NZ Football Going Forward
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There has been much speculation as to how the NZF should capitalise on our current success. From some of the comments aired on radio it would seem that those making the comments think that NZF are just starting on this now when in actual fact there have been plans in place with Youth and Womens teams achieving international success for some time.
I would think that the first thing that NZF should do is manage the general public's expectations.
It needs to be explained to the new comers to the game, (after welcoming them) the way international windows work etc and the difficulties we have compared to other sports, in organinsing tours or even one off games.
Then a nationwide public presentation of a four year plan for football at all levels. This needs to reach the average Joe Bloggs who has attached themselves to the game recently and not just restricted to Federation level of administration.
I am sure we all have ideas of what this should include.
I would think that the first thing that NZF should do is manage the general public's expectations.
It needs to be explained to the new comers to the game, (after welcoming them) the way international windows work etc and the difficulties we have compared to other sports, in organinsing tours or even one off games.
Then a nationwide public presentation of a four year plan for football at all levels. This needs to reach the average Joe Bloggs who has attached themselves to the game recently and not just restricted to Federation level of administration.
I am sure we all have ideas of what this should include.
We're Forever Causing Trouble
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I would think that the first thing that NZF should do is manage the general public's expectations.
This is very important, and not done correctly after football in this country had a great chance to capitalise after '82.
If you expect people to support and sponsor the All Whites/NZF program, they need to see the team play, and feel a tangible part of the international program. In short, more international games required and at least two home fixtures for the All Whites each year, not counting qualifying when that starts for 2014.
Any realistic request by another country for an international fixture must be considered. Our new FIFA ranking will certainly bring new requests.
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As well as more All Whites games, improving the profile of the NZFC is paramount in my opinion. The more football is in the public's eyes, the better. For me, the NZFC needs more television coverage. We need to promote the local game. People should know their local team and its players, and go to their games. With football having captured the publics imagination I hope to see someone start to broadcast these games, at least one game a week. A better local game will encourage more kids to play and will inspire them to play for these teams. And the stronger NZFC teams are, the stronger football is in New Zealand.
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I'm a bit worried for next year when we have no games and the Rugby World Cup is hosted in NZ valeo2010-07-01 21:25:36
a.haak
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I'm a bit worried for next year when we have no games and the Rugby World Cup is hosted in NZ
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I have a feeling that within six months the status quo will have seeped back in.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
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I don't think we can avoid that. A big Nix season, big Boca crowd, huge NZFC (yeak, okay) and some All Whites will keep it bubbling under but to try and take on the Rugby World Cup won't be a useful investment.
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It is unfortunate timing thats for sure. Ah well,I like to think the AWs world cup wont be that easily forgotten. (could even help if the All Blacks go out early to France again 
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Ultimately,i dont care what rugby does.
Allegedly
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this - I want to discuss the development of the game in NZ post world cup but rather than the profile of the game, I think the development of our game at junior level needs to be improved vastly. And I suppose my main point is that it's at the junior level where we need to focus more on technical development because IMO that is the area where we are the most inferior to other nations around the world.
I know in Europe some countries have massive (and/or lots of) academy's where primary school aged kids are taught the technical aspects of football before anything else and it's not until they are quite a bit older before they start learning the game.
I've heard of similar coaching schools in NZ but I think there are far to few. I'm just hoping that NZF are looking at this in their post world cup plans because we will have a lot more interest at the junior level now and maybe some 'the money' can be spent on the development of coaches who can specialise in technical coaching of children.
Your thoughts...
I know in Europe some countries have massive (and/or lots of) academy's where primary school aged kids are taught the technical aspects of football before anything else and it's not until they are quite a bit older before they start learning the game.
I've heard of similar coaching schools in NZ but I think there are far to few. I'm just hoping that NZF are looking at this in their post world cup plans because we will have a lot more interest at the junior level now and maybe some 'the money' can be spent on the development of coaches who can specialise in technical coaching of children.
Your thoughts...
Fuck this stupid game
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Oh and does anyone know of anything like this going on here already?
Also...my old man use to have a couple of football coaching videos from Holland where most of the footage was from the junior academy's there but I've had no luck finding any of them or similar on youtube. Does anyone know or have a link to where I could find something like this?
Also...my old man use to have a couple of football coaching videos from Holland where most of the footage was from the junior academy's there but I've had no luck finding any of them or similar on youtube. Does anyone know or have a link to where I could find something like this?
Fuck this stupid game
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I know in Europe some countries have massive (and/or lots of) academy's where primary school aged kids are taught the technical aspects of football before anything else and it's not until they are quite a bit older before they start learning the game.
Personally I would prefer that my son just learns to enjoy the game before anything else.
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I'm a bit worried for next year when we have no games and the Rugby World Cup is hosted in NZ
+1
I have a feeling that within six months the status quo will have seeped back in.
WHAT WE NEED IS THE FIFA MENS U-20 WORLD CUP ON THESE SHORES ASAP: I feel it would be great to apply to host the FIFA Men's U-20 World Cup as soon as possible.
We've successfully hosted the U-17 versions, mens and womens, in '99 and '08 so timing would be great now to move on up to the U-20s. Start with the Men's and then host the Women's.
Aussies have hosted the Men's U-20s twice, in 1981 and 1993, Asia 5 times of 15 tournies held.
Time the "new" Oceania (without Australia) hosted it!
Would give football here a huge boost if we hosted it in the next decade (or sooner if poss.)
Actually, regarding the Rugby World Cup, that will prove good for football as all those upgraded stadia will be sitting there waiting to host U-20 World Cup football!
See my Forum topic on this "Time to Host U-20 World Cup Now": CLICK HERE:
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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I'm a bit worried for next year when we have no games and the Rugby World Cup is hosted in NZ
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I have a feeling that within six months the status quo will have seeped back in.
WHAT WE NEED IS THE FIFA MENS U-20 WORLD CUP ON THESE SHORES ASAP:
I feel it would be great to apply to host the FIFA Men's U-20 World Cup as soon as possible.
We've successfully hosted the U-17 versions, mens and womens, in '99 and '08 so timing would be great now to move on up to the U-20s. Start with the Men's and then host the Women's.
Aussies have hosted the Men's U-20s twice, in 1981 and 1993, Asia 5 times.
Time the "new" Oceania (without Australia) hosted it!
Would give football here a huge boost if we hosted it in the next decade (or sooner if poss.)
Actually, regarding the Rugby World Cup, that will prove good for football as all those upgraded stadia will be sitting there waiting to host U-20 World Cup football!
See my Forum topic on this "NZ Should Host FIFA U-20 World Cup Now":
Hosting tournaments is good profile wise but really it's preipheral to what I see as the main goals over next 5 years:
- improve the NZFC;
- get more players playing in top level professional leagues overseas;
- produce a succesful Phoenix team dominated by NZers;
- improve technical quality of U17, U19 and U20 NZ teams; and
- improve quality of coach education, potentially by producing a national coaching curriculum.
Normo's coming home
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there Mr James Dean, 5 points for a 5 year plan.
I agree it's all about raising our standards in player technical quality and coaching = better players in better local leagues = more public interest and faith in our game = more professionalism in terms of standards and in the financial sense = more success for our sport in its domestic status and international results = more good players + more crowds = a virtuous cycle
I just think hosting the U-20 World Cup would fit in with all of that in keeping the momentum of public interest going, especially since we're so isolated from the centres of world football quality in Europe and South America. Bring the world's best young players here so we can get exposed to them and match ourselves agaist them.
Hosting the U-20s gave a huge boost to Aussie soccer at the time: Australia actually finished fourth in this tournament twice, in 1991 and 1993. In 1991 they were unlucky to be beaten in the 3rd/4th play-off on penalties by the Soviet Union. In 1993, as hosts, they lost to England 2-1 in the 3rd/4th game.
-An Aussie won Golden Boot for top-scorer in the 1981 tournie they hosted: Mark Koussas
After hosting the '81 tournament players like Alan Davidson went on to long successful careers in Europe (Nottingham Forest and Rangers).
After '93 Australia produced players like Kewell, Viduka and Bosnich.
Big Pete 652010-07-10 00:18:12Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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I'm not convinced of the link between overall improvements in football and hosting tournaments, but I do agree that is a really good one to aim for.
Plus we could probably get FIFA to pay for a couple of new artificial pitches like they did for the recent tournament in Nigeria (was it Nigeria, somehwere in Africa where the kiwis played in the rain. Or maybe that was the U17s. I'm not sure, but there was a NZ team, rain and new artificial pitches).
Normo's coming home
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The 2 points don't really clash (unless it costs a bomb to host the U20s,which i doubt). So it'd be fantastic to achieve both.
You can build as many academies as you like,but if you don't have decent coaches to teach them then it is pointless. So perhaps some of it should be spent on coach development or bringing some decent coaches over?
I think it is more of a process than is being let on. You could bring those coaches over but then theyd just leave in the mid-term. You can train coaches up,but unless theyve previously had the skill or experience themselves,theyre never going to be that amazing t teaching kids technical skills either. What we need then is perhaps current AWs like Nelsen and Elliott coming back to NZ and co-ordinating with NZF and setting up academies of their own much like topleft was suggesting?
Allegedly
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I originally wrongly posted this in the Nix TV Coverage- Angst and Props thread, the snapshot One News piece from last night re how NZF intended using the $$Millions from the WC.
George Costanza kindly followed up with the following link to the piece.
http://tvnz.co.nz/all-whites/nz-football-banking-success-3728187/video
George Costanza kindly followed up with the following link to the piece.
http://tvnz.co.nz/all-whites/nz-football-banking-success-3728187/video
Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!
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AW was unbeaten in South Africa WC! NZ AW is now confident in going to next WC in Brazil. NZ mens (except U20) and womens age-group teams are confident in going to World Cups. Phoenix is roaring ahead and soccer player numbers have rocketed up and down the country. Heaps of money is rolling in and NZ Football's coffers couldn't be fuller! Everything is looking so rosy!
Ditch all the junior age group national and regional tournaments. Set up the Talent Centers where ability to pay is the most important factor. Select palyers on height, size and coach them to play like the AW. Presto, we are there! From now on, there is no need to select and watch players in tournaments. Just need to take their money and train them hard and they will turn out to be instant international stars.
To top it off, organsie some friendly internationals so nz supporetrs can pay homage to the most reluctant and elusive superstars from EPL and beyond. More bucks come rolling into NZ Football's vault!
NZ soccer is on a roll and the world is our oyster and nz soccer is its pearl!
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Ditch all the junior age group national and regional tournaments. Set up the Talent Centers where ability to pay is the most important factor. Select palyers on height, size and coach them to play like the AW. Presto, we are there! From now on, there is no need to select and watch players in tournaments. Just need to take their money and train them hard and they will turn out to be instant international stars.
I think you've got it wrong about the talent centres. You actually need to be selected to attend, not just show a bit of promise and pay over your money as was more the case in old Fed academy system.
Ability to pay really isnt a factor as there are ways and means of helping out kids whos families cant afford it.
A dog with a bone :)
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AW was unbeaten in South Africa WC! NZ AW is now confident in going to next WC in Brazil. NZ mens (except U20)�and womens age-group teams are confident in going to World Cups. Phoenix is roaring ahead and soccer player numbers have rocketed up and down the country. Heaps of money is rolling in and NZ Football's coffers couldn't be fuller! Everything is looking so rosy!
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Ditch all the junior age group national and regional tournaments. Set up the Talent Centers where ability to pay is the most important factor. Select palyers on height, size and coach them to play like the AW. Presto, we are there! From now on, there is no need to select and watch players in tournaments. Just need to take their money and train them hard and they will turn out to be instant international stars.
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Your comment to select these players on height and size is not going to achieve anything in world football. We have done this for 30 years, and forget about the fact that we did not lose a game at the WC.
What we need is to improve the technical ability of players. In this area we were the weakest out of all the teams in South Africa.
In the past we have gone for players over 6 foot that can run 100m in 11 sec and kick anything above grass level that moves. That does not work in todays game.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Your sarcasm meter has failed Leggy.
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My two cents aorund improving domestic football:
1.Move the whole game to summer, this winter in chch, the pitches have been beyond a joke. Young guys will never ever develop on such rubbish pitches, ( I was reading wellington has been quite bad this eyear too) Play matches friday nights so guys can still play cricket.
1a. sure soemone will say, but what about cricket pitches, Just whack a pitch either side of the cricket block.
2. Get the national league players out of club football (unless they are coming back form injuries etc). you play at least 50% more games at club football then national league level a year. And in its current state club football only brings crap pitches and bad habbits. NL players training with NL standard players all year round will greatly improve the level of the national league and teh players involved.
1.Move the whole game to summer, this winter in chch, the pitches have been beyond a joke. Young guys will never ever develop on such rubbish pitches, ( I was reading wellington has been quite bad this eyear too) Play matches friday nights so guys can still play cricket.
1a. sure soemone will say, but what about cricket pitches, Just whack a pitch either side of the cricket block.
2. Get the national league players out of club football (unless they are coming back form injuries etc). you play at least 50% more games at club football then national league level a year. And in its current state club football only brings crap pitches and bad habbits. NL players training with NL standard players all year round will greatly improve the level of the national league and teh players involved.
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Ok thinker. So what about the many pitches that have on football field and a cricket block in the middle.
And if the NL players can't play club football, then they will be playing less games.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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Your sarcasm meter has failed Leggy.
Sarcasm was not intended.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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I am the president of a junior club and coach of a 10th grade team and would like to throw in my observations.
All bar 1 of our 17 coaches are parents of kids playing in their teams. We have 1 who is a player with our affiliated senior club.
At the beginning of the season Central Football run 2 Small Whites courses, free of charge, to introduce new coaches to the game and provide a bit of a refresher for those that are past their 1st year. I�d say that we have about 75% of the coaches at our cub who have gone through this course and a couple have done it twice.
The next coaching level is the level one course which comes at a cost, I can�t recall what that is but I think it might be near the $200 mark � stand to be corrected on that one. We don�t have any coaches that have attempted their level 1, and that is a course that the club is prepared to pay for. The senior player is going through his coaching training via a programme being run at the senior club and we hope to get a couple more dedicated souls [like he is] coaching the juniors next year � we already have 1 who is helping him at the moment and waiting for his own team next season.
I�m not certain what needs to be done to up-skill coaches and to keep coaches in the game. What happens with most junior clubs is that the coaches go through the grades with their child�s team and when they go to high school, their involvement usually ends. As an example, I�m told that our local top high school [where 99% of our club�s players will go to] have their own coaches and any offers to help have been declined.
It is a fact of life that most junior coaches are only interested in coaching as long as they are coaching their own kids. So bearing in mind that most coaches will end their involvement when the kids are about 13 or 14 � what can we do to make those years [when they are with our kids] productive? I�d suggest that approaching the situation with a view to retaining these coaches in later years is probably flawed because most don�t get the opportunity to go further.
We have a HB United Academy here and open invitations are made to all kids from about 10/11 years of age. They are invited to attend an academy selection course [for want of a better title] at a cost of $140 and from that they may be invited to attend the Academy proper at a further cost. Immediately this eliminates a large percentage of players whose parents can�t afford that kind of outlay. We also have a representative programme from under 11 upwards, which is open to everyone [if nominated by their club coach].
So we have:
1. An academy system that is heavily reliant on the ability to pay to attend.
2. A representative programme that [outwardly] seems to be open to all.
3. No actual development pathway for junior coaches.
4. The actual mechanics of coaching [level 1 and above] are provided at a cost that may or may not be prohibitive.
I struggle to see how we can be successful with this kind of environment.
Any ideas?
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Napier Phoenix2010-08-26 11:08:19
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=1>It is a fact of life that most junior coaches are only interested in coaching as long as they are coaching their own kids. So bearing in mind that most coaches will end their involvement when the kids are about 13 or 14 � what can we do to make those years [when they are with our kids] productive? I�d suggest that approaching the situation with a view to retaining these coaches in later years is probably flawed because most don�t get the opportunity to go further.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=1>The next coaching level is the level one course which comes at a cost, I can�t recall what that is but I think it might be near the $200 mark � stand to be corrected on that one. We don�t have any coaches that have attempted their level 1, and that is a course that the club is prepared to pay for. The senior player is going through his coaching training via a programme being run at the senior club and we hope to get a couple more dedicated souls [like he is] coaching the juniors next year � we already have 1 who is helping him at the moment and waiting for his own team next season.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=1>I�m not certain what needs to be done to up-skill coaches and to keep coaches in the game. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">�</SPAN>What happens with most junior clubs is that the coaches go through the grades with their child�s team and when they go to high school, their involvement usually ends. As an example, I�m told that our local top high school [where 99% of our club�s players will go to] have their own coaches and any offers to help have been declined.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=1>It is a fact of life that most junior coaches are only interested in coaching as long as they are coaching their own kids. So bearing in mind that most coaches will end their involvement when the kids are about 13 or 14 � what can we do to make those years [when they are with our kids] productive? I�d suggest that approaching the situation with a view to retaining these coaches in later years is probably flawed because most don�t get the opportunity to go further.
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify" ="Msonormal"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=1>We have a HB United Academy here and open invitations are made to all kids from about 10/11 years of age. They are invited to attend an academy selection course [for want of a better title] at a cost of $140 and from that they may be invited to attend the Academy proper at a further cost. Immediately this eliminates a large percentage of players whose parents can�t afford that kind of outlay. We also have a representative programme from under 11 upwards, which is open to everyone [if nominated by their club coach].
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<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1" ="MsoListParagraph"><SPAN style="mso-fareast-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list: Ignore"><FONT face=Arial>1.<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT face=Arial>An academy system that is heavily reliant on the ability to pay to attend.
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You are saying things that I said 25 years ago. What we need is for more ex players to put something back into the game. A few have but not nearly enough. The ones that are coaching are with seniors, and they are not going to take the game where it should be.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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I don't neccessarily see that as the answer Leggy. What we seem to lack [when comparing to other Countries] is the quality coaching for our youth.
I'd like to see a group of qualified youth coaches going around schools and clubs and running clinics - non stop. Hockey seem to be doing that down here. I'm getting kids coming to practise after having just come from hockey at school and raving about it. I might even lose of of my kids to hockey next year.
Sure enough, run those coaching courses for coaches but instead of leaving it to chance that there will be enough talent to coach the kids in a quality way - but make the investment in full time coaches. We have a junior coaching director down here but I have never seen him at any of our club trainings or offered his services to us. It is all very well coaching the better kids at academys and the like but at this age group there is a lot of untapped talent that could be just as good or better than those that have been identified by the size of their parent's cheque book.
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I don't neccessarily see that as the answer Leggy. What we seem to lack [when comparing to other Countries] is the quality coaching for our youth.
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I'd like to see a group of qualified youth coaches going around schools and clubs and running clinics - non stop. Hockey seem to be doing that down here. I'm getting kids coming to practise after having just come from hockey at school and raving about it. I might even lose of of my kids to hockey next year.
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Sure enough, run those coaching courses for coaches but instead of leaving it to chance that there will be enough talent to coach the kids in a quality way - but make the investment in full time coaches. We have a junior coaching director down here but I have never seen him at any of our club trainings or offered his services to us. It is all very well coaching the better kids at academys and the like but at this age group there is a lot of untapped talent that could be just as good or better than those that have been identified by the size of their parent's cheque book.
That is the best thing to happen, but in the meantime senior players should put something back and I would even go as far as make them coach junior sides.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Asia-Pacific football academy surely is good for NZ players developmentv but it's too small...
we need academies like this,in association with some english sides,with their coaches coming to NZ and teaching football.
we need academies like this,in association with some english sides,with their coaches coming to NZ and teaching football.
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