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almost 11 years ago

Tegal wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Gourdie: Did Jose not buy into your philosophy? 

Hudson: Umm, listen I’m not going to answer that. Because it’s irrelevant. Listen, alignment is… What I’m going to say, and this is the last time I’m going to say this, and the last time I’m going to talk about this. We have done this because of alignment. Now alignment is a lot of things. It’s not just style of play. But I’m just saying it’s alignment. We need the right characters in… listen I’m not going to go on, I’ve just shared with you why we’ve made the change.

Yeah - that was pretty much Hudson's weakest moment. Talk about grasping at straws.

Imagine if the conversation between Hudson and Figueira went "Hey Jose, I'm sorry but we have done this because of alignment. Now alignment is a lot of things. It’s not just style of play. But I’m just saying it’s alignment. We need the right characters in"

I thought Hudson's strongest part of the interview was that, in his opinion, he thought Hay / Zorocich were stronger coaches. Direct and to the point on a reason why you might make a coaching change. Whether his opinion is reasonable or not, I would not know.

Even then he only revealed that by accident, after Gourdie kept pressing him. He originally was saying he wasn't going to answer that (his favourite phrase)

Yeah - so right Tegal. 

IMHO, the point he was dancing around and voiding was the most cogent and probably pushed Hudson's case the strongest.

I'm no PR guy but if NZF had a do-over, would it not have been better to be straight at the start and say "part of what NZF are doing as part of [insert-latest-strategy-buzz-here] is to bring in ex-pro's, ex-NZ internationals into National team positions with the intention of giving them the opportunity to quickly progress in the National coaching ranks. We beleive its really important. Hay and Zoro tick all the boxes. We have done it at this point with the U17's because this gives us the greatest amount of time to develop Hay and Zorocich under the philosophy/ doctrine/ doublespeak that we have here at NZF and to prepare them in FIFA tournaments for when Hudson inevitably moves on after this WC cycle. Nothing diminishes Figuiera/Temple's acheivements but this is a case of preparing Hay/Zorocich for the future".

Or words to that affect.

Personally, I don't agree with the above but if it is what you are aiming to do then bloody well say it straight.

They probably thought (the usual) "there will be a few crack pots but no real noise that can't be managed". To be fair they were nearly right but their approach wasn't improving the poor reputation of NZF governance. I have to thank Gourdie for his efforts here.

I'm not looking to defend my do-over statement above but rather advocate that I believe a different, clearer and more honest approach by NZF would have better advanced their cause. Sure, possibly more air time in the media initially, but more transparency to the concerned public as well.

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almost 11 years ago

So the had a camp in the school holidays, did they have any games with local teams, do we know anything about what went on at this camp?

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So the had a camp in the school holidays, did they have any games with local teams, do we know anything about what went on at this camp?

I've heard that at the first meeting Hay claimed he didn't know what had happened with Jose, but that the players needed to get over it and move on because things would be run his way now, and if they didn't like that they could fudge off. Aside from that I hear that the majority of the sessions were focused on pressing very high up the pitch with little ball work. This could be where the philosophy differences are between Jose and Danny. They played the u20s 

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almost 11 years ago

where was it held?


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Tegal wrote:

where was it held?

St Kent's, I think they played Birko at Birko as well.

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almost 11 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

chopah wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I agree it is a concern. The kicker is, if we qualify for Russia, he is going to look like a genius. I think the proof is in the pudding but having alignment to me is something that should have happened a long time ago. The amount of power he has, I wonder how much is unchecked and also what role FDJ plays in all this.

I have to say as much as you might accuse me of being pro Fred you are equally in the opposite camp - any time you can attempt to throw him under the bus you give it a damn good go.

Absolutely. Tell me one thing he has done to not justify it. I've yet to hear or see anything from him where the majority of the football populus go 'Wow, thats a great idea from FDJ'

you post a lot JV - and you can sometimes be quite insightful - i think this however is one of the stupidest things you have posted.

Fred works for a company that almost everyone in Football loves to hate (me included), he also seems to have the job of fronting most press releases - consider most releases from NZF are at the very least controversial (some including this one are plain wrong) all the "things" you hear are either negative or viewed as negative, And let's face it NZ public and football supporters love a moan about something.  

so with that in mind your saying i have yet to see or hear a good thing from him? well that's probably because they don't send you a fax when Fred does his job as they expect him to monday to friday week on week?

I not actually trying to defend him - i don't know enough about the inner workings of NZF to do that - but bringing this back to topic, there was a tweet posted which stated it was Hudsons call to remove Jose and Temple and you said something like "I don't buy it, it smells like the work of FDJ".  Do you think maybe you have a chip on the shoulder there?

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almost 11 years ago

chopah wrote:

Tegal wrote:

where was it held?

St Kent's, I think they played Birko at Birko as well.

u20s played Birko at Birko. Not u17s.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 11 years ago

chopah wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

chopah wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I agree it is a concern. The kicker is, if we qualify for Russia, he is going to look like a genius. I think the proof is in the pudding but having alignment to me is something that should have happened a long time ago. The amount of power he has, I wonder how much is unchecked and also what role FDJ plays in all this.

I have to say as much as you might accuse me of being pro Fred you are equally in the opposite camp - any time you can attempt to throw him under the bus you give it a damn good go.

Absolutely. Tell me one thing he has done to not justify it. I've yet to hear or see anything from him where the majority of the football populus go 'Wow, thats a great idea from FDJ'

you post a lot JV - and you can sometimes be quite insightful - i think this however is one of the stupidest things you have posted.

Fred works for a company that almost everyone in Football loves to hate (me included), he also seems to have the job of fronting most press releases - consider most releases from NZF are at the very least controversial (some including this one are plain wrong) all the "things" you hear are either negative or viewed as negative, And let's face it NZ public and football supporters love a moan about something.  

so with that in mind your saying i have yet to see or hear a good thing from him? well that's probably because they don't send you a fax when Fred does his job as they expect him to monday to friday week on week?

I not actually trying to defend him - i don't know enough about the inner workings of NZF to do that - but bringing this back to topic, there was a tweet posted which stated it was Hudsons call to remove Jose and Temple and you said something like "I don't buy it, it smells like the work of FDJ".  Do you think maybe you have a chip on the shoulder there?

Ha ha Chopah, I smiled when I saw this.  Perhaps you might be defending him as an ex Ellerslie  player . lol

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 11 years ago

yeah i admitted I am pro Fred in the post before JV's - but i said as much as I am pro he is against.

So if i can be accused of not being neutral - i don't think he can claim neutrality on this topic either.

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Buffon II wrote:

chopah wrote:

Tegal wrote:

where was it held?

St Kent's, I think they played Birko at Birko as well.

u20s played Birko at Birko. Not u17s.

yeah sorry your right - i got confused between 17's and 20's because Conor Tracey who is in the 20's training squad told me he had a game against the 17's at St Kents and then for the 20's at Birko - must be getting old..

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almost 11 years ago

I agree with everything you have said Chopah. I am as much anti Fred as you are pro Fred so your point is correct.

I also agree that he is the mouth piece for a load of media releases that he will not have directed action on. The point does still remain though, give me a policy or directive that he has been over where people have gone 'great work'. As much as NZF is not popular and you are right they are a popular hitting post, that truth is quite true too that he has yet to do anything that people have applauded.

If he has, please point it out.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 11 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I agree with everything you have said Chopah. I am as much anti Fred as you are pro Fred so your point is correct.

I also agree that he is the mouth piece for a load of media releases that he will not have directed action on. The point does still remain though, give me a policy or directive that he has been over where people have gone 'great work'. As much as NZF is not popular and you are right they are a popular hitting post, that truth is quite true too that he has yet to do anything that people have applauded.

If he has, please point it out.

i think that's enough agreement - let's just file this and move on.

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almost 11 years ago

Since when did people start agreeing on these forums!!

I would be interested to hear if they players enjoyed Hay and Zoro's sessions. Hopefully he wasn't as direct as implied by the earlier post about moving on. A little class and humility goes a long way towards establishing a rapport.

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almost 11 years ago

are in 17s in/going to be in the 20s?

Founder

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almost 11 years ago


In addition to the above provisions, players selected for a representative team at the final competition of the FIFA U-17 World Cup (previously known as the FIFA U-17 World Championship) or the FIFA U-20 World Cup (previously known as the FIFA World Youth Championship) will not be authorised to compete again in another FIFA U-17 World Cup, even if still eligible from the point of view of age.

Players who have only taken part in the preliminary competition of a FIFA U-17 World Cup or a FIFA U-20 World Cup are exempt from this restriction.

http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/loc/02/45/24/38/regu-17chileen_neutral.pdf

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almost 11 years ago

Seems like a ridiculous rule.

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almost 11 years ago

ah so what does that mean exactly pls? it says 'again' so is this just precluding someone from playing in two 17s WC's?

Founder

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Feverish wrote:

ah so what does that mean exactly pls? it says 'again' so is this just precluding someone from playing in two 17s WC's?

"Again in another U17" says to me they have to of played in an U17 specifically for it to apply 

As in they can play in an U20 and still be eligible for the U17. 

Edit: though that would make the mention of "U20" above it to be redundant. So maybe it's just confusingly/poorly worded, and it does in fact mean if you compete in U20 you cannot then compete in U17. Which does seem ridiculous. I can kind of understand not being able to compete in two of the same...but if they were to compete in 2, the first time someone competes they'd probably get minimal minutes due to being so young anyway. 


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almost 11 years ago

So.... 

if you are aged 15 for example, and you play 1 U17 WC, you cannot play U17s again even though you are still eligible or

if you are aged 15 for example, and you play 1 U20 WC, you cannot go down and play U17s even though you are still eligible

Is that right?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 11 years ago

yeah I now read it as both of those. 

Whereas I previously read it as just the first one. 


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almost 11 years ago

terribly worded of that's the case

Founder

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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Gourdie: Did Jose not buy into your philosophy? 

Hudson: Umm, listen I’m not going to answer that. Because it’s irrelevant. Listen, alignment is… What I’m going to say, and this is the last time I’m going to say this, and the last time I’m going to talk about this. We have done this because of alignment. Now alignment is a lot of things. It’s not just style of play. But I’m just saying it’s alignment. We need the right characters in… listen I’m not going to go on, I’ve just shared with you why we’ve made the change.

Alignment 101

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 11 years ago
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almost 11 years ago

I understand this is their only overseas tour before the World Cup.

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almost 11 years ago

just so awesome

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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

.@NZ_Football U17 team to tour Doha announced this afternoon. Commitments prior to being appointed mean new coach Danny Hay will not travel

— Andrew Gourdie (@Andrew_Gourdie) May 4, 2015


#alignment

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 11 years ago

So they hire a coach who can't attend the only international tour before the World Cup because he has already committed to doing a factfinding mission to take Sacred Heart to the US next year.

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almost 11 years ago

Danny Hay. #alignment 


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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

So they hire a coach who can't attend the only international tour before the World Cup because he has already committed to doing a factfinding mission to take Sacred Heart to the US next year.

I met Danny last night as the U17's are training at Ellerslie on Monday nights on the turf - I didn't ask him this directly but we had a chat about football in general and he gave me the impression he might be around for this cycle and the next. 

I wouldn't take this to the bank but that's the impression I got.

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almost 11 years ago

Thats 3 years? Roughly the same amount of time Hudson has left?

I'll jump on the bandwagon - #aligned.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 11 years ago
Squad named. 7 missing from OFC qualifiers. Smaller squad though. 16 not 20


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almost 11 years ago

Here

Goalkeepers
Reuben Clark (Onehunga Sports)
Michael Woud (Bay Olympic)

Defenders
Luke Johnson (North Shore Utd AFC)
Ben Mata (Onehunga Sports)
Jack-Henry Sinclair (North Shore Utd AFC)
Ben Stroud (Wellington Phoenix)
Sam Wilson (Wellington Phoenix)

Midfielders
Joe Bell (Wellington Phoenix)
Oliver Ceci (North Shore Utd AFC)
Dane Schnell (Western Springs AFC)
Sarpreet Singh (Wellington Phoenix)

Forwards
Jack Anderson (East Coast Bays AFC)
James McGarry (Wellington Phoenix)
Connor Probert (Western Springs AFC)
Logan Rogerson (Wellington Phoenix)
Sean Skeens (Birkenhead Utd AFC)

So who are the 7 missing?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 11 years ago

Original squad:

Goalkeepers
Reuben Clark – Onehunga Sports/Auckland Football
Michael Woud – Waitakere City/Northern Football

Defenders
Sione Fa’apoi – Fencibles Utd AFC/Auckland Football
Luke Johnson – Hamilton Wanderers/WaiBOP Football
Ben Mata – Onehunga Sports/Auckland Football
Jack-Henry Sinclair – Three Kings Utd/Central Football
Liam Williams – WaiBOP Utd/WaiBOP Football
Sam Wilson – Wellington Phoenix/Mainland Football

Midfielders
Oliver Ceci – Queenstown Rovers/Football South
Billy Jones – Onehunga Sports/Auckland Football
Daniel Lough – Birkenhead Utd AFC/Northern Football
Louie Mills – Birkenhead Utd AFC/Northern Football
Sarpreet Singh – Onehunga Sports/Auckland Football

Forwards
Jack Anderson – East Coast Bays AFC/Northern Football
Ben Kiore – Green Island AFC/Football South
James McGarry – Wellington Phoenix/Football South
Connor Probert – WaiBOP Utd/WaiBOP Football
Logan Rogerson – Hamilton Wanderers/WaiBOP Football
Sean Skeens – Birkenhead Utd AFC/Northern Football
Jamie Woodlock – Hamilton Wanderers/WaiBOP Football

Management staff
Head coach: Jose Figueira
Assistant coach: Paul Temple
Goalkeeper coach: Adam Bannister
Manager: Jamie Scott
Physio: Dawn Chalmers
Sports Scientist: Tim Wilson

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 11 years ago

Seems like the bolters (not in the qualifying squad, but made the world cup) are:

Ben Stroud

Joe Bell

Dane Schnell

Two from the Nix Academy and one from Western Springs.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 11 years ago

5 from the South Island - 2 Chch (Stroud, Bell), Wilson from Nelson, McGarry from Dndn and Ceci from Central Otago.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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