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Rysie Nelsen has to be first choice.  But if he came out of retirement, Vaughan  Coveny would be my choice.  Tim Brown and Ivan Vicelich are good candidates too!  What do others think?
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Nelson is a waste of time. he has no interest with the AWS
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I wouldnt if ur captain of Blackburn!!!! Nah no way Coveny. Too old man time for him to go soon. Rather someone young so he can be captain for 5 years or so. I say Leo Bertos!

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id rather represent my nation as captain than represent my club has captain, doesnt matter how big/
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Not at all. Sorry but captaining New Zealand yes well done good achievement not even our national sport and not even a good team. Captain of a premiership football team, sorry thats better. Unless u play for a nation like England or something then sure great honour.
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lol.. na. playing for your country comes higher than your club. your shud be proud of where you are from.. even if you play for a crappy football nation

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Im proud when the all blacks play and i thnk to be captain of them great achievment but when i see the all whites play im not proud to be a kiwi because they play like sh*t everytime hitting longballs all day and not even attempting to play football. Captain of Greece tht would be a proud moment. But Nz i rather be captain of silver furns mate.

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Celtic's right.  He gets it.  Ryan come back later this year - or you'll lose a lot of your friends that you well deserve...
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Tim Brown should be captain, and come on Pavlos8, the All Whites aren't that bad at all, we have some class players, the only problem is that they are rarely available.loyalgunner2007-08-03 16:42:04
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Brown gets my vote purely coz he's almost certain to be available unlike Nelsen etc...he's also one of the first on the team sheet and his record isnt too shabby either
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Well my preference is still Ryan Nelsen, and I really hope that he pulls on the white shirt for NZ again.  Doesn't look good though.  I think Blackburn (thems who pays his wages) will try and keep him in the gloomy climes of Lancashire rather than warm sunny NZ (I'm an optimist on the weather!) helping us to qualify against the minnows.  In fact it would not surprise me at all if Ryan said that he would only turn up for a Playoff to get to South Africa.  Tim Brown must then have the inside running being captain against Wales and vice captain at the Nix!
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Some people have different preferences and I can sort of understand that.
 
But personally no matter how little, small or little of stature the country is there would be no greater honour for me than to run out onto a field as captain of my nation.
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or is it a greater honour to be the only active NZ player actually playing in the Premier League? and captaining a team at that.
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could always do both, its not like we play alot of internationals
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i think its the travel thats the issu. If u were being paid NZ$50,000 a week to play in front of 30,000+ week in week out, do u think i'd wanna fly half way round the world to play for a team in a country that hardly cares about football?

yes you can talk about honour n' all that but i can tell ya what i'd rather win out of a Nations Cup or Premier League.
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I have no issue with players in the UK not playing mickey mouse games for NZ, purely because of what is at risk.  It is not only the chance of injury during games for NZ, but also the effect of travelling.  Squads have such depth there, that missing 1 league game due to jet lag caused by flying from NZ to UK after playing a All Whites vs Solomon Islands fixture, could mean losing the place in the team for good.  The knock-on affect of losing the place in the team is a transfer at the end of the season to Accrington Stanley, and a quarter of the wages.
 
Not worth the risk at all.
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Nelsen captain, Tim Brown Vice captain.

I'm not expecting Nelsen, Elliott or Killen to play OFC qualifiers. And I wouldn't hold it against them. We should be able to win regardless.
 
I just hope that after that, we have a few games at full strength played in Europe (so its easier for clubs to release them) prior to the Asian/Sth American play off game. That way they can get used to Rickis system and the other players.  
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BTW, this should be on the All Whites thread?? 
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What might make it a little easier for players like Killen and Nelsen to play in these qualifying games is they are played in a FIFA window.
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BTW, this should be on the All Whites thread?? 


Yes
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i think its pretty much been confirmed Killen is excused for a while so he can settle in with his new club.


ive got no problems with Ryan skipping a few minnow games ASLONG AS HE IS HERE FOR WHEN WE PLAY SEMI-CHALLENGING GAMES-Mr Nelsen if you are reading this you better start planning for time off!

if Elliot isnt in the starting XI i'd like to think he'd be released


its good that the likes of Boyens have stepped up in their absense
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Really? on what do you base such a direct statement?

 Ryan never turned down a call-up the entire time he was in the States, be it for the Olympic team or the All Whites... his trans-Atlantic travels prior to Confeds 03 were insane, but he carried through regardless and was outstanding on the pitch in France.

A call-up for the All Whites now would involve him flying for 24 hours to NZ, coupla days for the match, then turn around and fly back... NZF flies its players economy class, so he'd be in an awful state by the time he arrives back in England... quite possibly injured as a result... losing Lord knows how much in earnings... all to play a team like Tahiti that, with all due respect, if we can't beat without him we don't deserve to be at a World Cup...

Current All Whites coach Ricki Herbert withdrew from the AWs World Cup qualifying campaign in 1985, missing matches against teams like Australia and Israel, to concentrate on his club career in England - do you think he had no interest in the All Whites?

There are a range of reasons why Ryan has been unavailable, but I can guarantee you 100% that disloyalty or disinterest are not among them.
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sorry, above statement was about the earlier quote from the Celtic chap, not the one above from the Shrewsbury fan. 
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Nelsen is an obvious leader but his lack of playing consistently for the AW's through reasons (valid or not) mentioned above put him out of contention in my opinion. Tim Brown should captain, he's young and talented and he's proven his loyalty is outstanding through his constant support of his club side wharfies.... Availability won't be an issue for him, in the near future anyway.

I think if he is chosen and Nelsen and the like return from Europe for the more important qualifying games (if we get that far) the captaincy should remain with Tim- or whoever has been chosen on a regular basis.
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Crosby's Header wrote:

 all to play a team like Tahiti that, with all due respect, if we can't beat without him we don't deserve to be at a World Cup...

But isn't your higher quality players the reason you should be easily beating countries like that? What I mean to say is, players of Ryan Nelsen's quality are what makes te prosepect of beating Tahiti a laugh, do they not? NZ does have an advantage over the rest of the OFC player-wise, but not if they don't actually use said players. If your national team's plan is to just send weaker players to play down to weaker nation's levels then THAT'S why you don't deserve to be in the world cup. Any world cup game, minnow qualifiers included, should be treated as a number one priority.

And this "he's the captain of a top european club" argument is crap. Take my country (Canada) for example: This past season Kevin Mckenna captained recently promoted Bundesliga side Energie Cottbus, who were favoured to finish last, out of the relegation zone and they even challenged for a UEFA cup berth. Yet late in the season, march actually, he still captained Canada in a match against Bermuda of all countries. Not only is travel to Bermuda from former east germany not cheap, and the canadian soccer association isn't one to pay for first-class either, but that match had absolutely no profile, much less than a NZ versus Solomon Islands world cup qualifier. McKenna managed to keep his captaincy for the remainder of the season. The point is, playing for his country is not going to get Ryan Nelsen kicked out of the premiership. If he wants to be a d-bag and use that as an excuse then it's a load of crap.
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luggsy06 wrote:

Nelsen is an obvious leader but his lack of playing consistently for the AW's through reasons (valid or not) mentioned above put him out of contention in my opinion. Tim Brown should captain, he's young and talented and he's proven his loyalty is outstanding through his constant support of his club side wharfies.... Availability won't be an issue for him, in the near future anyway.

I think if he is chosen and Nelsen and the like return from Europe for the more important qualifying games (if we get that far) the captaincy should remain with Tim- or whoever has been chosen on a regular basis.
Totally.
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Like Nelsen said in an article recently. He is probably doing more for NZ football by playing regular games in the Premiership than playing for the All Whites against Malaysia.
 
We shouldn't need him for the WCQ against the island teams. But we need to start playing together as a team. If he just comes back for the 5th place asian team playoff. It might throw the momentum out of the team and could disrupt things. Other players might think Ryan is here now so I can take my foot of the gas and just rely on him. He needs to play in those qualifing games.
 
Even for the island teams it would be great. Think about it. We play Brazil and Ronoldinho is playing. It is great for all our young players to play against a super star. To the island teams. Ryan is the super star. Fiji wont get to play against a Brazil. They can watch Blackburn games on Tv and say I played against him.
 
Jst my thoughts. I can understand if he misses friendlies. But I think he needs to play in these WCQ's. If he is commited to the whole WC campaign then he should be captain.
LondonChris2007-08-03 21:37:22

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