yeah you'd presume on the basis of what we dished up last game it could be sore on the eyes but something tells me we will improve, maybe a few more days to acclimatise and surely the boys will fire up this game. With the coaches just happy to be there attitude that does worry me. But I'm hopeful. 1am time for us faaar out...hope its worth it!
Firstly I'll address the elephant in the room...ex mac city now Burnley U17 captain Leuluai was terrible. Honestly was the worst worst player on the park miles off it. If thats what gets you 3 years at burnley then we should all get our boots back on. He looked slow, lethargic, pushed off the ball and very non creative. Maybe just had a shocker but interested to see if he bounces back.
Every keeper at international level is a good shot stopper but not every goal keeper is a good decision maker or distributor...unfortunately Foord is one of those..he reminds me of Michael Woud. and thats scary. Foord learning his trade i guess but really needs to sort out the rough edges.
Issako? gassed after 20 mins.
Have we practised set pieces in the past year? It's the worst if seen from a nz side at any world cup.
The coach - his interview on NZF didnt give me much confidence before kick off it came across as lets just have some fun and care factor seemed low. When the cameras were on him it looked like he didnt want to be there...maybe thats just his persona but gees when you need a spark im not sure its coming from the coaching staff.
Positives....
Dylan Gardiner - was everywhere at the back cleaning up a lot of mess created by others around him. He was dominate in the air and strong in the tackle. Comes across as a strong leader with his talking and organising..dare i say it a young Danny Hay.
Thought our subs looked good when they entered with 30 to go. They came on when others around them were out on their feet but they caused the oppositions some problems. Sloane-Rodrigues looks classy, nice touches and direct minded, he was causing some problems for them, he probably needs to start. The #9 Ukich looks like if given more time he could hurt teams, he won 3 attacking free kicks with speed and quick feet and had a good shout for a penalty turned down late in the game, i'd probably look to start him next game considering the others didn't do too much. And the midfielder Mitchell a little light weight but tidy on the ball.
I thought the approach was ok despite it letting us down at times - we were trying to play football but in the heat and humidity it can be tough after defending for longish periods. It was good to see us chase the game at the end and have a crack although it opened us up a little in the late stages but ill put that down to tired legs.
Venezuela's top3 players just too good really.
My thoughts anyway...
Totally agree SN. With the fanfare that accompanied his signing I was expecting something exceptional....only to be so underwhelmed. Can't help but wonder if Sloane Rodriquez is also going down the same path. Certainly, from what I have seen of him he is decent without being anything exceptional. The stats don't lie....no goals from close to 10 NL and CL appearances and made minimal impact in those games. He is however being talked up big time and not sure what the justification is for that......six goals in 10 matches in his first year of senior football and 4 in six games for Cap Prem. Not sure placing such heavy expectation on the kids is fair....only one way from the top of the tree!
Firstly I'll address the elephant in the room...ex mac city now Burnley U17 captain Leuluai was terrible. Honestly was the worst worst player on the park miles off it. If thats what gets you 3 years at burnley then we should all get our boots back on. He looked slow, lethargic, pushed off the ball and very non creative. Maybe just had a shocker but interested to see if he bounces back.
Every keeper at international level is a good shot stopper but not every goal keeper is a good decision maker or distributor...unfortunately Foord is one of those..he reminds me of Michael Woud. and thats scary. Foord learning his trade i guess but really needs to sort out the rough edges.
Issako? gassed after 20 mins.
Have we practised set pieces in the past year? It's the worst if seen from a nz side at any world cup.
The coach - his interview on NZF didnt give me much confidence before kick off it came across as lets just have some fun and care factor seemed low. When the cameras were on him it looked like he didnt want to be there...maybe thats just his persona but gees when you need a spark im not sure its coming from the coaching staff.
Positives....
Dylan Gardiner - was everywhere at the back cleaning up a lot of mess created by others around him. He was dominate in the air and strong in the tackle. Comes across as a strong leader with his talking and organising..dare i say it a young Danny Hay.
Thought our subs looked good when they entered with 30 to go. They came on when others around them were out on their feet but they caused the oppositions some problems. Sloane-Rodrigues looks classy, nice touches and direct minded, he was causing some problems for them, he probably needs to start. The #9 Ukich looks like if given more time he could hurt teams, he won 3 attacking free kicks with speed and quick feet and had a good shout for a penalty turned down late in the game, i'd probably look to start him next game considering the others didn't do too much. And the midfielder Mitchell a little light weight but tidy on the ball.
I thought the approach was ok despite it letting us down at times - we were trying to play football but in the heat and humidity it can be tough after defending for longish periods. It was good to see us chase the game at the end and have a crack although it opened us up a little in the late stages but ill put that down to tired legs.
Venezuela's top3 players just too good really.
My thoughts anyway...
Totally agree SN. With the fanfare that accompanied his signing I was expecting something exceptional....only to be so underwhelmed. Can't help but wonder if Sloane Rodriquez is also going down the same path. Certainly, from what I have seen of him he is decent without being anything exceptional. The stats don't lie....no goals from close to 10 NL and CL appearances and made minimal impact in those games. He is however being talked up big time and not sure what the justification is for that......six goals in 10 matches in his first year of senior football and 4 in six games for Cap Prem. Not sure placing such heavy expectation on the kids is fair....only one way from the top of the tree!
I can understand someone not having their best game but he didnt even look like a footballer for 1 minute out there. Expectations? yes he was at man city now burnley. But someone must see something in him? hopefully we see it this tournament but i was shocked to see that performance. Obviously want the players to do well but crikey. Maybe a one off.
Sloane - Rodrigues looked decent like i said, i haven't seen too much of him and would like to see him start and play longer minutes.
To be honest i just want to see more life and enthusiasm out of the coach pre match and during it ffs. Do the trip some justice please.
Had high hopes on this time but like someone said to me a few weeks ago its different than playing the island teams. I get that but we should be better.
This will sound bizzare but i think we will score wither to go 1-0 up or 1-1...will we get a result though? probably not but Dare to Dream! could be at 1am to be fair
Some pretty awful commentary in the first ten minutes of the Brazil-New Caledonia match btw. Ridiculing the NCL players, not a single word spoken on them otherwise. One of them laughed when the keeper fluffed a catch (and regained control a second later). They're a minstrel show for these people. Shows the wider lack of respect OFC receives
That sounds a bit shark. I only saw the last 15 mins (which incl 10 mins ET).
NC lads were brave til the end and the crowd were cheering them on to score. Finished 9-0. So they improved from the England game.
Brazil popn 214,000,000 NC popn 271,000 790 Brazilians for each citizen of NC
Brazil verus inner city Welly.
According to Sofascore Brazil had 81 shots. I assumed that was a mistake when I first read it but doesn't appear so. 23 on target, 33 off target, 25 blocked. Brazil's striker Kaua Elias had 17 himself, scoring 3. Our U17s had 6 against Venezuela for comparison (who had 21).
Taking all that into mind, 9-0 is a really good effort. They conceded 10 from 39 shots against England. Same conversion rate would have had Brazil scoring 21.
Firstly I'll address the elephant in the room...ex mac city now Burnley U17 captain Leuluai was terrible. Honestly was the worst worst player on the park miles off it. If thats what gets you 3 years at burnley then we should all get our boots back on. He looked slow, lethargic, pushed off the ball and very non creative. Maybe just had a shocker but interested to see if he bounces back.
Every keeper at international level is a good shot stopper but not every goal keeper is a good decision maker or distributor...unfortunately Foord is one of those..he reminds me of Michael Woud. and thats scary. Foord learning his trade i guess but really needs to sort out the rough edges.
Issako? gassed after 20 mins.
Have we practised set pieces in the past year? It's the worst if seen from a nz side at any world cup.
The coach - his interview on NZF didnt give me much confidence before kick off it came across as lets just have some fun and care factor seemed low. When the cameras were on him it looked like he didnt want to be there...maybe thats just his persona but gees when you need a spark im not sure its coming from the coaching staff.
Positives....
Dylan Gardiner - was everywhere at the back cleaning up a lot of mess created by others around him. He was dominate in the air and strong in the tackle. Comes across as a strong leader with his talking and organising..dare i say it a young Danny Hay.
Thought our subs looked good when they entered with 30 to go. They came on when others around them were out on their feet but they caused the oppositions some problems. Sloane-Rodrigues looks classy, nice touches and direct minded, he was causing some problems for them, he probably needs to start. The #9 Ukich looks like if given more time he could hurt teams, he won 3 attacking free kicks with speed and quick feet and had a good shout for a penalty turned down late in the game, i'd probably look to start him next game considering the others didn't do too much. And the midfielder Mitchell a little light weight but tidy on the ball.
I thought the approach was ok despite it letting us down at times - we were trying to play football but in the heat and humidity it can be tough after defending for longish periods. It was good to see us chase the game at the end and have a crack although it opened us up a little in the late stages but ill put that down to tired legs.
Venezuela's top3 players just too good really.
My thoughts anyway...
Totally agree SN. With the fanfare that accompanied his signing I was expecting something exceptional....only to be so underwhelmed. Can't help but wonder if Sloane Rodriquez is also going down the same path. Certainly, from what I have seen of him he is decent without being anything exceptional. The stats don't lie....no goals from close to 10 NL and CL appearances and made minimal impact in those games. He is however being talked up big time and not sure what the justification is for that......six goals in 10 matches in his first year of senior football and 4 in six games for Cap Prem. Not sure placing such heavy expectation on the kids is fair....only one way from the top of the tree!
As a rough form guide. Mexico & Venezuela just drew 2-2. Germany beat Mexico 3-1. We lost to Venezuela 3-0. So a 6-1 loss coming up!
Though Venezuela did play from the 40th min with 10 men (or is it 10 boys) against the Mexicans. The Venezuelans (who have a Mexican coach) were up 1-0 prior the sending off.
Defo second best but we’re growing into the game and creating chances. Supyk is a gun. Despite his nice cameo vs Venezuela, Ukich is struggling, few mistakes and rash decisions
Get to halftime with the scores level and regroup. Good showing so far, too many fouls for my liking though. Clear lack of finesse with our passing and we’re rushing things a bit, but just give the ball to Supyk and run off him on the counter and who knows what can happen?
Exactly. Huns scored after 7.30 mins added time, when 6 mins were allocated.
Gutsy effort so far, if ridden our luck. But showed a bit on the counter. My feed is poor, but Ukich is actually a good little tricky player. Beaten a number of the Germans in tight spaces.
Excatly. Huns scored after 7.30 mins added time, when 6 mins were allocated.
Gutsy effort so far, if ridden our luck. But showed a bit on the counter. My feed is poor, but Ukich is actually a good little tricky player. Beaten a number of the Germans in tight spaces.
Yep a few really nice moments from Ukich! Had one turn on the German LB, skinned him and got into the box. Unfortunately he seems really fond of passing without thinking, can never capitalise on his efforts. Sound like a broken record but I’d love to see GSR come on for him if he’s gassed
Defense is absolutely fantastic. All three CBs (Gardiner, Dupont, Coveny) really showing their talents off, and Athan Thompson at LWB doing a really good job in 1v1s.
Excatly. Huns scored after 7.30 mins added time, when 6 mins were allocated.
Gutsy effort so far, if ridden our luck. But showed a bit on the counter. My feed is poor, but Ukich is actually a good little tricky player. Beaten a number of the Germans in tight spaces.
Huns doesn't make a lot of sense to me for Germans haha. They were not Germanic in origin, most likely the descendants of Xiongnu in the Mongolian steppe, and migrated over the years ever westward. They didn't speak a Germanic language, probably a proto-Turkic based on word evolution. Even then, in Europe, their main area (or at least Attila's) was north of the Danube in Hungary/Romania; perhaps with a centre somewhere in Serbia, though that is uncertain. Then they just upped and left, so even Hungarians don't descend from them. As Germans might say 'Sie sind auf keinen Fall einer von uns'.
Apologies for that digression, but, anyway, hard to be too critical with a 3-1 defeat. YH already touched on Ouedraogo, but also two of the goal scorers - Brunner and Moerstedt - are (or at least were when they left) the top German goal-scorers in the U19 Bundesliga. Brunner has 10 (3 penalties) goals in 611 minutes for Dortmund U19s in the U19 West, and Moerstedt has 10 (0 penalties) in 727 minutes for Hoffenheim U19s in the U19s Süd/Südwest. This is a higher level than guys like Garbett/Donkers were at pre-U20s and they are certainly performing better within those leagues. Darvich, the captain, turned down a senior deal at Freiburg with a look to have him fully integrated in the seniors to join Barcelona this past off-season. Some criticism from Freiburg fans that he wanted to earn too much above his station, but still.
Also, apparently they hit the woodwork four times, so that was lucky. They also outshot us 25-7. As things stand, a -5 goal difference is not great - for third place it will end up being at worst -4 (as we finish fourth if we don't beat Mexico) - but a -9 goal difference would have been curtains. Ecuador and Morocco beating Panama/Indonesia respectively would mean a win versus Mexico would take us above Group A's third place. Then if Burkina Faso and South Korea draw in Group E, they would both sit on one point and again be lower than a three-point NZ side. Those are possibly the most likely scenarios in which we scrape the last third-place-finisher spot. The other groups would require some big losses for the goal difference swings.
Sofascore has Walker as the highest rated New Zealander, likely because he won the penalty and three of three ground duels. Watson was the highest rated starter, though a lot of that is possibly down to scoring the penalty. Dupont (as he did against Venezuela) and Foord completed the most passes with 22 at 54% and 76% accuracy respectively. Finn Jeltsch at centre-back completed 74 in his 77 minutes for Germany. Ukich won the most duels with 8.
Wasn't a bad watch actually worth the 1am alarm. Boys dug deep defensively and gave it a decent crack with the ball when we got it back but the attackers just got too isolated and lacked support. Wasn't through a lack of effort though.
Though the changes to the line up worked reasonably well. Ukich drew a few fouls and looked lively but agree with an earlier post about his passing a bit off at times. Mitchell in the middle again looked tidy and our better midfielder. Coveny looked like he could be a good player he was steady and Gardiner got through a lot of work again and was organising the troops. Supryk impressed me the most...held it up well and drew fouls and chased good and bad balls all night.
The Burnley lad cannot defend. Terribly slow the game moves past him in a jog.
Set pieces again (apart from pen) looked a hit and hope job.
Glad we scored we deserved a goal for our efforts. Gutted we conceeded with last kick of first half it would've been awesome boost to go into the break 0-0. Looking forward to Mexico! Dare to Dream!
"Huns" for Germans is from Rudyard Kipling, as a description of the Kaiser's so-called barbarism
Huns yes is from WWI, being what the Tommies and Commonwealth troops nicknamed the Germans. For the French they were the Boche. I grew up reading Commando war comics
Apologies to any German readers. Was annoyed about their first goal, as MM stated the whistle should have gone for HT earlier.
Performance gives some hope against Mexico, who benefited from playing a 10 man Venezuela for 50+ mins
Excatly. Huns scored after 7.30 mins added time, when 6 mins were allocated.
Gutsy effort so far, if ridden our luck. But showed a bit on the counter. My feed is poor, but Ukich is actually a good little tricky player. Beaten a number of the Germans in tight spaces.
Huns doesn't make a lot of sense to me for Germans haha. They were not Germanic in origin, most likely the descendants of Xiongnu in the Mongolian steppe, and migrated over the years ever westward. They didn't speak a Germanic language, probably a proto-Turkic based on word evolution. Even then, in Europe, their main area (or at least Attila's) was north of the Danube in Hungary/Romania; perhaps with a centre somewhere in Serbia, though that is uncertain. Then they just upped and left, so even Hungarians don't descend from them. As Germans might say 'Sie sind auf keinen Fall einer von uns'.
Apologies for that digression, but, anyway, hard to be too critical with a 3-1 defeat. YH already touched on Ouedraogo, but also two of the goal scorers - Brunner and Moerstedt - are (or at least were when they left) the top German goal-scorers in the U19 Bundesliga. Brunner has 10 (3 penalties) goals in 611 minutes for Dortmund U19s in the U19 West, and Moerstedt has 10 (0 penalties) in 727 minutes for Hoffenheim U19s in the U19s Süd/Südwest. This is a higher level than guys like Garbett/Donkers were at pre-U20s and they are certainly performing better within those leagues. Darvich, the captain, turned down a senior deal at Freiburg with a look to have him fully integrated in the seniors to join Barcelona this past off-season. Some criticism from Freiburg fans that he wanted to earn too much above his station, but still.
Also, apparently they hit the woodwork four times, so that was lucky. They also outshot us 25-7. As things stand, a -5 goal difference is not great - for third place it will end up being at worst -4 (as we finish fourth if we don't beat Mexico) - but a -9 goal difference would have been curtains. Ecuador and Morocco beating Panama/Indonesia respectively would mean a win versus Mexico would take us above Group A's third place. Then if Burkina Faso and South Korea draw in Group E, they would both sit on one point and again be lower than a three-point NZ side. Those are possibly the most likely scenarios in which we scrape the last third-place-finisher spot. The other groups would require some big losses for the goal difference swings.
Sofascore has Walker as the highest rated New Zealander, likely because he won the penalty and three of three ground duels. Watson was the highest rated starter, though a lot of that is possibly down to scoring the penalty. Dupont (as he did against Venezuela) and Foord completed the most passes with 22 at 54% and 76% accuracy respectively. Finn Jeltsch at centre-back completed 74 in his 77 minutes for Germany. Ukich won the most duels with 8.
Excatly. Huns scored after 7.30 mins added time, when 6 mins were allocated.
Gutsy effort so far, if ridden our luck. But showed a bit on the counter. My feed is poor, but Ukich is actually a good little tricky player. Beaten a number of the Germans in tight spaces.
Huns doesn't make a lot of sense to me for Germans haha. They were not Germanic in origin, most likely the descendants of Xiongnu in the Mongolian steppe, and migrated over the years ever westward. They didn't speak a Germanic language, probably a proto-Turkic based on word evolution. Even then, in Europe, their main area (or at least Attila's) was north of the Danube in Hungary/Romania; perhaps with a centre somewhere in Serbia, though that is uncertain. Then they just upped and left, so even Hungarians don't descend from them. As Germans might say 'Sie sind auf keinen Fall einer von uns'.
Apologies for that digression, but, anyway, hard to be too critical with a 3-1 defeat. YH already touched on Ouedraogo, but also two of the goal scorers - Brunner and Moerstedt - are (or at least were when they left) the top German goal-scorers in the U19 Bundesliga. Brunner has 10 (3 penalties) goals in 611 minutes for Dortmund U19s in the U19 West, and Moerstedt has 10 (0 penalties) in 727 minutes for Hoffenheim U19s in the U19s Süd/Südwest. This is a higher level than guys like Garbett/Donkers were at pre-U20s and they are certainly performing better within those leagues. Darvich, the captain, turned down a senior deal at Freiburg with a look to have him fully integrated in the seniors to join Barcelona this past off-season. Some criticism from Freiburg fans that he wanted to earn too much above his station, but still.
Also, apparently they hit the woodwork four times, so that was lucky. They also outshot us 25-7. As things stand, a -5 goal difference is not great - for third place it will end up being at worst -4 (as we finish fourth if we don't beat Mexico) - but a -9 goal difference would have been curtains. Ecuador and Morocco beating Panama/Indonesia respectively would mean a win versus Mexico would take us above Group A's third place. Then if Burkina Faso and South Korea draw in Group E, they would both sit on one point and again be lower than a three-point NZ side. Those are possibly the most likely scenarios in which we scrape the last third-place-finisher spot. The other groups would require some big losses for the goal difference swings.
Sofascore has Walker as the highest rated New Zealander, likely because he won the penalty and three of three ground duels. Watson was the highest rated starter, though a lot of that is possibly down to scoring the penalty. Dupont (as he did against Venezuela) and Foord completed the most passes with 22 at 54% and 76% accuracy respectively. Finn Jeltsch at centre-back completed 74 in his 77 minutes for Germany. Ukich won the most duels with 8.
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