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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.
July 21, 2021 17:43
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.

Is a higher chance that Stensness has been and will be playing as a midfielder, so 2 CBs. 

Though I could see the team having a nervous, cautious, compact start against Korea (likely strongest pool opponents). That wouldn't be unexpected. Last thing they would want is to be too loose and be down 2-0 after 20 minutes. Can see them growing into the game, type of first match.
July 21, 2021 18:02 · Edited July 21, 2021 18:12
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These are the times & channels for the Sky TV coverage

Thu 22nd, Sky Sport 6 @ 7:50pm
Sun 25th, Sky Sport 6 @ 7:50pm
Wed 28th, Sky Sport 8 @ 8:20pm
Actually, the  Thursday game is Sky Sport 5.
Other info correct.
July 21, 2021 18:21
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.

Is a higher chance that Stensness has been and will be playing as a midfielder, so 2 CBs. 

Though I could see the team having a nervous, cautious, compact start against Korea (likely strongest pool opponents). That wouldn't be unexpected. Last thing they would want is to be too loose and be down 2-0 after 20 minutes. Can see them growing into the game, type of first match.
Nah still three with Reid, Pijnaker and Stanger.
July 21, 2021 18:37
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.

Is a higher chance that Stensness has been and will be playing as a midfielder, so 2 CBs. 

Though I could see the team having a nervous, cautious, compact start against Korea (likely strongest pool opponents). That wouldn't be unexpected. Last thing they would want is to be too loose and be down 2-0 after 20 minutes. Can see them growing into the game, type of first match.
Nah still three with Reid, Pijnaker and Stanger.

If Stanger was a serious chance of starting he would have got a lot more mins in the 2 warmups against Olyroos.

On evidence to date it would be a major surprise if Hay started with 5 at the back.

July 21, 2021 19:30
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These are the times & channels for the Sky TV coverage

Thu 22nd, Sky Sport 6 @ 7:50pm
Sun 25th, Sky Sport 6 @ 7:50pm
Wed 28th, Sky Sport 8 @ 8:20pm
Actually, the  Thursday game is Sky Sport 5.
Other info correct.

They must have swapped it over in the last couple days. It was SS6 when I posted 
July 21, 2021 19:40
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Hay loves 4-3-3 so don't see that changing
July 21, 2021 19:45
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.

Is a higher chance that Stensness has been and will be playing as a midfielder, so 2 CBs. 

Though I could see the team having a nervous, cautious, compact start against Korea (likely strongest pool opponents). That wouldn't be unexpected. Last thing they would want is to be too loose and be down 2-0 after 20 minutes. Can see them growing into the game, type of first match.
Nah still three with Reid, Pijnaker and Stanger.

If Stanger was a serious chance of starting he would have got a lot more mins in the 2 warmups against Olyroos.

On evidence to date it would be a major surprise if Hay started with 5 at the back.

Oh shoot I thought you meant we only have 2 CBs in the squad. You're right that we'll likely play 4 at the back though, I think it's the best way for our team to play.
July 21, 2021 22:16
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.
The absolute myth that 3 at the back is an inherently defensive formation is one of the most annoying things in football fandom.
July 22, 2021 07:27
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.
The absolute myth that 3 at the back is an inherently defensive formation is one of the most annoying things in football fandom.
does nobody remember the 5-1-2-1-2 Nix being one of the most exciting teams in the league and putting 8 past CCM under Rudan?

I'd be more tentative about employing a similar formation under Hay purely because I think none of our RBs offer enough quality. Libby is picture-perfect for the role, so I wouldn't be worried about a completely dead attack if Hay for some reason does choose to play three at the back
July 22, 2021 11:18
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.
The absolute myth that 3 at the back is an inherently defensive formation is one of the most annoying things in football fandom.
does nobody remember the 5-1-2-1-2 Nix being one of the most exciting teams in the league and putting 8 past CCM under Rudan?

I'd be more tentative about employing a similar formation under Hay purely because I think none of our RBs offer enough quality. Libby is picture-perfect for the role, so I wouldn't be worried about a completely dead attack if Hay for some reason does choose to play three at the back
Callan Elliot's best role is RWB in my opinion, and I don't know how much better DIngham actually is than him - Elliot set the A-League on fire at the end of last year, but didn't have time to sustain it, and we have no idea how his development has gone in Greece, where DIngham seems an established yet middling A-League player.

If we do switch to a back 3 for whatever reason I think Elliot and Cacace would be my wingbacks. McGarry probably unlucky he's behind the best NZ leftback in living memory (sorry Tony).
July 22, 2021 11:55 · Edited July 22, 2021 11:55
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Bet365 paying $7.50 for the win against Korea, easy money. 
July 22, 2021 12:36
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July 22, 2021 14:39
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.

Is a higher chance that Stensness has been and will be playing as a midfielder, so 2 CBs. 

Though I could see the team having a nervous, cautious, compact start against Korea (likely strongest pool opponents). That wouldn't be unexpected. Last thing they would want is to be too loose and be down 2-0 after 20 minutes. Can see them growing into the game, type of first match.
Nah still three with Reid, Pijnaker and Stanger.
I don't believe Stanger is in the mix as a starter.
July 22, 2021 16:38
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.
The absolute myth that 3 at the back is an inherently defensive formation is one of the most annoying things in football fandom.
I guess it depends how it is played, though it appears to me that fixing 3 at the back, rather than 2, always means you have one less player further up the pitch, potentially attacking.
July 22, 2021 16:43
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.
The absolute myth that 3 at the back is an inherently defensive formation is one of the most annoying things in football fandom.
I guess it depends how it is played, though it appears to me that fixing 3 at the back, rather than 2, always means you have one less player further up the pitch, potentially attacking.
Well it depends how you employ the fullbacks too. If you play 3 at the back with two attack minded wingbacks then you can have 7 players attacking with 3 + keeper on defence. If you play with 2 CB's then the fullbacks may be employed in more defensive roles, meaning you've only got 6 players attacking. Kind of all depends on tactics though rather than formation. If you've got a Declan Rice style player like Stensness starting at 6 then he can slot into a CB position when the fullbacks attack, and settle back into DM when the fullbacks are in position. Gives you a fluid system where you can play 4 and 5 at the back depending on how you approach the game.
July 22, 2021 17:35
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Aussie 1-0 up here.  Would be good to see them get a result.  McGree with a pretty good effort at a bicycle nearly putting them 2-0 before the half.
July 22, 2021 22:59
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Aussie 1-0 up here.  Would be good to see them get a result.  McGree with a pretty good effort at a bicycle nearly putting them 2-0 before the half.
Anyone know what's happened to Piscipo? Hope he's not injured again.
July 22, 2021 23:06
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Not sure on Piscopo, only started watching 20 mins in.
Argentina now down to 10 at half time after Ortega picks up a second yellow for pushing and holding at a free kick immediately after being booked for the challenge.  Very dumb.
July 22, 2021 23:21
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Bet365 paying $7.50 for the win against Korea, easy money. 
 I put money on us to win 1-0 at 1/7 through Bet365. Am well happy.
July 23, 2021 00:15
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Romania 1-0 winners over Honduras. 

Meaning if we beat Honduras, and South Korea fail to beat Romania... we'd be through with a game to spare. Fancy that. 
July 23, 2021 00:54
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Australia won 2-0 against 10 man Argie, Maybe them friendly's were saying something after all. BRING ON GOLD!!!
July 23, 2021 04:24
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Bet365 paying $7.50 for the win against Korea, easy money. 
 I put money on us to win 1-0 at 1/7 through Bet365. Am well happy.
 I just put $2 on us to win and won $15 bucks back, stoked!!
July 23, 2021 04:28
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Surprising, but stoked with the result. After the first half, I thought we were going to get pummeled, but we settled and looked the better team in the second. Wasn't a pretty game, but a win's a win. Here's hoping for another :)
July 23, 2021 06:06
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.
The absolute myth that 3 at the back is an inherently defensive formation is one of the most annoying things in football fandom.
does nobody remember the 5-1-2-1-2 Nix being one of the most exciting teams in the league and putting 8 past CCM under Rudan?

I'd be more tentative about employing a similar formation under Hay purely because I think none of our RBs offer enough quality. Libby is picture-perfect for the role, so I wouldn't be worried about a completely dead attack if Hay for some reason does choose to play three at the back
Callan Elliot's best role is RWB in my opinion, and I don't know how much better DIngham actually is than him - Elliot set the A-League on fire at the end of last year, but didn't have time to sustain it, and we have no idea how his development has gone in Greece, where DIngham seems an established yet middling A-League player.

If we do switch to a back 3 for whatever reason I think Elliot and Cacace would be my wingbacks. McGarry probably unlucky he's behind the best NZ leftback in living memory (sorry Tony).
Agree.  I think Elliot should be given a start next game.
July 23, 2021 07:47
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Bet365 paying $7.50 for the win against Korea, easy money. 
 I put money on us to win 1-0 at 1/7 through Bet365. Am well happy.
 I just put $2 on us to win and won $15 bucks back, stoked!!
You should have put on $200 Poco.
July 23, 2021 07:48
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Umm... three Cb's...
Hell, why not go for draws.  That's our history.  Park the Haystack.
The absolute myth that 3 at the back is an inherently defensive formation is one of the most annoying things in football fandom.
does nobody remember the 5-1-2-1-2 Nix being one of the most exciting teams in the league and putting 8 past CCM under Rudan?

I'd be more tentative about employing a similar formation under Hay purely because I think none of our RBs offer enough quality. Libby is picture-perfect for the role, so I wouldn't be worried about a completely dead attack if Hay for some reason does choose to play three at the back
Callan Elliot's best role is RWB in my opinion, and I don't know how much better DIngham actually is than him - Elliot set the A-League on fire at the end of last year, but didn't have time to sustain it, and we have no idea how his development has gone in Greece, where DIngham seems an established yet middling A-League player.

If we do switch to a back 3 for whatever reason I think Elliot and Cacace would be my wingbacks. McGarry probably unlucky he's behind the best NZ leftback in living memory (sorry Tony).
Agree.  I think Elliot should be given a start next game.
 Yup - as good as much of our team were, especially in the 2nd half, I thought DIngham looked out of his depth.
July 23, 2021 08:07
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Inghams touch let him down at times, but he was busy/energetic and looked to pass and keep the ball. Certainly was not our worst last night.

Cacace was unusually off, and lacking luck, how many diagonal switches did we hit just too far in front of him.
July 23, 2021 10:53
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I trust that Hay knows the personnel best. Calling for Ingham to be replaced by a guy that (presumably) has not been watched/assessed by any of us since he did very well a long time ago at a much lower level (the A-league) is most likely a case of the devil we don't know.

Besides, the person that I am most worried about is Stensness. Absolutely fine on the ball, but does not have the defensive 'wall' properties that Ried and Pijnaker have. Obviously, he's a DM filling in for Boxall.

The team will get better the longer they are together, as New Zealand teams always do.

July 23, 2021 11:08 · Edited July 23, 2021 11:10
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Without being negative, enjoy these Oly Whites (virtual AWs) as much as you can. If AWs don’t qualify for Qatar next year (which will be tough unless  a Bahrain falls into their lap), you won’t likely see this group together again for meaningful quality competitive games until WC 2026!!, which would be a crime.

Most of them will be over the age 23 cutoff for Paris 2024, and I’m discounting OFC qualifiers of any description to be qualify competitive fixtures.

If AWs fail to make Qatar, NZF need to try everything to setup some sort of OFC/AFC League of Nations, and/or WC qualifying path. Be a huge missed opportunity to see this talented male group virtually dormant for 4 years.
July 23, 2021 13:19 · Edited July 23, 2021 13:24
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Does anyone think that anyone in the team put up a performance that might attract decent offers?
July 23, 2021 13:56
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Does anyone think that anyone in the team put up a performance that might attract decent offers?
Reid ? 
Offer from The Nix ?
July 23, 2021 14:10
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Does anyone think that anyone in the team put up a performance that might attract decent offers?
mmmmmmmmmm, that guy Wood looked decent.
July 23, 2021 14:21
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What were Romania and Honduras like? I only caught the end.

TAB have Honduras as favourites vs us, so they must've looked decent.
July 23, 2021 15:49 · Edited July 23, 2021 15:49
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TAB will always have everyone against NZ.

I would suggest betting for NZ to win and making some real dollars.

 Did anyone bet for NZ to win against Korea last night? 
July 23, 2021 16:10
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I had them to win vs South Korea at $5.50, and pretty sure it was my first sports bet this year!
July 23, 2021 16:33
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Does anyone think that anyone in the team put up a performance that might attract decent offers?
think Pijnaker's solidified himself as at least a rotational option at Rio Ave following their relegation - he impressed the hell out of me last night. 

Cacace raising his stock as per usual, Stensness with some very nice touches (though he'll need another season in the A-League). 

Michael Woud started nervous, as he's prone to doing, but made some excellent saves and exhibited a lot of bravery - he only signed for Almere in January, but wouldn't be surprised if Eredivisie clubs were sniffing around (Groningen was keen recently). 

Dingham might have attracted a decent offer from the Queen St Maccas - his improvement this A-League season was a pleasant surprise, but he was woeful last night.
July 23, 2021 16:46 · Edited July 23, 2021 17:04
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Reid and Wood seriously good athletes who have competed at the top level for a long time, but also the team under them are all playing regularly in professional environments and many have not been overawed.
I’m a football fan who has become used to NZ teams winning and having expectations of our players! Imagine if we had Singh and Boxall too. We would have bossed that game. 
July 23, 2021 16:49
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Stensness would have raised a few eyebrows IMO. Playing out of position he looked very comfortable. Strong and decent with the ball at this feet, I can imagine him getting a closer look.

Lewis as well, if he can show more attacking quality (assuming we are more dominant) he should get some interest too.

Just should, but was poor. He will be looking for improved performances as he is better than the league he is in.

Pjanker was solid too, but with no real senior minutes, I think its less likely he will get looked at.
July 23, 2021 19:46
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Reid was a real leader and put in a super shift, but even he had two terrible touches at the start of the game. Nerves? The pitch looked very quick, maybe they hadn't played on a surface like that?
July 23, 2021 19:50
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