NZ? Coaches

There are bugger all kiwi coaches at men's/ women's national level and also at federation level. Mostly Brits. Is this a bad thing? Is NZF to blame? Discuss

Talk to Terry MBE, Herdman, they sound good, look good and only last a short time..

Herdman achieved some pretty impressive thins in the 10ish years he was here, definately value for money.

Terry was here for about 8 years I think and did some great work but was never really given the support or oppurtunites that he deserved. I was pretty disappointed he missed out on the FS Womens Fed job, so can't blame him looking elsewhere. 

Both were here for good stints and did good work, and certianly not what I'd call a short time, in fact Herdman probably could have left earlier but stayed. When he left you couldn't blame him for moving on, a great oppotunity and 5 years in changre of the national team is plenty

I was never a fan of Herdman but then when you look at the results he achieved and I think more importantly, the legacy of compiling a very young, experienced Football Ferns team, whom now mainly play professionally overseas, my opinion is not worth shit.

Wasn't Herdman one of the key authors behind Whole of Football plan too?

Yes his legacy is the whole of football plan.

With the majority of our game being amateur  and club funding being stretched it takes a genuine effort from individuals to finance decent accredited training and qualifications. Capital/central football have tried to make a minimum qualification level for central league compulsory, voted down as clubs canny force  volunteers to take time out.

Losing another to Canada

http://canadasoccer.com/new-women-s-excel-program-u-14-u-17-director-appointed-p154177

Herdman did a power of work and delivered the WoF plan. He was a massive loss. Bev has carried that programme on her shoulders since John left, and she is a gigantic loss as well.

It's all change at NZF HQ. Lots of departures in the last 6-12 months.

edit - because I don't know how to spell "whole."

Hole of Football?

Hole of football:

The CEO is the person to thank for this. I've heard that people are not enjoying working for him and he is a bit of a numpty.

Grant McKavanagh, what a joke. I have heard that Glading was not popular either.

*Very few CEO's have popularity as a KPI.

And no, not referring to NZF (as I've NFI), just pointing out that effective CEO's aren't necessarily popular.

(Very few is a number lower than one).

I think that's increasingly becoming untrue though surge. Likeability is a fairly important characteristic in a CEO or manager now. That doesn't mean they're a pushover, it just means those under them are more motivated to work for a CEO they like - so of course its important. 

Yeah I agree. I do think that's starting to change though. (Says the 25 year old with little experience)

I remember hearing about a study done on CEO's and apparently over half are basically narciccists, apparently the most common train amongst all CEO's was their ruthlessness to get what needed to get done, done.

Only difference between them was some of them enjoyed being wankers, whilst the other half just took it as an unfortunate part of  the job.

You can't be everyones friend.

I have no issue with the fact that popularity is not a KPI. I do think though that in small sports business like NZ, it's more of a requirement than large sports business US/UK...

Dont believe everything you hear, in both those cases you've heard wrong.

My good source at NZF says otherwise.

He seems like a reasonably guy, but how many people here love their boss?

Interestingly enough, I believe that is one of the reasons Ricki was as popular as he was as both the Phoenix Coach and the All Whites coach was that he was basically the first in a high profile position that did not speak with a "Foreign" accent 

I guess my sources are better and more happy in their jobs than your source.

Ginette McDonald for Ernie's voice coach asap.

Yes, I think it is a problem for 3 reasons.  

1, British coaching traditions are increasingly outdated (note, not getting stuck into British coaches because they are British, talking about traditional methods and sought after player attributes that don't tally with the way game is played today).  

2, British coaching has always been very anti-intellectual and that is reflected I think in a resistance in coaching in NZ to get formal qualifications or take formal instruction on coaching.  Many think the only qualification you need to coach is to have played the game at a decent level.  It's pretty clear that countries with better educated coaches are better at youth development.  

3, British coaching is itself in crisis - look at the recent furore around the U21s which is symptomatic of problems with football in Britain.  We have to some extent imported those same problems with British coaches (lack of technique/tactical coaching, focus on physicality and size, belief that "hard work" and "desire" on their own will win football matches).

Clearly this doesn't hold for everyone but personally I think you can trace a lot of it back to the British influence within NZF.

Ah right. Sorry I was meaning English coaches. Not British.

I'm not sure if I would lump the Welsh, Scottish and Irish in with the English as being the same purely because I don't know enough to have an opinion on them

Also, naming one exception hardly disproves the rule. 

You are right, it does not. I wasn't trying to disprove what JD wrote more that I think there can be exceptions and its dangerous to say 'all English coaches are this way' although the exceptions a few and far between.

I think Emblen (I'll eventually spell his name right) is crafting together a nice little coaching record. He went with younger players at Waitakere after Milicich and got some results with them (bought in Sole, Lucas, de Vries, etc) had the Olys playing well and the A team looked good in patches. 

I think I would be tempted to bring him into the fold to work with the youth. He is an ex pro whom played at a high level in the UK. In some respects, his coaching record/playing record is stronger than Greenies.

Quoting still broken

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