All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
Middle East Technical Advisor
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I know one person this won't be - Allan Jones.
Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time.
Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment.
He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc.
Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions??
Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time.
Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment.
He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc.
Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions??
Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
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Are they trying to sneak a replacement in above him through this Technical Advisor?
Normo's coming home
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just in: highly experienced middle east technical advisor, just completed last assignment. might be able to add more firepower to All Whites arsenal.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pf4aSh9rw2o/SVi9I9--Q-I/AAAAAAAAA1M/M-JJnpuaBhM/s400/ap_nsa_spying_070701_hk_edited.jpg RedGed2009-06-19 22:54:04
Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!
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Isn't this an admission that Ricki's just not up to it?
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Isn't this an admission that Ricki's just not up to it?
Would appear that way, I assumed from the release that Ricki had not even been consulted?
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I know one person this won't be - Allan Jones.
Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time.
Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment.
He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc.
Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions??
Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time.
Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment.
He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc.
Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions??
Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan Jones may be one of the most qualified coaches in NZ but I don't rate him.What has he done at National level? Has never played at any level, and is one of many Poms that came to NZ and did nothing to improve the standard.
He is a coaches coch, not a players coach.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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John Adshead has national director of coaching in Oman 2000-2005 and according to the YF news(stuff) he recommends that NZ plays Oman, UAE and Qatar which are more similar in playing style to Bahrain and Saudi and not Iraq and Jordan that the NZF are trying to get friendlies from.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/football/2518838/All-Whites-Middle-East-task-very-difficult
BTW it would be nice for the team to base themselves at the Jebel Ali Centre of Excellence in Dubai, it has everything . . .
. . . . For more details and information, please contact:
Jebel Ali International Centre of Excellence
PO Box 9255, Dubai, UAE
Telephone: +971 4 883 0828
Fax: +971 4 883 1061
E-mail :
Academy Manager: chris.brown@jaihotels.com
It has the English FA stamp of approval and many big clubs has use it for their haven training facility away.
http://www.jaicentreofexcellence.com/
Ryan Nelson has been there as well as Paul Smalley, so we do know about it.
"You can't even begin to imagine that it's going to be a comfortable ride, because it won't be,"
"The likes of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia are going to leave no stone unturned. They'll do the right preparation and will give the players, should they be successful, rewards that we could never match."
"On the rollercoaster that is international football, Middle East teams tend to have very high highs followed quickly by very low lows,"
"Patience with coaches runs thin very quickly. In Oman, I coached the under-20s and under-17s consistently for five years and, in the same period of time, we had six national team coaches."
[ Bahrain's coach, Milan Micala, has been in charge for two years after previously coaching Oman.]
"It depends whether you get them up on a high, or down on a low."
"the start of winter".
"They won't get 50-degree heat, but it's still going to be very, very hot. It's a dry, very tiring heat and, although the players might want to be active during the day, they can't be; they have to rest. Even training sessions will take a hell of a lot out of them."
He said the All Whites should go to the Middle East "reasonably early, if possible".
They would do well to base themselves in Oman's capital, Muscat. New Zealand Football hopes to arrange warmup games against Jordan and Iraq in September.
He said Herbert had to "forget about the Confederations Cup tournament now" and look at tomorrow's last game against Iraq in Johannesburg as "a big learning curve".
"Iraq produce some big, strong lads that can play this game," he said.
"They fight wars these boys, and we're not talking about wars on the football field. They are very disciplined.
"They will get a good gauge of where they're at [for the World Cup qualifiers]."
"The likes of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia are going to leave no stone unturned. They'll do the right preparation and will give the players, should they be successful, rewards that we could never match."
"On the rollercoaster that is international football, Middle East teams tend to have very high highs followed quickly by very low lows,"
"Patience with coaches runs thin very quickly. In Oman, I coached the under-20s and under-17s consistently for five years and, in the same period of time, we had six national team coaches."
[ Bahrain's coach, Milan Micala, has been in charge for two years after previously coaching Oman.]
"It depends whether you get them up on a high, or down on a low."
"the start of winter".
"They won't get 50-degree heat, but it's still going to be very, very hot. It's a dry, very tiring heat and, although the players might want to be active during the day, they can't be; they have to rest. Even training sessions will take a hell of a lot out of them."
He said the All Whites should go to the Middle East "reasonably early, if possible".
They would do well to base themselves in Oman's capital, Muscat. New Zealand Football hopes to arrange warmup games against Jordan and Iraq in September.
He said Herbert had to "forget about the Confederations Cup tournament now" and look at tomorrow's last game against Iraq in Johannesburg as "a big learning curve".
"Iraq produce some big, strong lads that can play this game," he said.
"They fight wars these boys, and we're not talking about wars on the football field. They are very disciplined.
"They will get a good gauge of where they're at [for the World Cup qualifiers]."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/football/2518838/All-Whites-Middle-East-task-very-difficult
BTW it would be nice for the team to base themselves at the Jebel Ali Centre of Excellence in Dubai, it has everything . . .
. . . . For more details and information, please contact:
Jebel Ali International Centre of Excellence
PO Box 9255, Dubai, UAE
Telephone: +971 4 883 0828
Fax: +971 4 883 1061
E-mail :
Academy Manager: chris.brown@jaihotels.com
It has the English FA stamp of approval and many big clubs has use it for their haven training facility away.
http://www.jaicentreofexcellence.com/
Ryan Nelson has been there as well as Paul Smalley, so we do know about it.
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I know one person this won't be - Allan Jones.
Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time.
Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment.
He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc.
Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions??
Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time.
Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment.
He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc.
Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions??
Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan Jones may be one of the most qualified coaches in NZ but I don't rate him.What has he done at National level? Has never played at any level, and is one of many Poms that came to NZ and did nothing to improve the standard.
He is a coaches coch, not a players coach.
He won 3 NZFC titles back to back and the Oceania Champions League - not bad really.
Peoples Republik of Aucklandia
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I know one person this won't be - Allan Jones. Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time. Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment. He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc. Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions?? Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan Jones may be one of the most qualified coaches in NZ but I don't rate him.What has he done at National level? Has never played at any level, and is one of many Poms that came to NZ and did nothing to improve the standard. He is a coaches coch, not a players coach.
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He won 3 NZFC titles back to back and the Oceania Champions League - not bad really.
Coaching the wealthy team and the tops players.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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you are missing the point Leggy
Ricki has had the all whites and the Phoenix for a fair time our performances are not getting better
never mind the 1 point crap
plaYING sPAIN AND TO A LESSER EXTENT sOUTH aFRICA WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW WE COULD COMPETE ,PROBABLY NOT WIN,BUT COMPETE AND SHOW A STYLE OF PLAY AT THIS LEVEL
THESE ARE ALL RICKI,S PLAYERS AND HE,S HAD LOADS OF TIME WITH THEM
WE WERE ABYSMAL IN THE WAY WE PLAYED
AGAINST IRAQ WE DID OK BUT THEY ARE NOTHING SPECIAL,BUT THATS COS SOME OF THE PLAYERS PUT IT IN, NOT RICKI.WORD COMING OUT THE CAMP IS THAT HE,SJUST ORDINARY WHEREAS WE WANT SOMETHING BETTER
FUNNY ENOUGH,AND HE WOULD BE THE WRONG CHOICE,BUT ALLAN JONES WOULD DO A BETTER JOB,WHAT HAS RICKI WON CLUB WISE!!
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I know one person this won't be - Allan Jones.
Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time.
Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment.
He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc.
Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions??
Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time.
Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment.
He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc.
Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions??
Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan Jones may be one of the most qualified coaches in NZ but I don't rate him.What has he done at National level? Has never played at any level, and is one of many Poms that came to NZ and did nothing to improve the standard.
He is a coaches coch, not a players coach.
Leggy,
I don't have to be Allan's Cheerleader as his record speaks for its self. At the end of the day he has been a full time professional coach for in excess of 30 years across four continents. He has just picked up another two year contract in the Middle East.
But in response to your question of what has he done at National Level you might recall back in the mid 80's he was All White coach when we beat Australia home and away and achieved a similar feat against Japan. You can throw in a victory over Ghana if you want.
If we able to achieve those results today we would be ranked around 30 in the world.
I admire the high standards you set.
Regards
Craig
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Craig,
Well written.
The world wasn't born two years ago....
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Ricki definitely needs some help on this assignment and this guy Allan sounds the businness. Get him on board. Terry wll finance him!
Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.
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you are missing the point Leggy
TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS DOES NOT MAKE US CARE MORE, IT IS JUST ANNOYING!Ricki has had the all whites and the Phoenix for a fair time our performances are not getting better
never mind the 1 point crap
plaYING sPAIN AND TO A LESSER EXTENT sOUTH aFRICA WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW WE COULD COMPETE ,PROBABLY NOT WIN,BUT COMPETE AND SHOW A STYLE OF PLAY AT THIS LEVEL
THESE ARE ALL RICKI,S PLAYERS AND HE,S HAD LOADS OF TIME WITH THEM
WE WERE ABYSMAL IN THE WAY WE PLAYED
AGAINST IRAQ WE DID OK BUT THEY ARE NOTHING SPECIAL,BUT THATS COS SOME OF THE PLAYERS PUT IT IN, NOT RICKI.WORD COMING OUT THE CAMP IS THAT HE,SJUST ORDINARY WHEREAS WE WANT SOMETHING BETTER
FUNNY ENOUGH,AND HE WOULD BE THE WRONG CHOICE,BUT ALLAN JONES WOULD DO A BETTER JOB,WHAT HAS RICKI WON CLUB WISE!!
You know we belong together...
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you are missing the point Leggy
TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS DOES NOT MAKE US CARE MORE, IT IS JUST ANNOYING!
Ricki has had the all whites and the Phoenix for a fair time our performances are not getting better
never mind the 1 point crap
plaYING sPAIN AND TO A LESSER EXTENT sOUTH aFRICA WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW WE COULD COMPETE ,PROBABLY NOT WIN,BUT COMPETE AND SHOW A STYLE OF PLAY AT THIS LEVEL
THESE ARE ALL RICKI,S PLAYERS AND HE,S HAD LOADS OF TIME WITH THEM
WE WERE ABYSMAL IN THE WAY WE PLAYED
AGAINST IRAQ WE DID OK BUT THEY ARE NOTHING SPECIAL,BUT THATS COS SOME OF THE PLAYERS PUT IT IN, NOT RICKI.WORD COMING OUT THE CAMP IS THAT HE,SJUST ORDINARY WHEREAS WE WANT SOMETHING BETTER
FUNNY ENOUGH,AND HE WOULD BE THE WRONG CHOICE,BUT ALLAN JONES WOULD DO A BETTER JOB,WHAT HAS RICKI WON CLUB WISE!!
Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.
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I know one person this won't be - Allan Jones. Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time. Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment. He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc. Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions?? Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan Jones may be one of the most qualified coaches in NZ but I don't rate him.What has he done at National level? Has never played at any level, and is one of many Poms that came to NZ and did nothing to improve the standard. He is a coaches coch, not a players coach.
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Leggy,
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I don't have to be Allan's Cheerleader as his record speaks for its self. At the end of the day he has been a�full time professional coach for in excess of 30 years across four continents. He has just picked up another two year contract in the Middle East.
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But in response to your question of what has he done at National Level you might recall back in the mid 80's he was All White coach when we beat Australia home and away and achieved a similar feat against Japan. You can throw in a victory over Ghana if you want.
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If we able to achieve those results today we would be ranked around 30 in the world.
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I admire the high standards you set.
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Regards
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Craig
There maybe some things in what you say. Allan Jones cares about New Zealand Football as much as I care about American Ice Hockey. He is only interested abour money.
Riki is the first NZ coach and as I am a big critic, at this time I am prepared to give him the bennifit of the doubt.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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would like to see John Adshead involved.
he's coached in the middle east before and would be a good figure head.
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WHAT HAS RICKI WON CLUB WISE!!
Back to back Chatham Cup titles
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I know one person this won't be - Allan Jones. Allan has just signed a two year contract with a club side in Oman and leaves in 2 weeks time. Having spent roughly 12 years of the last 25 years coaching in the middle east. He would have been an ideal foil for Ricki on this assignment. He also speaks Arabic which I imagine would have been an advantage and knows local protocols etc. Whether there is anyone else locally that can assist I'm not aware. Any suggestions?? Another question. One would expect Ricki to go to both legs of the Asian playoffs in Sept. Will this be acceptable to The Phoenix?
Allan Jones may be one of the most qualified coaches in NZ but I don't rate him.What has he done at National level? Has never played at any level, and is one of many Poms that came to NZ and did nothing to improve the standard. He is a coaches coch, not a players coach.
Leggy,
I don't have to be Allan's Cheerleader as his record speaks for its self. At the end of the day he has been a full time professional coach for in excess of 30 years across four continents. He has just picked up another two year contract in the Middle East.
But in response to your question of what has he done at National Level you might recall back in the mid 80's he was All White coach when we beat Australia home and away and achieved a similar feat against Japan. You can throw in a victory over Ghana if you want.
If we able to achieve those results today we would be ranked around 30 in the world.
I admire the high standards you set.
Regards
Craig
There maybe some things in what you say. Allan Jones cares about New Zealand Football as much as I care about American Ice Hockey. He is only interested abour money.
Riki is the first NZ coach and as I am a big critic, at this time I am prepared to give him the bennifit of the doubt.
It really does annoy me when people throw around the "He is only interested in money" line to describe anyone. Be it players or coaches or administrators. I am pretty certain that on a per hour basis anyone receiving any form of remuneration at club level in the game would be financially better of flipping burgers at a fast food chain.
For the number of times I have seen Allan provide support and assistance to a whole host of people in the game it is pretty disparaging to throw that label at him.
Just as a sample of his voluntary input in recent times
1. Taking training sessions for at Glenfield last season a +50km round trip from his home last season.
2. Travelling out of town to assess opposition for Chris Milicich at Waitakere United two seasons back. This was an all day affair travelling to the likes of Hawkes Bay and Manawatu.
3. A number of coaches use Allan almost in a mentor fashion calling and seeking advice / direction. This includes past NZFC coaches who I won't name as that is their business.
4. Speaking at referee functions.
5. Speaking at coach gatherings arranged by Soccer 2.
I can also tell you of the coaches Auckland City have had since the inception of the NZFC that Allan's salary was the lowest of any of them.
We have a great ability to be quite disrespectful to other people in the game. It really isn't warranted. I quite often think the major challenges sport lie within not anything external.
Perhaps you might like to measure your own input to the game before questioning anyone elses.
Regards
Craig
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oooh... this should be interesting.
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WHAT HAS RICKI WON CLUB WISE!!
Back to back Chatham Cup titles
2ndBest - what years were those Chatham Cups and which club?
I'm wondering if you are putting down Central United's two triumphs in 1997 & 98.
I pretty sure Ricki was the coach of the National League / Summer League squad while Bill Harris was the coach with the Northern League squad that also won the Chatham Cups.
No disrespect to Ricki but I could imagine Bill Harris would like the recognition for what he achieved.
Cheers
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I respect some of the things you say, but I was involved with a West Auckland side that invited him to a prize giving-- and it cost up heaps.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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