe tweaked a bit.
GOALKEEPERS
Mark Paston
Glen Moss
James Bannatyne
DEFENDERS
Ben Sigmund
Ivan Vicelich
Aaron Scott
Tony Lochhead
James Pritchett (maybe?)
One other
MIDFIELDERS
Simon Elliot
Leo Bertos
Michael McGlinchey
Jeremy Christie
Andrew Barron
David Mulligan
FORWARDS
Shane Smeltz
Chris Wood (you would think we could get him back)
Jeremy Brockie (reluctantly)
loyalgunner2009-11-16 20:13:25
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What about playing a match in Europe during the March FIFA window?
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Heaps of money and a pain in the arse assuming you mean playing Australia in Europe.
Having said that would money be much of an issue? Don't we get cheap/free flights with Thai AirWays.
Would still rather watch them in NZ.
loyalgunner2009-11-16 20:16:27
Having said that would money be much of an issue? Don't we get cheap/free flights with Thai AirWays.
Would still rather watch them in NZ.
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It would be good if they set up a trophy but to be honest I can't think of many two-way trophys in footballO f course in other sports there is but in international football I cannot think of any (I know the Pacific Islands have a few between them but...). Only problem with A-League players is that it would be practically Phoenix vs Aussie A-leaguers (Maybe McKain/Durante could make it?). Of course I would still watch it but it would be nice if a few unplayed Aussies (Like Ruka) and Kiwis (Wood maybe?) could make the journey down from Europe to add a new diminsion to it.
Anyone reckon the FFA would be keen on it, like in the past have they said anything in relation to it?
Anyone reckon the FFA would be keen on it, like in the past have they said anything in relation to it?
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would love to see a match in wellington again. would go over to aussie to watch too though... if i had money at the time
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Heaps of money and a pain in the arse assuming you mean playing Australia in Europe.Having said that would money be much of an issue?� Don't we get cheap/free flights with Thai AirWays.Would still rather watch them in NZ.
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it would be a great match and we might have a chance iof winning also only rory fallon ryan nelson and maybe chris woods wont be able to play
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depends when its on..March 3 is one window but that might clash with our finals week 2 game...on the 6th/7th
....a game with euro stars would be okay I guess
....a game with euro stars would be okay I guessA small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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it would be a great match and we might have a chance iof winning also only rory fallon ryan nelson and maybe chris woods wont be able to play
Killen aswell I think. Our three (or is it more) MLS players could come back.
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Would go whoever was playing, but a game with the Euro players would be mouth watering.
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Would players from the States be available? I'm imagining they would... so add Eliot, Boyens and Oughton to the squad above, maybe Smith if he's still there?
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I'm a bit of a n00b at football following, but who exactly are our first-choice players who play in Europe? Nelsen, Fallon, Killen, and...? I'm not sure I'd want to play any kind of decent opposition with two of our three strikers gone.
Chris Wood also plays in the UK.
Shane Smeltz is a better striker than any aussie A-League striker to be quite honest, so you've no worries there. Not sure the likes of Matt Simon or Archie Thompson are going to put much fear into the AW's.
Smeltz is a good striker, but to say he is better than any aussie striker is streching it- I don't think he is.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Aussie domestic striker is a reasonable call to me.
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I'm a bit of a n00b at football following, but who exactly are our first-choice players who play in Europe? Nelsen, Fallon, Killen, and...? I'm not sure I'd want to play any kind of decent opposition with two of our three strikers gone.
Chris Wood also plays in the UK.
Shane Smeltz is a better striker than any aussie A-League striker to be quite honest, so you've no worries there. Not sure the likes of Matt Simon or Archie Thompson are going to put much fear into the AW's.
Smeltz is a good striker, but to say he is better than any aussie striker is streching it- I don't think he is.
Fair call.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Would players from the States be available? I'm imagining they would... so add Eliot, Boyens and Oughton to the squad above, maybe Smith if he's still there?
Yes and Smith is a free agent I believe.
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Would be good to play the Aussies as a warm up. A bit of friendly rivalry. See them in their Canary Yellow.
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yes, but not if its in a neutral location
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I guess we have to wait for the WC finals draw first before thinking about friendlies. If we draw with Australia in the pool group, then the next best thing is to play Netherlands as I doubt that Australia would want to face us until the WC pool group match.
I would think that Japan and South Korea might be in line or any of the other World Cup finalist. I really wouldn't want to play against lower opponents now because we have to perform at a higher level in 2010 and need to be familiar with the tempo and pace of that level.
The purpose of the friendlies leading up to the WC finals is the need to have experience against high level teams hitting the ground running in the first WC pool group match. Let use our short time we have as a team to good use. With 7 months to go, we need to prepare well. Which is why we need to know who is in our group. We to sort out teams with similar style and tempo as our pool group opponents as well as the potential second round opponents if we nab 2nd place. That is at least 4 matches to consider.
I would think that Japan and South Korea might be in line or any of the other World Cup finalist. I really wouldn't want to play against lower opponents now because we have to perform at a higher level in 2010 and need to be familiar with the tempo and pace of that level.
The purpose of the friendlies leading up to the WC finals is the need to have experience against high level teams hitting the ground running in the first WC pool group match. Let use our short time we have as a team to good use. With 7 months to go, we need to prepare well. Which is why we need to know who is in our group. We to sort out teams with similar style and tempo as our pool group opponents as well as the potential second round opponents if we nab 2nd place. That is at least 4 matches to consider.
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Would players from the States be available? I'm imagining they would... so add Eliot, Boyens and Oughton to the squad above, maybe Smith if he's still there?
Yes and Smith is a free agent I believe.
He is but is enjoying where he's living and doesn't want to move. Don't know what he'll do football-wise.
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Any game at home for NZ against a nation that's not the Islands is a good game, could be a while until we get another.
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I guess we have to wait for the WC finals draw first before thinking about friendlies. If we draw with Australia in the pool group, then the next best thing is to play Netherlands as I doubt that Australia would want to face us until the WC pool group match.
I would think that Japan and South Korea might be in line or any of the other World Cup finalist. I really wouldn't want to play against lower opponents now because we have to perform at a higher level in 2010 and need to be familiar with the tempo and pace of that level.
The purpose of the friendlies leading up to the WC finals is the need to have experience against high level teams hitting the ground running in the first WC pool group match. Let use our short time we have as a team to good use. With 7 months to go, we need to prepare well. Which is why we need to know who is in our group. We to sort out teams with similar style and tempo as our pool group opponents as well as the potential second round opponents if we nab 2nd place. That is at least 4 matches to consider.
I would think that Japan and South Korea might be in line or any of the other World Cup finalist. I really wouldn't want to play against lower opponents now because we have to perform at a higher level in 2010 and need to be familiar with the tempo and pace of that level.
The purpose of the friendlies leading up to the WC finals is the need to have experience against high level teams hitting the ground running in the first WC pool group match. Let use our short time we have as a team to good use. With 7 months to go, we need to prepare well. Which is why we need to know who is in our group. We to sort out teams with similar style and tempo as our pool group opponents as well as the potential second round opponents if we nab 2nd place. That is at least 4 matches to consider.
Very much doubt we will get 4 matches, let alone 4 matches with our entire squad avaliable. I think we'll get 1 or 2 matches at best a few weeks out from the WC unfortunately - the logistics just aren't that manageable.
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Would pretty much be the Phoenix v Rest of the A-League XI but i'd still love to see it
I think Australia has an Asian Cup qualifying game in early March, so any game with NZ would be seen as 'preparation' game.
If anything, I'd rather NOT see NZ and Australia play until it was the World Cup proper (which is unlikely to happen in any event).
Id they played a game pre-World Cup, I can see a bit of tit-for-tat tackling, it would be a rough match.
If an Aust player hurt an NZ player (or vice versa), there would be a revenge tackle applied on that original 'tackler' for sure.
As I said somewhere else, my advice for NZ is to ignore Australia and worry about their own game.
Since Australia's move to the AFC, they're looking north now, not to its east...
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3rd of March Australia Host Indonesia, it is unfortunate that the saturday before (feb 27th) is not a FIFA match window. But, there is no A-League fixtures that weekend, which i'm sure is no coincidence, so Australia would quite possibly keen to use us as a warm up? then we just need to organise another match in NZ on the 3rd (from South America perhaps?).
Is there ANY chance of clubs releasing players outside a FIFA window? Being [perhaps very]optimistic, i would think Fallon, Killen and Wood might be allowed, perhaps more so for a game held in europe, but Nelsen not a chance either way. being pessimistic, if we only had a friendly on the third (and not the saturday as well) then i can't imagine europe based players coming back for it (their clubs only have to release them 48 hours out for friendlies)
with the A-league having a break, having a game or two in Europe might not be out of the question? if the phoenix were still in the chase, maybe Ricki could just take enough players to make up enough numbers with the europe and US based players (MLS starts later in March i think)
from a selfish point of view, it would be great to have another NZ v Aus in London, perhaps outside a FIFA window once the A-league is finished. What's the biggest stadium it would be feasable to have it at? i know craven cottage didn't even fill up, but with people from both countries looking forward to the world cup, surely we could get quite a few along. Wembley, imagine that!
what would be awesome would be to get three home games against marketable opposition and have a pre world cup national tour - Chch, Welly, AK (when's Eden parks overhaul complete? imagine re-opening it with a football match)
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3rd of March Australia Host Indonesia, it is unfortunate that the saturday before (feb 27th) is not a FIFA match window. But, there is no A-League fixtures that weekend, which i'm sure is no coincidence, so Australia would quite possibly keen to use us as a warm up? then we just need to organise another match in NZ on the 3rd (from South America perhaps?).
Is there ANY chance of clubs releasing players outside a FIFA window? Being [perhaps very]optimistic, i would think Fallon, Killen and Wood might be allowed, perhaps more so for a game held in europe, but Nelsen not a chance either way. being pessimistic, if we only had a friendly on the third (and not the saturday as well) then i can't imagine europe based players coming back for it (their clubs only have to release them 48 hours out for friendlies)
with the A-league having a break, having a game or two in Europe might not be out of the question? if the phoenix were still in the chase, maybe Ricki could just take enough players to make up enough numbers with the europe and US based players (MLS starts later in March i think)
from a selfish point of view, it would be great to have another NZ v Aus in London, perhaps outside a FIFA window once the A-league is finished. What's the biggest stadium it would be feasable to have it at? i know craven cottage didn't even fill up, but with people from both countries looking forward to the world cup, surely we could get quite a few along. Wembley, imagine that!
what would be awesome would be to get three home games against marketable opposition and have a pre world cup national tour - Chch, Welly, AK (when's Eden parks overhaul complete? imagine re-opening it with a football match)
Getting players from Euro clubs outside FIFA date for a friendly is next to impossible.
Best hope if NZ wants to play Oz is a London game, but as I've said before, this game could cause players to get injured (on both sides) before the World Cup if it gets nasty. No good for anyone.
Also, depending on the draw, NZ may want to pick and choose its opponents pre-World Cup.
Finally, WHY WORRY ABOUT AUSTRALIA. F..k them, since Australia's move to the AFC, the rivalries promoted here are between Japan, Iran and so on. NZ may want to play Australia, but the other way around may not be interested. That's not meant to be harsh, but Australia's priorities have shifted since 2005.
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3rd of March Australia Host Indonesia, it is unfortunate that the saturday before (feb 27th) is not a FIFA match window. But, there is no A-League fixtures that weekend, which i'm sure is no coincidence, so Australia would quite possibly keen to use us as a warm up? then we just need to organise another match in NZ on the 3rd (from South America perhaps?).
Is there ANY chance of clubs releasing players outside a FIFA window? Being [perhaps very]optimistic, i would think Fallon, Killen and Wood might be allowed, perhaps more so for a game held in europe, but Nelsen not a chance either way. being pessimistic, if we only had a friendly on the third (and not the saturday as well) then i can't imagine europe based players coming back for it (their clubs only have to release them 48 hours out for friendlies)
with the A-league having a break, having a game or two in Europe might not be out of the question? if the phoenix were still in the chase, maybe Ricki could just take enough players to make up enough numbers with the europe and US based players (MLS starts later in March i think)
from a selfish point of view, it would be great to have another NZ v Aus in London, perhaps outside a FIFA window once the A-league is finished. What's the biggest stadium it would be feasable to have it at? i know craven cottage didn't even fill up, but with people from both countries looking forward to the world cup, surely we could get quite a few along. Wembley, imagine that!
what would be awesome would be to get three home games against marketable opposition and have a pre world cup national tour - Chch, Welly, AK (when's Eden parks overhaul complete? imagine re-opening it with a football match)
Getting players from Euro clubs outside FIFA date for a friendly is next to impossible.
Best hope if NZ wants to play Oz is a London game, but as I've said before, this game could cause players to get injured (on both sides) before the World Cup if it gets nasty. No good for anyone.
Also, depending on the draw, NZ may want to pick and choose its opponents pre-World Cup.
Finally, WHY WORRY ABOUT AUSTRALIA. F..k them, since Australia's move to the AFC, the rivalries promoted here are between Japan, Iran and so on. NZ may want to play Australia, but the other way around may not be interested. That's not meant to be harsh, but Australia's priorities have shifted since 2005.
But yes your right why would the FFA bother with such a fixture? All i can think of is for the A-League roos to get some game time.
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Getting players from Euro clubs outside FIFA date for a friendly is next to impossible.
Best hope if NZ wants to play Oz is a London game, but as I've said before, this game could cause players to get injured (on both sides) before the World Cup if it gets nasty. No good for anyone.
Also, depending on the draw, NZ may want to pick and choose its opponents pre-World Cup.
Finally, WHY WORRY ABOUT AUSTRALIA. F..k them, since Australia's move to the AFC, the rivalries promoted here are between Japan, Iran and so on. NZ may want to play Australia, but the other way around may not be interested. That's not meant to be harsh, but Australia's priorities have shifted since 2005.
Best hope if NZ wants to play Oz is a London game, but as I've said before, this game could cause players to get injured (on both sides) before the World Cup if it gets nasty. No good for anyone.
Also, depending on the draw, NZ may want to pick and choose its opponents pre-World Cup.
Finally, WHY WORRY ABOUT AUSTRALIA. F..k them, since Australia's move to the AFC, the rivalries promoted here are between Japan, Iran and so on. NZ may want to play Australia, but the other way around may not be interested. That's not meant to be harsh, but Australia's priorities have shifted since 2005.
Havent you watched TWG and read online sports news from Aus and Forums from around Australia and even Euro, Aussie fans want the game period - So do the Kiwi fans.
But yes your right why would the FFA bother with such a fixture? All i can think of is for the A-League roos to get some game time.
Personal viewpoint I suppose, I see any match next year between Aus and NZ as being rough as guts, and if played before the World Cup, could be tit for tat with dodgy tackles and so on. i reckon it's best that both countries prepare separately and go from there.
TWG on Sunday didn't ask for the game!
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Diego, kind of agree with you - don't really care who we have friendlies against if they are of an appropriate level for us. With Australia it's just a couple of things - geography and something fans would like to see.
geography - if the australian team is assembled in Sydney for a competetive match and we haven't managed to attract Brazil to come to NZ (or at least someone better than malaysia say), then playing australia ( if as has been pointed out they want to), seems a good idea. i seem to think we should also try and offer a warm up game to those Asian teams coming to australia, even if it has to be in Australia.
from the fans point of view, people just seem to like the idea due to the rivalry we have in other sports, although personally i don't think that rivalry really exists in the same way between our two nations in football, particularly from an australian point of view.
Peronally, since Aus have departed to Asia, and we no longer get to play each other competitively, i would like to see us play a friendly every few years (which shouldn't be difficult).
I don't want to get Aus in SA, but i would like either us or them to get England.
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Diego, kind of agree with you - don't really care who we have friendlies against if they are of an appropriate level for us. With Australia it's just a couple of things - geography and something fans would like to see.
geography - if the australian team is assembled in Sydney for a competetive match and we haven't managed to attract Brazil to come to NZ (or at least someone better than malaysia say), then playing australia ( if as has been pointed out they want to), seems a good idea. i seem to think we should also try and offer a warm up game to those Asian teams coming to australia, even if it has to be in Australia.
from the fans point of view, people just seem to like the idea due to the rivalry we have in other sports, although personally i don't think that rivalry really exists in the same way between our two nations in football, particularly from an australian point of view.
Peronally, since Aus have departed to Asia, and we no longer get to play each other competitively, i would like to see us play a friendly every few years (which shouldn't be difficult).
I don't want to get Aus in SA, but i would like either us or them to get England.
Nah, no game thanks...I seem to recall that there was going to be an Australia vs New Zealand game on the Gold Coast in late 2008 (October) but it was cancelled by Herbert...
Of course my tongue was in my cheek as I wrote the above.
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fair enough, personal viewpoint like you say.
would you really rather we didn't play at all than play australia? i guess if your injury hypothesis is right you'd be right on the button. would like to think both sets of players are bit more proffesional than that, but i guess all it would take would be a crowd chant of "a dingo ate your baby" and it would turn into a bloodbath
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I guess we have to wait for the WC finals draw first before thinking about friendlies. If we draw with Australia in the pool group, then the next best thing is to play Netherlands as I doubt that Australia would want to face us until the WC pool group match.
I would think that Japan and South Korea might be in line or any of the other World Cup finalist. I really wouldn't want to play against lower opponents now because we have to perform at a higher level in 2010 and need to be familiar with the tempo and pace of that level.
The purpose of the friendlies leading up to the WC finals is the need to have experience against high level teams hitting the ground running in the first WC pool group match. Let use our short time we have as a team to good use. With 7 months to go, we need to prepare well. Which is why we need to know who is in our group. We to sort out teams with similar style and tempo as our pool group opponents as well as the potential second round opponents if we nab 2nd place. That is at least 4 matches to consider.
Very much doubt we will get 4 matches, let alone 4 matches with our entire squad avaliable. I think we'll get 1 or 2 matches at best a few weeks out from the WC unfortunately - the logistics just aren't that manageable.
I would think that Japan and South Korea might be in line or any of the other World Cup finalist. I really wouldn't want to play against lower opponents now because we have to perform at a higher level in 2010 and need to be familiar with the tempo and pace of that level.
The purpose of the friendlies leading up to the WC finals is the need to have experience against high level teams hitting the ground running in the first WC pool group match. Let use our short time we have as a team to good use. With 7 months to go, we need to prepare well. Which is why we need to know who is in our group. We to sort out teams with similar style and tempo as our pool group opponents as well as the potential second round opponents if we nab 2nd place. That is at least 4 matches to consider.
Nah, we'll be able to get a few games. Everyone's looking for friendlies a couple of weeks before the WC, you can usually squeeze in 4-5 games in that period. I understand we'll be based in Europe/Africa during this time, finding oppo won't be a problem, nor the logistics.
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