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Nominate John Adshead or Other NZ Football Personalities for NZ Honours

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Have received this today fron the Prime Minister's Department who handle Royal Honours in regard to my recent query about nominating John Adshead for an Honour. Anyone can make a nomination. Below you can click on the relevant form.

This was prompted by Sam Malcolmson's article on the topic in the NZ Herald last week (second half of article):

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10813438

After all, Ricki Herbert was awarded the CNZM (Companion to the NZ Order of Merit) in 2011. So, surely John Adshead should get something in recognition of his sterling service to football in this country.

You can probably think of others too in your region or at your club. Football has tended to be a bit neglected in this respect...l

 

INFO ON NOMINATING SOMEONE FOR AN HONOUR AND LINK TO FORM:

WHO CAN MAKE A NOMINATION
Anyone can nominate a person they think is worthy of a New Zealand Royal Honour and anyone can be nominated. The nominator needs to complete a nomination form.

 

Thank you for your enquiry. If you would like to nominate Mr Adshead for a New Zealand Royal Honour, you will need to complete a nomination form and send it to us at the Honours Unit. Here is the link to the form:
 
 
You will also see tabs on the left of that website page, to "Nomination guidelines" and "Overview". You will find useful information there about making a nomination and how the Honours system operates.
 
The email that you have sent is not, in itself, enough to bring Mr Adshead forward for consideration for an honour. A nomination form is required, containing as much detail about his achievements and contribution as you are able to supply.
 
Nominations for the New Year 2013 Honours List will be closing shortly, probably at the end of June. If you would like Mr Adshead to be considered for that Honours List, then please complete the nomination form and return it as soon as you can. If you would prefer to take more time and send it to us later, it will be considered for the Queen's Birthday 2013 Honours List.
 
Please contact me if you have any questions about making a nomination or the Honours system in general.
 
Kind regards,
 
Elizabeth Woolcott
Senior Advisor (Honours)
Cabinet Office
Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
 
                                  _______________________________________________________
 
SAM MALCOLMSON'S ARTICLE:
 
•I've been frustrated and saddened over the years that the 1982 World Cup All Whites, of which I was a part, have not received the sort of recognition the team deserved for an amazing qualification campaign followed by creditable performances in the finals. I was reminded of this when the latest Queen's Birthday honours list revealed scant recognition of football once again.

Not only did we create history by qualifying for the finals in Spain, we also took the country on a magic ride over an extremely difficult and long series of qualification games, a much tougher road than the 2010 team had to negotiate.

We also left a strong legacy that is felt today, starting with the All Whites boss Ricki Herbert, who was shaped by coming under the influence of John Adshead and Kevin Fallon and the experiences with that team.

Others have continued to make big contributions to the game.

Brian Turner is Herbert's right hand man, and Wynton Rufer - our finest player - produces terrific professional prospects at his academy.

And yet national honours have been scarce.

I have given my playing shirts to my son, but our grandchildren are left with nothing that recognises what we achieved. I know the 1982 team are remembered fondly and with pride by dedicated football fans, but I've always found the lack of official recognition very strange.

Adshead, the coach who masterminded it all (with Fallon) and the enthusiastic front man for football over so many years, has never received a gong.

By Sam Malcomson 

 

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The DPMC better order a new wheelie bin to handle the tsunami of stoopid they are gonna receive from this.

 

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The Man wrote:

 

Dear Big Pete 65

Thank you for your nomination of Mr John Adshead, who together with Rory Fallon's dad, helped create a unique piece of NZ roundball history.

Unfortunately all the services to sport honours have been allocated to rowing this year as it is a very deserving sport and we have real medal prospects on the world stage (in this space, going forwards).

As a result we have to advise that we are unable to award a New Zealand Royal Honour to Mr Adshead or anyone else from roundball this year, or possibly even next year (maybe when the Greens are the gumnt you could try again).  However I have taken the liberty of forwarding your nomination to the Halberg awards panel - they're chums of mine so you never know, it could be a nice surprise.

Bestest regards

Department of Prime Cabinet and Shelving

 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ha ha ha ha. Considering the Halbergs and the 'outcry' that there was for just participating at the World Cup ('they didn't even win' was the common cry) whats gonna be the outcry giving John a medal when his team got soundly whupped?

Unfortunately our country lacks a lot or sporting perspective cause our collective asses are so far up rugby, its not funny.

 

(I would give him a medal but I suspect the fact that he spent a fair bit of time overseas after the fact might have some people saying 'Why?')

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

 

Don't think there'd be any outcry over John getting a gong because the '82 All Whites lost their games in the finals. It's quite a different situation to the AW's Halberg award as no one was too concerned at the time we lost every game - even rugby people/ football disparagers were realistic enough to know winning was never expected or a yardstick to measure that team by at all. He's just very fondly remembered by anyone in the country who was old enough to follow events back then, including John Key probably. It was all about the amazing drama of an amateur team no one at home or abroad initially rated, going on a record-breaking run to make the Finals (most qualifiers played in history, biggest qualifying win in history, Richard Wilson world record for goalkeeper's clean sheet in qualifiers - achievements which remained in the Guinness Book of Records for years).

John: "Well, I always felt we were a very well organised and disciplined side. At the time there was a statement that came out of the Scottish press, which said New Zealand was really just a team of kickers and teams like that shouldn't be around the World Cup.

We were in fact the only team not to get a yellow card; we were top of the tree in the good behavioural stakes throughout the first round.

We weren't concerned about who we were going to play but were determined we weren't going there to be negative. We wanted to play the game as it was meant to be played, and the proof was there in the second half of the game we played against Scotland. I was very disappointed when we came in (at halftime) 3-0 down, because we hadn't even looked to go forward.

But when we opened the game up in the second half, let's not forget, within 10 or 15 minutes it was 3-2 and the panic in the Scottish side was there for all to see. And they (Scotland) then scored two very lucky goals to get what looked on paper to be a far better victory than it actually was.

You know I've looked at passages of the games against Brazil where we put 17 passes together; and we were very unlucky against the Soviet Union, very unlucky - they were a great side.

At the end of the day, when we came back I was very proud of the way we'd played."

Remember it took Australia 24 years from their goaless first spell in the Finals in '74 to score a World Cup goal (in 2006) !!! We've also  conceded less goals in World Cup Finals than Australia: NZ: GF: 4  GA: 14   Aussies: GF: 8  GA: 17 

John unfortunately fell out with then NZFA supremo Charlie Dempsey in 1983 and resigned as AW's manager. However, he remained in NZ throughout the rest of the 80's and became AW's manager again in 1989 for that year's World Cup qualifiers where they knocked Australia out by beating them in Auckland, despite not progressing to the next round themselves (Israel advanced). But such was the close margin in these games, one more win could have taken NZ to the next round instead. SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(OFC) 

John continued his contribution to this country by forming his own promotions company in 1983 and handled local and overseas sports and entertainment acts touring NZ.

He resided in Perth in the nineties (had offspring living there) and was Oman's director of youth development 2000 - 2004 and coached Oman u-17 at the 2001 FIFA u-17 World Cup. Working and achieving overseas has never been a barrier to receiving NZ Royal Honours or many of our greatest would be empty-handed e.g. Dame Kiri Te Kanawa has worked very little in NZ as a singer.

He returned to NZ to coach the Kingz/Knights in the A-League in early 2005 in what he has rated as the only truly mediocre season of his 38 year coaching career... 

 http://www.celebspeakers.com/john-adshead/

John received wide acclaim for his involvement in New Zealand’s first challenge for the America’s Cup. His role was to mold each individual department into one team and act as motivation and personnel manager to the sailing teams.

He developed the successful Radio I Sports Foundation and ran the New Zealand end of Bob Geldof’s international sports aid. John has also managed tours throughout Australia and New Zealand by the Soviet basketball and gymnastic teams.

A heart attack in April 1998 almost ended his life. 

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He's had a lot of serious health issues and has also struggled with cancer which hindered his brief time as NZ Knights manager in the A-League. John turned 70 in March. Although retired, he's currently a director on the board of Baypark Arena sports, conference and entertainment venue in his hometown of Mount Maunganui.

John is also currently an ambassador for charities such as Macular Degeneration NZ (of which former AW's coach Allan Jones is a trustee):

http://www.mdnz.co.nz/ambassadors2.html

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Big Pete 65 wrote:

 He's just very fondly remembered by anyone in the country who was old enough to follow events back then, including John Key probably.

 

If Key can't remember his opinion on the Springbok Tour, then I suspect he won't be able to recall his opinion of John Adshead.

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

"At the time there was a statement that came out of the Scottish press, which said New Zealand was really just a team of kickers and teams like that shouldn't be around the World Cup."

I remember that now you posted it. Fast forward to 2012 and the state of Scottish football (here Scotland, borrow my AW scarf to wipe the egg off).

 

 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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almost 13 years ago

RESULT!!!

Heartening to see John named an "Officer of the NZ Order of Merit" - I join the thousands who would say it's about bloody time he got a gong!!!

An absolute legend, even amongst those with only a casual interest in football  -most NZers 40 years or older fondly remember those days of football glory of the early eighties after the bleak times of the 1981 Springbok rugby tour tore the country apart.

First became  aware of John in 1978 when I went with my parents and thousands of Nelsonians to the Chatham Cup Final at Trafalgar Park where his Manurewa beat the locals. 

Big connection between Nelson and the 1982 All Whites with Kevin Fallon a former Nelson player-coach and Wilson, Herbert, McKay, Cresswell and Simonsen all former Nelson players...

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 13 years ago

Fallon prob deserved gong just as much, despite his recent bad press.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 13 years ago

Fallon prob deserved gong just as much, despite his recent bad press.

Agree. Kev's not everyone's cup of tea but has contributed so much to football in this country over forty years as a player, club coach, national coach and youth coach.
Was already a legend in Nelson football circles early in his career when I was a kid.
I can remember him taking my Nelson United junior side for training once when he was player-coach at Nelson. Had us running around and around Victory Square a lot...big on fitness even then with us kids!
His Gisborne City sides of the 1980's were some of the best of the era and played very attractive football.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 13 years ago
Big Pete 65 wrote:


An absolute legend, even amongst those with only a casual interest in football  -most NZers 40 years or older fondly remember those days of football glory of the early eighties after the bleak times of the 1981 Springbok rugby tour tore the country apart.


Too right. 

Unfortunately couldn't be capitalised upon following Spain (thanks Mr Dempsey). 

Nice little segment on TV3 News the other day.



Now, let's not f*ck up the momentum that we have now from Sth Africa...

"Phoenix till they lose"

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almost 13 years ago

Thanks for that link.  Are you one of the three people he refers to in the interview?

"Phoenix till they lose"

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almost 13 years ago

Fallon prob deserved gong just as much, despite his recent bad press.

I disagree.

Fallon has contributed a bit and that is recognised but being recognised for an award is as much about being a good person and fitting for the title as well as what you do to earn it. All that Fallon achieves is ruined but being a complete cock. I come back to one thing every time and that is ego. Why is a man with all his achievements trying to be a big man in a schoolboy comp. Ego. Its not just recent bad press. Fallon has been this way at this school for a very long time, its just that now, people no longer go 'well he has done this and this and this and it will be ok'. They are simply tired of Kevin being Kevin. Even he realises that when he googles himself and all he sees is 'Kevin Fallon is a cock'

If Fallon wants to redeam himself, get himself away from this garbage and get himself back into the national framework of producing talent and sides and show that he has got the good to produce teams. Sadly, I don't think the national body would touch him because he is a.......

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

Fallon prob deserved gong just as much, despite his recent bad press.

I disagree.

Fallon has contributed a bit and that is recognised but being recognised for an award is as much about being a good person and fitting for the title as well as what you do to earn it. All that Fallon achieves is ruined but being a complete cock. I come back to one thing every time and that is ego. Why is a man with all his achievements trying to be a big man in a schoolboy comp. Ego. Its not just recent bad press. Fallon has been this way at this school for a very long time, its just that now, people no longer go 'well he has done this and this and this and it will be ok'. They are simply tired of Kevin being Kevin. Even he realises that when he googles himself and all he sees is 'Kevin Fallon is a cock'

If Fallon wants to redeam himself, get himself away from this garbage and get himself back into the national framework of producing talent and sides and show that he has got the good to produce teams. Sadly, I don't think the national body would touch him because he is a.......


Ha ha JV-- You are absolutely right, and it fact are being kind.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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