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Glen Moss out for four matches

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Glen Moss out for four matches
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just read the article about it on the homepage.  Four matches for using the f-word at the match official, boy that's harsh.  While I hardly condone abuse of referees you'd think one match would be ample punishment.  So why is it four?  Does Moss have any appeal process he can go through to try and overturn the punishment, and if he's banned why is he playing in the Confederations Cup?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
dodgy ref in Fiji. Doesnt apply to Confed. Rumour that we stuffed up the appeal.

Founder

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
dodgy ref in Fiji. Doesnt apply to Confed. Rumour that we stuffed up the appeal.
 
We must have done something horrific to get that wrong, not happy aye, especially considering it's normal for players to swear at referees decisions. Chasing after them and abusing them may be crossing the line but showing disgust at their decision is a human right, you can respect someone while passionately disagreeing with their decision.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can any one answer this? I f Moss is banned for four matches then why is he allowed to play at the, FIFA organised and sanctioned, ConFeds Cup?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Because its not part of the world Cup Competition.

Will have to be the qualifying legs or Word cup if we make it. Which sux and makes no sense, but I think of it like this:

If you get a red card in the semi final of the champions league - you miss the final.
Even though you have other sanctioned League games between that you can play.

I do think Its a stupid ban though.
Mossy is looking really good lately


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
playwithFire wrote:
Because its not part of the world Cup Competition.

Will have to be the qualifying legs or Word cup if we make it. Which sux and makes no sense, but I think of it like this:

If you get a red card in the semi final of the champions league - you miss the final.
Even though you have other sanctioned League games between that you can play.

I do think Its a stupid ban though.
Mossy is looking really good lately

I am sure though that if you are banned and your team has dropped from the champions league to the uefa cup, that ban will carry to the the uefa cup as both are uefa sanctioned tournaments. should be the same for fifa comps.

The thing is, didnt the world cup qualifying campaing also double as the ofc nations cup? and couldnt the ban then been for the confederations cup?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It couldn't apply to the Confeds Cup because then teams who qualified for the Confeds Cup would have an advantage over those who didn't.
 
Don't forget Drogba's just got 6 games for similar, but more serious version of, the same offence.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bullion wrote:

I am sure though that if you are banned and your team has dropped from the champions league to the uefa cup, that ban will carry to the the uefa cup as both are uefa sanctioned tournaments. should be the same for fifa comps.


Its like that. Except we havn't been dropped from World Cup qualification, and if we don't make the Finals, then it goes to the next lot of qualification.


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sounds like bullocks to me. players and refs use the F word all the time. you should get a yellow if you do - but that's it. besides a 4-match ban is ridiculous, what would happen if you hit a ref then??
Look at zidane, only 3 matches for a head butt?! I may start headbutting people, it's cheaper in the long run!

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
It couldn't apply to the Confeds Cup because then teams who qualified for the Confeds Cup would have an advantage over those who didn't.

I see, OFC is not a FIFA event... WC is, and to be fair WC bans for WC matches only.

Stink for Moss
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bullion wrote:

Smithy wrote:
It couldn't apply to the Confeds Cup because then teams who qualified for the Confeds Cup would have an advantage over those who didn't.
I see, OFC is not a FIFA event... WC is, and to be fair WC bans for WC matches only. Stink for Moss


No, it's like this. If you get suspended in a competition, you have to serve that suspension in that given competition if your team has enough matches in that particular competition left. NZ has 2 left, plus potential of 3 or more in addition to that. So Moss will be unavailable for the playoffs and the first two games of the World Cup if we qualify. If we don't, then Moss has run out of matches to sit out in the competition in which he was suspended, and then would have to sit out the next two official games that NZ plays (wouldn't have to be WC qualifiers, but in all likelihood will be). This is an unusual sitation since the Confed Cup falls in the middle of the WC qualifying process, and thus creates a bit of confusion. The other way you can look at it is that if we'd been knocked out of the WC qualifying in that game in Fiji, then Moss would have been suspended for the 3 Confed Cup games and the next official game the All Whites played.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ouch 4 matches..

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...what would happen if you hit a ref then??


2 years.

Todd Danks got that for hitting a ref in the US1 Prem the other year.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Bullion wrote:

Smithy wrote:
It couldn't apply to the Confeds Cup because then teams who qualified for the Confeds Cup would have an advantage over those who didn't.
I see, OFC is not a FIFA event... WC is, and to be fair WC bans for WC matches only. Stink for Moss


No, it's like this. If you get suspended in a competition, you have to serve that suspension in that given competition if your team has enough matches in that particular competition left. NZ has 2 left, plus potential of 3 or more in addition to that. So Moss will be unavailable for the playoffs and the first two games of the World Cup if we qualify. If we don't, then Moss has run out of matches to sit out in the competition in which he was suspended, and then would have to sit out the next two official games that NZ plays (wouldn't have to be WC qualifiers, but in all likelihood will be). This is an unusual sitation since the Confed Cup falls in the middle of the WC qualifying process, and thus creates a bit of confusion. The other way you can look at it is that if we'd been knocked out of the WC qualifying in that game in Fiji, then Moss would have been suspended for the 3 Confed Cup games and the next official game the All Whites played.

The thing I was trying point out was that WC qual and OFC nations cup was the same thing. If NZ had gotten knocked out by Fiji we wouldn't have been at the confed cup or be playing off for a WC spot.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Buffon II wrote:
...what would happen if you hit a ref then??


2 years.

Todd Danks got that for hitting a ref in the US1 Prem the other year.
 
or in NZ ...you get a 'life' ban.....then you get to be the national coach
 
(Dugdale)
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
the Mossy ruling is a bit of a 'glitch' for us - hopefully Paston will do the business
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Bullion wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Bullion wrote:

Smithy wrote:
It couldn't apply to the Confeds Cup because then teams who qualified for the Confeds Cup would have an advantage over those who didn't.
I see, OFC is not a FIFA event... WC is, and to be fair WC bans for WC matches only. Stink for Moss


No, it's like this. If you get suspended in a competition, you have to serve that suspension in that given competition if your team has enough matches in that particular competition left. NZ has 2 left, plus potential of 3 or more in addition to that. So Moss will be unavailable for the playoffs and the first two games of the World Cup if we qualify. If we don't, then Moss has run out of matches to sit out in the competition in which he was suspended, and then would have to sit out the next two official games that NZ plays (wouldn't have to be WC qualifiers, but in all likelihood will be). This is an unusual sitation since the Confed Cup falls in the middle of the WC qualifying process, and thus creates a bit of confusion. The other way you can look at it is that if we'd been knocked out of the WC qualifying in that game in Fiji, then Moss would have been suspended for the 3 Confed Cup games and the next official game the All Whites played.
The thing I was trying point out was that WC qual and OFC nations cup was the same thing. If NZ had gotten knocked out by Fiji we wouldn't have been at the confed cup or be playing off for a WC spot.


That's true - guess it was a bad example. Was just trying to illustrate how the suspension system works.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
After Paston's performance over the two legs, Mossy would struggle to knock Pasty off his perch for at least the first two World Cup games anyway, thank your lucky stars NZF, your epic f**k up hasn't screwed the dream after all.
You know we belong together...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
dodgy ref in Fiji. Doesnt apply to Confed. Rumour that we stuffed up the appeal.



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/soccer/melbourne-victory-goalkeeper-glen-moss-world-cup-with-new-zealance-dream-has-been-clouded-by-suspension/story-e6frfg8x-1225794429447


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Normally New Zealand's first-choice goalkeeper, Moss is serving a four-match ban after being sent off for swearing at the referee during an Oceania qualifier against Fiji and is sidelined for the home-and-away playoff against Bahrain.

After drawing the first leg 0-0 in Bahrain, the All Whites are one win from advancing to the World Cup finals for the first time since 1982, but Moss will be in Melbourne rather than Wellington when the match is played on Saturday week.

"It is hard because you know you should be there," Moss said yesterday.

"These are the things you dream about as a kid. It's a tough way to go out."

What makes it even tougher for Moss is that New Zealand Football missed the deadline for an appeal and knowing that if the All Whites advance to South Africa next year, he is still ineligible for the opening two World Cup games.

After copping the red card for abuse, which Moss regrets and apologises for, NZ Football did not process the appeal in time, blaming an office closure over the Christmas-New Year period and a backlog of correspondence.

It was costly for Moss, whose advice was that the appeal would almost certainly have reduced the ban, probably by half.

Moss and a legal team appealed against the suspension to FIFA, but were rebuffed because an individual cannot lodge an appeal. The appeal must come from the player's national association.

"The suspension was quite harsh, but NZ Football failed to appeal and it's something I've got to wear," said Moss, who has not been invited to the game by NZ Football and will not be attending.

"It's disappointing it wasn't handled in the right manner."

Moss has not spoken to All Whites coach Ricki Herbert about a World Cup berth, but knows making South Africa would be a massive achievement for the game in New Zealand.

"If New Zealand could get to a World Cup, the game, I'm sure, would just take off there and the money that would come in would help NZ Football run the show a little bit better," Moss said.

In the meantime, Moss will do whatever he can to keep Victory's run of good form (six wins from the past seven games) going against Central Coast Mariners at Etihad Stadium on Friday, looking for a cleansheet and three points.



diego's son2009-11-19 06:14:15
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/3072732/Last-ditch-bid-to-get-Glen-Moss-ban-lifted/Last-ditch bid to get Glen Moss ban lifted By TONY SMITH and FRED WOODCOCK - The Dominion Post

New Zealand Football has launched a last-ditch appeal to get All Whites goalkeeper Glen Moss' World Cup ban lifted.

Moss, the All Whites' No1 custodian since 2006, missed the playoff series with Bahrain after he was suspended for four World Cup games after incurring a red card in a dead-rubber Oceania qualifying group match against Fiji last December.

All Whites coach Ricki Herbert told The Dominion Post on Monday he would select Moss in his 23-man squad even if the Melbourne Victory keeper was only eligible for the last of three group games.

New Zealand Football chairman Frank van Hattum said he asked Fifa to reconsider the ban when he visited the world governing body's Zurich headquarters a fortnight ago.

The Oceania Football Confederation also supported New Zealand's appeal. It made its case to Fifa's legal department and later "fired off some papers", seeking a formal reconsideration.

"We're saying we don't disagree he should have been punished, but we disagree with the severity and, as such, are asking for a reconsideration.

"There's a lot of work going on behind the scenes. We should know within a couple of weeks."

Moss yesterday declined to comment until he had heard more from NZF and Fifa.

The former Wellington Phoenix keeper was sent off in Fiji after running out of his penalty area to swear at a referee.

He told The Dominion Post last month that he was furious at NZF for failing to lodge an initial appeal by the initial deadline last December.

NZF later lodged the 10,000 Swiss francs appeal bond, but the appeal was ruled invalid.

Van Hattum, the All Whites 1982 World Cup goalkeeper, is now hoping Fifa will have a change of heart but he said he could not guarantee NZF's chance of success.

Meanwhile, the six All Whites in the Phoenix returned to work yesterday after a "crazy" few days following New Zealand's 1-0 World Cup qualifying win against Bahrain at Westpac Stadium.

They have an A-League match away against Newcastle on Sunday and defender Ben Sigmund said it was important that they "get back on the wagon".

"We enjoyed that moment but we know Newcastle will be saying it will be a World Cup hangover and I'm determined not to let that happen."

Crowd favourite Sigmund was a reluctant hero and felt "uncomfortable" when he went to the supermarket on Monday.

"It felt like every person I walked past was watching me. I was kind of feeling a little uncomfortable, to be fair, but I'm sure we'll get a bit more recognised now.

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"Even before the game I went for a walk to drop some tickets off to my girlfriend and there were people tooting their horns and saying `good luck Siggy' as I walked down the street, so that was cool."

He was even told not to pay on a visit to his local dairy in Paparangi.

"I thought that was pretty cool. I'll go back every week now and make sure I buy my milk and bread from there."

The reality of a World Cup appearance was still to sink in for All Whites vice-captain Tim Brown.

"When does it sink in? I don't know," he said.

"It's obviously big for us but we were isolated last week and now you realise how much it means to other people. It was an unforgettable occasion.

"But you've got to end the party sometime, so it was good to get a dose of reality at training today. Football has a funny way of coming back and biting you. We've qualified, but it doesn't make us any better players.

"The Phoenix is important to every one of us and we have to be ready for Sunday."

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Does anyone have an update on the situation?? surely Frank & Brian must have had a chit chat to FIFA peeps whilst in South Africa.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
One wonders, if being loyal to Glen Moss reflects a change from 1982, when Richard Wilson, who played in the Qualifiers but never got to play in the WC Finals Tournament in Spain. A thing that both Ricki and Frank understands as a minor ongoing media detraction about 1982 and hoping not to make the same mistake for 2010. The more I think about it, the more it seems they are making up for past mistakes to me as this carries on.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No, it's clearly that we don't have another international class keeper

Normo's coming home

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:
No, it's clearly that we don't have another international class keeper


Well maybe I should have said "One might wonder . . ."

If he is prepped for the Paraguay game, we should see Moss in the warm up against Mexico and any other South American friendly warm up games as his goal stopping responses would be far more useful repertoire as typical of South American Goalkeepers skill set.

It would be nice to have few more GK at A-league level like James Bannatyne and Ross Nicholson to make the competition for national team a bit thicker and keep them at a more consistency higher standard. We know that they are capable of a few more years at that type of level if they have a chance. Shame we don't have a second A-league team. The drop to the next tier of GKs clearly shows although Spoonley is in the mix of GKs that needs A-league level type exposure as well.

We usually have about 2 or 3 keepers in competition and then a huge drop to the others but having A-league level as opposed to our NZFC or previous equivalent national competition has improved our keepers to a more solid international class.

When was the last time we have a NZ keeper in the European leagues beside Moss stint with the Romanians??
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I don't think you'll see Moss in Victory's first team again. January, they may look to offload him if possible. If not now then seasons' end.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This was floating around on the net a few months ago, not sure if posted here previously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXaG0NdV4n0

Also, this was an interview Mossy did with a Melbourne outlet back in August, interesting looking at it now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STycU9fqhzw&feature=related
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It looks like his move from phoenix has ruined moss's football career for the meantime.... he was in high demand from a-league clubs at the end of the last season... and now he cant seem to get any gametime... its a real shame, being such a good player.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
maynardf wrote:
It looks like his move from phoenix has ruined moss's football career for the meantime.... he was in high demand from a-league clubs at the end of the last season... and now he cant seem to get any gametime... its a real shame, being such a good player.


I would not go saying that around Melbourne next week.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Those Green and Gold tinted glasses.

If Moss had put in a display like Langerak the other week against Newcastle he would have been burnt in effigy.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
Those Green and Gold tinted glasses.

If Moss had put in a display like Langerak the other week against Newcastle he would have been burnt in effigy.


He has been hung out to dry since the start of the season HN. He was raised (like Smeltz) on the Gold Coast as well.

You really have an anti-Australian bias! Point is he did not perform for Victory from the start. Even players like Leandro Love copped a handful from the fans. Nationality is irrelevant here. Ease up son.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think Mossy should just stay in NZ as every time he ventures off shore things go tits up for him (and yes he is clearly a Queenslander).
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
james dean wrote:
No, it's clearly that we don't have another international class keeper


When was the last time we have a NZ keeper in the European leagues beside Moss stint with the Romanians??


As I'm sure you know it would be Pasty (England) and before him Utting Iand thats UK). 

We are very thinly spread on genuine class keepers and if Pasty retires soon which I have a feeling he is, the situation is going to get worse. 

Jacob needs to take a big step and head overseas I think for his, as well as NZs footballing future and try for a pro contract somewhere.
disco_mart2010-01-25 13:58:40
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