National Team Coaches
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NZF are in the process of interviewing candidates for upcoming national (men's) youth team jobs.
Who would you pick?
Incumbent are Steve Cain (17s) and Stu Jacobs (20s).
The next U17 World Cup is in 2011 in Mexico for players born after 1 January 1994 and the next U20 World Cup is in 2011 in Colombia for players born after 1 January 1991.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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You should apply Smithy.
Three for me, and two for them.
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You should apply Smithy.
Don't make me ban you again for more stupid.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Keep Steve definately.
I probably agree. But I really don't know who else is out there...
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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You should apply Smithy.
Don't make me ban you again for more stupid.
I was serious
Three for me, and two for them.
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There is just no good coaches out there in NZ. Who is going to coach the AW's for 2014? Danny Hay?.
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Is Posa going to stay on at ACFC?
Normo's coming home
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There is just no good coaches out there in NZ. Who is going to coach the AW's for 2014? Danny Hay?.
There is obviously no good English teacherz either.
For 2014 the AWs coach could quite conceivably still be Ricki Herbert.
Sauces also tell me that some ageing ACFC and Waitak players are starting to take their coaching quite seriously so there might be something come out of there. One would hope they would serve an appreticeship at club level though before being thrust straight in at National Team level.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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what about Mike Debono or Johan (forgot his last name)
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Johan Koutstaal?
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Sauces also tell me that some ageing ACFC and Waitak players are starting to take their coaching quite seriously so there might be something come out of there. One would hope they would serve an appreticeship at club level though before being thrust straight in at National Team level.
For the record, i think Vicelich would make a decent coach.
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The only names that spring to mind are either above youth level (Waitt and Colin Tuaa) or people such as Douglas (who tbh has had a chance already), Emblin or maybe Luciano Trani.
Hopefully Cain stays involved. I have a feeling that he will be a future AW manager, possibly after Ricki's days are up.
Hopefully Cain stays involved. I have a feeling that he will be a future AW manager, possibly after Ricki's days are up.
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Johan Koutstaal?
Yep, he was my coach at the camp and he was a very good coach
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Johan certainly takes his coaching serously although he hasn't had a great deal of success with the sides he's run, maybe more suited to his current development role
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Sauces also tell me that some ageing ACFC and Waitak players are starting to take their coaching quite seriously so there might be something come out of there. One would hope they would serve an appreticeship at club level though before being thrust straight in at National Team level.
For the record, i think Vicelich would make a decent coach.
Similarly, Ryan Nelsen has too much experience and too a good a football brain for him to slip through the net.
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Sauces also tell me that some ageing ACFC and Waitak players are starting to take their coaching quite seriously so there might be something come out of there. One would hope they would serve an appreticeship at club level though before being thrust straight in at National Team level.
For the record, i think Vicelich would make a decent coach.
Similarly, Ryan Nelsen has too much experience and too a good a football brain for him to slip through the net.
After his playing career, Ryan will almost certainly return to the States. His wife is American and he enjoys a very high profile there from his time with DC United.
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B]tomrewi posted
what about Mike Debono or Johan (forgot his last name)
What teams of any great note have these two coached?
A federation junior team and a crap nzfc team?
Enlighten me if you will.
what about Mike Debono or Johan (forgot his last name)
What teams of any great note have these two coached?
A federation junior team and a crap nzfc team?
Enlighten me if you will.
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i would like to enlighten you that Johan was the former Youth coach of Fulham FC and some Dutch age-group teams. Im pretty sure Fulham youth is much better quality than crap NZFC teams and Federation junior teams IIRC.
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Johan's a pretty clued-up coach, for mine - technically very strong, and he has very clear ideas about the game.
I would suggest his lack of success with teams is in no small way due to having players at his disposal who, while they might be regarded as the best available in their area in terms of their physical attributes (e.g. pace, athleticism, etc. ... the things generally regarded as strengths of the NZ game), with a couple of exceptions aren't really much chop when it comes to genuine footballing ability (i.e. their technical prowess - e.g. can they pass a ball accurately over ten yards ten times out of ten with the inside and outside of both feet? You'll be amazed how many players fail to achieve this seemingly simple task).
Cheers,
JR
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Johan's a pretty clued-up coach, for mine - technically very strong, and he has very clear ideas about the game.
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I would suggest his lack of success with teams�is in�no�small way�due to having players at his disposal who, while they might be regarded as�the best available in their area in terms of their physical attributes (e.g. pace, athleticism, etc. ... the things generally regarded as strengths of the NZ game), with a couple of exceptions aren't really much chop when it comes to genuine footballing ability (i.e. their technical prowess - e.g. can they pass a ball accurately over ten yards ten times out of ten with the inside and outside of both feet? You'll be amazed how many players fail to achieve this seemingly�simple task).
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You are quite right. That has been the problem with NZ football for years.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Originally posted by Scousekiwi
Johan's a pretty clued-up coach, for mine - technically very strong, and he has very clear ideas about the game.
I would suggest his lack of success with teams is in no small way due to having players at his disposal who, while they might be regarded as the best available in their area in terms of their physical attributes (e.g. pace, athleticism, etc. ... the things generally regarded as strengths of the NZ game), with a couple of exceptions aren't really much chop when it comes to genuine footballing ability (i.e. their technical prowess - e.g. can they pass a ball accurately over ten yards ten times out of ten with the inside and outside of both feet? You'll be amazed how many players fail to achieve this seemingly simple task).
Cheers,
JR
Thanks for the info on Johan.
Yes as a player and coach I do know how many seniors let alone youth players struggle with basics.
We need to have top coaches at the younger ages not just with 12years and up.
Originally posted by Scousekiwi
Johan's a pretty clued-up coach, for mine - technically very strong, and he has very clear ideas about the game.
I would suggest his lack of success with teams is in no small way due to having players at his disposal who, while they might be regarded as the best available in their area in terms of their physical attributes (e.g. pace, athleticism, etc. ... the things generally regarded as strengths of the NZ game), with a couple of exceptions aren't really much chop when it comes to genuine footballing ability (i.e. their technical prowess - e.g. can they pass a ball accurately over ten yards ten times out of ten with the inside and outside of both feet? You'll be amazed how many players fail to achieve this seemingly simple task).
Cheers,
JR
Thanks for the info on Johan.
Yes as a player and coach I do know how many seniors let alone youth players struggle with basics.
We need to have top coaches at the younger ages not just with 12years and up.
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New Zealand Football: Cain reappointed, Milicich promoted to age-group roles
February 15, 2010
AUCKLAND � Steve Cain has been reappointed to the role of head coach of the New Zealand U-17 football team while former Waitakere United coach Chris Milicich takes his first national role as head coach of the New Zealand U-20s.
Cain coached the 2009 Young All Whites to a ground-breaking appearance in the knockout stages of the FIFA U-17 World Cup in Nigeria and will now build a new crop of youngsters towards the 2011 edition in Mexico.
�You always like to think we can go one better, but realistically if we can equal what the last group did then it�s a start, but if we can take them even further then it�s a huge step forward for the game,� Cain said.
�The trick now is to negotiate the knockout phase and take the lessons we learnt from the last World Cup and hopefully use that experience to go further this time around.�
Beyond tournament aims, getting more players into professional environments is high on the list of priorities for Cain.
�We�ve got three players from the last group at British clubs and Gordon Murie at University in the United States and I expect two or three more to join him in the next few years. So looked at from that point of view, we�ve had some success and I wouldn�t be surprised to see these players and some others graduate into U-20s for the next campaign.�
Milicich joins the national set-up for the first time boasting a successful coaching record with New Zealand Football Championship franchise Waitakere United.
Under Milicich, Waitakere collected two NZFC Minor Premierships, one NZFC Grand Final win, and two OFC Champions League titles, but realises his new role may require a different blend of immediate and long-term success as he and his side target qualification for the 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup in Colombia.
�Developing players that are capable of stepping up to Olympic and then All White levels as well as into professional environments around the world is a core component of the U-20s role,� Milicich said.
�It�s a wonderful opportunity and one I feel very privileged and ready to take the team as far as we can.
�We could focus too much on getting results with a pragmatic style but that would be a disservice to the players and where we fit within the national hierarchy.�
Previous U-20 coach Stu Jacobs, who has been in charge of the Junior All Whites since 2006 and led the U-23 side to the Beijing Olympics in 2008, pulled out of the U-20 appointment process citing a desire to spend more time with his family.
The respective Oceania qualifying campaigns will be hosted in Auckland next year, with the U-20 Championships held in January, and the U-17 version following in April.
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Johan Koutstaal?
Yep, he was my coach at the camp and he was a very good coach
From what I understand, there are a large number of Capital Soccer's NWL squad who would strongly disagree with that.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
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<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt"><FONT face=Calibri>New Zealand Football: Cain reappointed, Milicich promoted to age-group roles<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN>
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>February 15, 2010
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>AUCKLAND � Steve Cain has been reappointed to the role of head coach of the New Zealand U-17 football team while former Waitakere United coach Chris Milicich takes his first national role as head coach of the New Zealand U-20s.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Cain coached the 2009 Young All Whites to a ground-breaking appearance in the knockout stages of the FIFA U-17 World Cup in Nigeria and will now build a new crop of youngsters towards the 2011 edition in Mexico.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>�You always like to think we can go one better, but realistically if we can equal what the last group did then it�s a start, but if we can take them even further then it�s a huge step forward for the game,� Cain said.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>�The trick now is to negotiate the knockout phase and take the lessons we learnt from the last World Cup and hopefully use that experience to go further this time around.�
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Beyond tournament aims, getting more players into professional environments is high on the list of priorities for Cain.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>�We�ve got three players from the last group at British clubs and Gordon Murie at University in the United States and I expect two or three more to join him in the next few years. So looked at from that point of view, we�ve had some success and I wouldn�t be surprised to see these players and some others graduate into U-20s for the next campaign.�
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Milicich joins the national set-up for the first time boasting a successful coaching record with New Zealand Football Championship franchise Waitakere United.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Under Milicich, Waitakere collected two NZFC Minor Premierships, one NZFC Grand Final win, and two OFC Champions League titles, but realises his new role may require a different blend of immediate and long-term success as he and his side target qualification for the 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup in Colombia.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>�Developing players that are capable of stepping up to Olympic and then All White levels as well as into professional environments around the world is a core component of the U-20s role,� Milicich said.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>��It�s a wonderful opportunity and one I feel very privileged and ready to take the team as far as we can.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>��We could focus too much on getting results with a pragmatic style but that would be a disservice to the players and where we fit within the national hierarchy.�
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Previous U-20 coach Stu Jacobs, who has been in charge of the Junior All Whites since 2006 and led the U-23 side to the Beijing Olympics in 2008, pulled out of the U-20 appointment process citing a desire to spend more time with his family.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>The respective Oceania qualifying campaigns will be hosted in Auckland next year, with the U-20 Championships held in January, and the U-17 version following in April.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>February 15, 2010
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>AUCKLAND � Steve Cain has been reappointed to the role of head coach of the New Zealand U-17 football team while former Waitakere United coach Chris Milicich takes his first national role as head coach of the New Zealand U-20s.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Cain coached the 2009 Young All Whites to a ground-breaking appearance in the knockout stages of the FIFA U-17 World Cup in Nigeria and will now build a new crop of youngsters towards the 2011 edition in Mexico.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>�You always like to think we can go one better, but realistically if we can equal what the last group did then it�s a start, but if we can take them even further then it�s a huge step forward for the game,� Cain said.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>�The trick now is to negotiate the knockout phase and take the lessons we learnt from the last World Cup and hopefully use that experience to go further this time around.�
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Beyond tournament aims, getting more players into professional environments is high on the list of priorities for Cain.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>�We�ve got three players from the last group at British clubs and Gordon Murie at University in the United States and I expect two or three more to join him in the next few years. So looked at from that point of view, we�ve had some success and I wouldn�t be surprised to see these players and some others graduate into U-20s for the next campaign.�
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Milicich joins the national set-up for the first time boasting a successful coaching record with New Zealand Football Championship franchise Waitakere United.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Under Milicich, Waitakere collected two NZFC Minor Premierships, one NZFC Grand Final win, and two OFC Champions League titles, but realises his new role may require a different blend of immediate and long-term success as he and his side target qualification for the 2011 FIFA U-20 World Cup in Colombia.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>�Developing players that are capable of stepping up to Olympic and then All White levels as well as into professional environments around the world is a core component of the U-20s role,� Milicich said.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>��It�s a wonderful opportunity and one I feel very privileged and ready to take the team as far as we can.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>��We could focus too much on getting results with a pragmatic style but that would be a disservice to the players and where we fit within the national hierarchy.�
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>Previous U-20 coach Stu Jacobs, who has been in charge of the Junior All Whites since 2006 and led the U-23 side to the Beijing Olympics in 2008, pulled out of the U-20 appointment process citing a desire to spend more time with his family.
<P =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 12pt"><FONT face=Calibri color=#000000 size=3>The respective Oceania qualifying campaigns will be hosted in Auckland next year, with the U-20 Championships held in January, and the U-17 version following in April.
I think Cain is a good choice.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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I could see Nelsen as a possible AWs coach in the distant future
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Possible, but it's not always the superstar players who become the best coaches.
More likely someone a bit surprising like Browny.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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That is true. But even if he werent to become a national coach, I myself (and probably the rest of NZ) would like to see him stay involved with NZF in one way or another. Id hate to see what happened to Rufer happen to Nelsen. It would be a great loss to the game.
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Would be nice. But who knows what the future might hold. He might just want a quiet retirement.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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That is true. But even if he werent to become a national coach, I myself (and probably the rest of NZ) would like to see him stay involved with NZF in one way or another. Id hate to see what happened to Rufer happen to Nelsen. It would be a great loss to the game.
I get the feeling he may well go back to America. Wifes American isnt she?www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com
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After he plays for the nix of course!!
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Johan Koutstaal?
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From what I understand, there are a large number of Capital Soccer's NWL squad who would strongly disagree with that.
I found him to be a capable coach at Dunedin Technical as well as suitable development coach and a fairly good coaching mentor in the past.
In my experience, I find that there are supporters and detractors for every coach because everyone has an opinion on how to run things and if they are not all on-board at the beginning it is hard to get any success. It only takes one or a few players to spoil the whole season. Can't please everyone and being a coach is a thankless task. Most players will never understand the amount of work that at times may not be rewarding enough.
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