Has anything happened because of this? Or are we all just held in some sort of purgatory type limbo of not knowing?
New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites
Was there any conclusion as to wether Raheem Sterling was eligible for England and able to bypass Article 7 via the Home Nations Agreement which should be superseding Article 6? Do we need to notify the San Marino FA, and put a lazy $5 on pick the score 3-0 to San Marino before the upcoming San Marino-England game?
He has to fulfil article 6 and 7. Apparently FIFA don't always make exemptions public, but I would think they must have granted one for him, otherwise another association would have protested his eligibility already.
He has to fulfil article 6 and 7. Apparently FIFA don't always make exemptions public, but I would think they must have granted one for him, otherwise another association would have protested his eligibility already.
But would they? If the exemption's not been made public, how would San Marino, Vanuatu, Scotland etc know ligitimately?
He has to fulfil article 6 and 7. Apparently FIFA don't always make exemptions public, but I would think they must have granted one for him, otherwise another association would have protested his eligibility already.
But would they? If the exemption's not been made public, how would San Marino, Vanuatu, Scotland etc know ligitimately?
That's true. It's possible that there's been no protest because they all assume he's eligible.
Now 2 weeks since NZF no show to the OFC hearing. No announcement since.
Did the NTC registrations, new questions are
Country of birth, parents country of birth, grandparents country of birth.
So still no 5 years since the age of 18 question?
Not that I viewed. Maybe if you answer nonNZ it comes up.
Apparently NZF have got some exemptions already according to the Herald.
Imagine this is Roux, Wynne & Musa poss Burfoot.
Australia with 20 exemptions since 2008.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...
I don't think "exemptions" is the right word to be using. That would imply FIFA allowing players who don't meet the criteria to play in future games.
It sounds like NZF have applied for permission to have players who meet the criteria to play for the national teams.
Except they don't meet the criteria, which is why FIFA need to give permission. Sounds like an exemption to me...
Do we know who the players are? I bet Wynne is not one of them.
Do we know who the players are? I bet Wynne is not one of them.
It will be more than just U23 mens olympic squad, with U17 Boys about to be named and U20 Womens OFC qualifying named last week.
NZF have received exemptions from Fifa for some players caught up in this saga. The exemptions, which relate to article seven of the Fifa statutes governing player eligibility, were applied for after the Pacific Games.
Thats Wynne. We Wynee OFC.
NZF have received exemptions from Fifa for some players caught up in this saga. The exemptions, which relate to article seven of the Fifa statutes governing player eligibility, were applied for after the Pacific Games.
That could be very clever ... assume all players before the court dates obtain an exemption.... NZF could argue a delay in paper work and admin oversight as the players always met the guidelines ...
Except that they obviously applied well after the tournament.
Except that they obviously applied well after the tournament.
NZF have received exemptions from Fifa for some players caught up in this saga. The exemptions, which relate to article seven of the Fifa statutes governing player eligibility, were applied for after the Pacific Games.
That could be very clever ... assume all players before the court dates obtain an exemption.... NZF could argue a delay in paper work and admin oversight as the players always met the guidelines ...
And the players don't meet the guidelines, hence the need to apply for an exemption.
NZF have received exemptions from Fifa for some players caught up in this saga. The exemptions, which relate to article seven of the Fifa statutes governing player eligibility, were applied for after the Pacific Games.
That could be very clever ... assume all players before the court dates obtain an exemption.... NZF could argue a delay in paper work and admin oversight as the players always met the guidelines ...
And the players don't meet the guidelines, hence the need to apply for an exemption.
They meet the guidelines for applying for an exemption though. Fifa said there were no ongoing proceedings for potential breaches of player eligibility. We could argue that the issue was caused because OFC moved the qualifying tournament from the 2–12 December to the 3–17 July and we assumed that because it was decided to absorb the qualifying tournament into the Pacific Games that the pacfic games rules applied and since it was our first time playing in the tournament it was made clear to us that the FIFA STATUTES overruled the PACIFIC GAMES CHARTER - (Pages 19-22) and the OLYMPIC CHARTER (Pages 79-81) and it was not in the spirit of the game to play the final before we had the chance to appeal. I think nzf have to take this all the way and we will eventually win unless fifa get involved.
NZF have received exemptions from Fifa for some players caught up in this saga. The exemptions, which relate to article seven of the Fifa statutes governing player eligibility, were applied for after the Pacific Games.
That could be very clever ... assume all players before the court dates obtain an exemption.... NZF could argue a delay in paper work and admin oversight as the players always met the guidelines ...
And the players don't meet the guidelines, hence the need to apply for an exemption.
They meet the guidelines for applying for an exemption though. Fifa said there were no ongoing proceedings for potential breaches of player eligibility. We could argue that the issue was caused because OFC moved the qualifying tournament from the 2–12 December to the 3–17 July and we assumed that because it was decided to absorb the qualifying tournament into the Pacific Games that the pacfic games rules applied and since it was our first time playing in the tournament it was made clear to us that the FIFA STATUTES overruled the PACIFIC GAMES CHARTER - (Pages 19-22) and the OLYMPIC CHARTER (Pages 79-81) and it was not in the spirit of the game to play the final before we had the chance to appeal. I think nzf have to take this all the way and we will eventually win unless fifa get involved.
I hope we win as I want to watch us in Brazil next year but that we really should never have got in this situation in the first place.
Jesus dude - understatement of the year,but I hear ya
For what its worth the more I think about it, if NZF can get all effected players to have all their exemption status approved ... the argument becomes different to if players still had not received exemption status...
My reading of the Tea Leafs is the penalty will be reduced a fair bit if all effected players hold exemption status .... while still a big penalty it will come nowhere near the 2 to 4 year ban it could have been. NZF may have pulled from the jaws of the lion the baby and may only loose a finger .
I still wonder aloud how no one is being put to the sword at NZF the error out of 10 is 25 and the potential for being banned from FIFA for some time was very likely ... Arguably the biggest administration stuff up since Australian Swimming banned Draw Fraser in the 60's ... However that is a bit harsh as the old Soccer Australia and NSL have a track record second to none... but still no one put to the sword seems strange.
BUT credit where credit due delaying the court case until the approvals are through is very clever...
MIdfielder I seem to have been promoted recently by the elite from "Tegal Fan club member 1" to "Lawerish".
I think it is only fitting after that post that you also are promoted and take my former title. That may then mean number 3 (can't remember who that is, also moves up and someone of integrity and obvious intelligence takes his place)
Patrick are you working today?
For what its worth the more I think about it, if NZF can get all effected players to have all their exemption status approved ... the argument becomes different to if players still had not received exemption status...
My reading of the Tea Leafs is the penalty will be reduced a fair bit if all effected players hold exemption status .... while still a big penalty it will come nowhere near the 2 to 4 year ban it could have been. NZF may have pulled from the jaws of the lion the baby and may only loose a finger .
I still wonder aloud how no one is being put to the sword at NZF the error out of 10 is 25 and the potential for being banned from FIFA for some time was very likely ... Arguably the biggest administration stuff up since Australian Swimming banned Draw Fraser in the 60's ... However that is a bit harsh as the old Soccer Australia and NSL have a track record second to none... but still no one put to the sword seems strange.
BUT credit where credit due delaying the court case until the approvals are through is very clever...
NP
You must be about the only person in the Football world who thinks this is not and open and shut case it's just can we get the penalty down.
AP
I doubt I could reach such a lofty status.
NP
You must be about the only person in the Football world who thinks this is not and open and shut case it's just can we get the penalty down.
Rumours in twitterverse that appeal hearing is set for this Monday. Anyone able to confirm?
Who cares? Not going to be reversed. Get exemptions - move on.
Wasting $$$
For what its worth the more I think about it, if NZF can get all effected players to have all their exemption status approved ... the argument becomes different to if players still had not received exemption status...
My reading of the Tea Leafs is the penalty will be reduced a fair bit if all effected players hold exemption status .... while still a big penalty it will come nowhere near the 2 to 4 year ban it could have been. NZF may have pulled from the jaws of the lion the baby and may only loose a finger .
I still wonder aloud how no one is being put to the sword at NZF the error out of 10 is 25 and the potential for being banned from FIFA for some time was very likely ... Arguably the biggest administration stuff up since Australian Swimming banned Draw Fraser in the 60's ... However that is a bit harsh as the old Soccer Australia and NSL have a track record second to none... but still no one put to the sword seems strange.
BUT credit where credit due delaying the court case until the approvals are through is very clever...
A momentous occasion - the first time we actually agree on this thread!
I knew you'd come around lol
I'd have thought we'd have heard something by now. It's been a week.
make that two
Take it easy guys, do you know how hard it is to get a fax machine repairman these days?
Or an answer full stop out of NZF
The response will come from OFC though wont it? Not NZF.
Take it easy guys, do you know how hard it is to get a fax machine repairman these days?
and NZF's OHP has a blown bulb.