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Probably the one who sent auto-pornography to Steve Cain an effort to entrap him.
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
ABSOLUTE JOKE!!!!
1. Edge has prevented his players from attending NZF trials etc as he thinks that only he should be coaching them and NZF cannot offer them anything!!!
2. These twice a day trainers cannot beat Waitakere City (winter league) reserves so are you really claiming they should be playing International football?
3. The one player who is half decent is Jesse Edge but I'm not even sure he is young enough for the U17s??
4. In some of the games Edge claims as victories for his 'academy' he plays over age players.. So playing MAGS as someone else has mentioned he may have had up to 3 or 4 Senior players. He has previously played Alex Barlow, David Sampson, Aaron Scott and other 18/19/20 year old players..
MrWaikato2011-04-20 21:44:13
Declan Edge is a weirdo end of story.
Goodluck to u17's and their new coach.
It was their 1994 team.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
I don't know any of the players you've mentioned, but what I will say is that there were a bunch of Wellington kids in the frame for this squad, and the one that Cain selected was a technically excellent winger (James Wypych). He let go a bunch of others that were less technically capable but better athletes.
Pays to remember that we would all pick different players given the same group to pick from.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
The man Utd academy anaolgy is nonsense, they lose to other top class academies.. not northern league reserve teams...
As for Edge understanding player development that is also nonsense. Do you think Man Utd's academy director would prevent his players playing for their country or would only allow himself to coach them etc..
Edge is well meaning but unfortunately a little mistaken in his beliefs around the 10,000 hours theory. This is research that says basically, that it takes 10,000 hours practice to master a skill, for the sake of this argument, to become a professional athlete.. The research goes on to say that a large % of these 10,000 hours come from unstructured play, the old fashioned kick abouts between players of diffeerent ages etc that many european, south american etc.. kids grow up playing. Edge is trying to ensure that his players have 10,000 hours under his structured tutorledge.
These players are technically proficient but have little or no understanding of the game and how, when, why etc...
For years now they have passed the ball in safe areas, where they have been allowed to pass it by opposition teams. Having 70% of the possession in your own half under no pressure then conceding goals on the break when you finally try to get into the oppositions half is not developing these players for a career in football.
I have seen both Edge's side play and the NZ U17s. I do say there are one or two players in Edge's side who could have made the U17s BUT HE STOPPED THEM FROM ATTENDING TRIALS!!!! One left Edge's group in order to make the side! I would also say that the NZ U17s have a number of technically very good players too, they are far from being a team of giants and athletes as has been suggested..
In a final thought, are Lionel Messi, Thierry Henry, Drogba, Ronaldo, Xavi etc etc not good athletes too? The modern game of football REQUIRES players to be athletes. Without athletic ability AND technical ability a player would find it almost impossible to make the grade in the modern game!!!
Having played with Declan years ago I am not surprised he has polarised opinion so much!!
MrWaikato2011-04-20 21:51:36
I agree. Is Declan as strange as his old man?
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
As for Edge understanding player development that is also nonsense. Do you think Man Utd's academy director would prevent his players playing for their country or would only allow himself to coach them etc..
Edge is well meaning but unfortunately a little mistaken in his beliefs around the 10,000 hours theory. This is research that says basically, that it takes 10,000 hours practice to master a skill, for the sake of this argument, to become a professional athlete.. The research goes on to say that a large % of these 10,000 hours come from unstructured play, the old fashioned kick abouts between players of diffeerent ages etc that many european, south american etc.. kids grow up playing. Edge is trying to ensure that his players have 10,000 hours under his structured tutorledge.
These players are technically proficient but have little or no understanding of the game and how, when, why etc...
For years now they have passed the ball in safe areas, where they have been allowed to pass it by opposition teams. Having 70% of the possession in your own half under no pressure then conceding goals on the break when you finally try to get into the oppositions half is not developing these players for a career in football.
I have seen both Edge's side play and the NZ U17s. I do say there are one or two players in Edge's side who could have made the U17s BUT HE STOPPED THEM FROM ATTENDING TRIALS!!!! One left Edge's group in order to make the side! I would also say that the NZ U17s have a number of technically very good players too, they are far from being a team of giants and athletes as has been suggested..
In a final thought, are Lionel Messi, Thierry Henry, Drogba, Ronaldo, Xavi etc etc not good athletes too? The modern game of football REQUIRES players to be athletes. Without athletic ability AND technical ability a player would find it almost impossible to make the grade in the modern game!!!
Having played with Declan years ago I am not surprised he has polarised opinion so much!!
It is commonly accepted that to become an expert in anything you must committ 10,000 hours of deliberate practise towards that particular discpline ie... music, maths, sport ext....
Don't let facts get in your way haha
The lad in question was forced to leave by Declan because he had the cheek to actually want to play for HBHS.. Which he did and I believe then played in a National Secondary Schools final where he was spotted by the U17s coaching staff, alongside two other U17 World Cup players (Keeper and left back, sorry names escape me.) 3 NZ Internationals seems quite a good return for a school side, alongside the numerous other players the school has produced (Bunce, Perry, Scott, Samson, Holloway, Mayne, Pijnenburg, Margetts, Barlow etc...)
As an ex pupil of the school I can only commend the work the school does with football and a number of very good coaches have been employed over the years.
about an involvement in those tournaments and other FIFA events leading
up to the 2014 FIFA World Cup, specifically the tournaments involving NZ
teams.
There will be an announcement from TVNZ should the negotiations prove
successful."
Doesn't SKY Sport usually cover these tournaments?
Doesn't SKY Sport usually cover these tournaments?
Possibly a new broadcast deal post SA2010?
I'm getting quite tired of you deckard.
Your principle argument, as far as I can follow it, is that NZF should pick the boys who are training the most.
This is of course ludicrous.
You also keep comparing the U17s to Manchester United's U18 Academy team. Again ridiculous because the purpose of the two is completely different. Manchester United does not care what the results of its U18 Academy team are like. It does not matter if they get beaten regularly.
New Zealand does care what the results of its U17s are like. It does matter if they win or not.
You also contradict yourself big time when you cite the fact that the U17s lost as a reason for changing the players. If results don't matter then they don't matter, you can't have it both ways.
Mostly though you make no sense and seem to be particularly annoyed that a few players you know aren't in the team. Makes me wonder if you're related to them.
Steve Cain has quite a good track record as a national team coach, and Aaron Mac is also a tremendous coach. I back their opinion over yours.
That is all.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
Seeing as they won on the night are you saying he might be "the winning Edge that the U17s need?"
I'll get my coat.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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England
France
Germany
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North and Central America
Canada
Jamaica
Mexico
Panama
USA
Oceania
New Zealand
South America
Argentina
Brazil
Ecuador
Uruguay
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1. Mexico
2. Korea DPR
3. Congo
4. Netherlands
Group B (Monterrey/Morelia)
1. Japan
2. Jamaica
3. France
4. Argentina
Group C (Pachuca/Torreon)
1. Uruguay
2. Canada
3. Rwanda
4. England
Group D (Torreon/Pachuca)
1. USA
2. Czech Republic
3. Uzbekistan
4. New Zealand
Group E (Queretaro/Guadalajara)
1. Burkina Faso
2. Panama
3. Germany
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1. Australia
2. C�te d'Ivoire
3. Brazil
4. Denmark
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If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
There is not one.
Did you not see Group D!?
If we build it, they will come...

There is not one.
Did you not see Group D!?



There is not one.

I did say group not team.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

