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Qualification for 11 International Tournaments in four years at an affordable cost as opposed to an expense participation in Asia
uiron2011-04-30 08:30:32
NZ MEN
Venue
Date
Qualified
Previous
Date
Qualified
All Whites
Brazil
2014
?
South Africa
2010
Yes
U20
Columbia
29 July 11
Yes
Egypt
2009
No (Tahiti)
U17
Mexico
18 June 11
Yes
Nigeria
2009
Yes
OLYMPICS
England
2012
In Fiji Mar 12
China
2008
Yes
CONFED CUP
Brazil
2103
?
South Africa
2009
Yes
NZ WOMEN
Football Ferns
Germany
28 June 11
Yes
China
2007
Yes
U20
Uzbekistan
2012
?
Germany
2010
Yes
U17
Azerbaijan
2012
?
Trinidad
2010
Yes
OLYMPICS
England
2012
Play off TBC
China
2008
Yes
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NZ Men were at the last Olympics mate.
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NZ Men were at the last Olympics mate.
Corrected. Thanks
Actually there are a couple more attendances since 07.
2007 u17 in Korea Yes
2007 U20 in Canada Yes
Dont remember these two but that's what it says on the FIFA Website
So Thats 13 in four years
uiron2011-04-30 08:29:29We're Forever Causing Trouble
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Well the debate is not just satisfied with qualifying it is playing at a higher level more regularly - a strong argument when thinking of the All Whites.
However I think the current situation is good, as it is not too expensive, our younger players are more likely to get exposure on a world stage, $ from qualification can fund future development and I think the All Whites have a better chance qualifying in a two leg play off than a proper qualification process.
However I think the current situation is good, as it is not too expensive, our younger players are more likely to get exposure on a world stage, $ from qualification can fund future development and I think the All Whites have a better chance qualifying in a two leg play off than a proper qualification process.
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Beach football world cup and Futsal world cup is left out why?.
Mr Positive
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Futsal is mickymouse football? Some ones head is stuck up a smelly place.
Mr Positive
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Futsal and Beach Soccer have been dominated by the Solomon Islands. The Solomon Islands won the 2006, 2007 and 2009 OFC Beach Soccer Championships. In 2008, they qualified for the FIFA Beach Soccer World Cup without playing in a qualifying competition.
In 2011, Tahiti lifted the OFC title at Moorea Beach, defeating the Solomon Islands in the final. The Solomon Islands have played at three FIFA Beach Soccer World Cups - 2006, 2007 and 2009. In Futsal, the Solomon Islands have dominated the OFC competition and qualified for one FIFA Futsal World Cup in Brazil in 2008.
You might like to suggest these forms of football are Disney-like, but I can tell you that in Solomon Islands these events mean everything to football fans. Its a chance for their footballers to take to the world stage. In most instances all of these tournaments are broadcast in Honiara and throughout the country with a huge following.
I've had the privilege of watching football in Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea and Vanuatu and they turn up in their thousands on a regular basis for their domestic football as well as the O-League and international matches.
These forms of football deservedly have their place in our region. Mind you, in the Western Pacific, the commitment of fans to all forms of the game probably surpasses that of your average fan in New Zealand.
Gordon Glen Watson
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Futsal is mickymouse football? Some ones head is stuck up a smelly place.
Futsal is technically a different sport. That's why it was left out!
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Fair enough. I think it qualifies, but its your list. Jack Wetney of Amicale FC plays futsal for the Solomon Islands and compatriot Elliot Ragomo plays professional futsal in Spain. I wonder if Brazil football fans would consider futsal as alien. Interesting debate.
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Futsal and Beach Football werent included because the list was featuring tournaments we had qualified for since 2007.
13 plus 4 Fifa WC Club competitions since 2007.
plus the 90th place achieved by bringitback in the FIFA Interactive WC
The main purpose was a revised weighing up of the Asian / Oceania options given recent results.
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Futsal is mickymouse football? Some ones head is stuck up a smelly place.
it is. The best players don't play. Similar to 7s in rugby.
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Futsal is mickymouse football? Some ones head is stuck up a smelly place.
it is. The best players don't play. Similar to 7s in rugby.
Mr Positive
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The best players from other countries often DO play futsal as well. It isn't.
Gordon Glen Watson
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Maybe in New Zealand but not the rest of the world, Do you know RONALDINHO? What about MESSI? And the list can go on, They all played Futsal at the top level - But you new that?.
Beach football and Futsal are funded buy NZF and cost money even thought the current teams have been as lousy as your knowledge of the sport.
So for these sports it would cost more to run them through the AFC.
When exactly did Ronaldinho and Messi represent their countries in Futsal?
So you admit the current teams have been lousy, but can't see that is because the best players don't play.
and it is knew, not new,
and by, not buy.
and though, not thought.
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Futsal is a fun game, no doubt, but the only people who think it's as serious as real football are the people who play it. Usually they play it because they aren't up to playing real football.
Cool game, but let's not try and pretend it's as important as the 11 a side game.
Cool game, but let's not try and pretend it's as important as the 11 a side game.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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The best players from other countries often DO play futsal as well. It isn't.
Gordon Glen Watson
Example please?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Maybe in New Zealand but not the rest of the world, Do you know RONALDINHO? What about MESSI? And the list can go on, They all played Futsal at the top level - But you new that?.
Beach football and Futsal are funded buy NZF and cost money even thought the current teams have been as lousy as your knowledge of the sport.
So for these sports it would cost more to run them through the AFC.
When exactly did Ronaldinho and Messi represent their countries in Futsal?
So you admit the current teams have been lousy, but can't see that is because the best players don't play.
and it is knew, not new,
and by, not buy.
and though, not thought.
Besides my grammar - your still talking out your butt. And you do the googling your self.
Mr Positive
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Maybe in New Zealand but not the rest of the world, Do you know RONALDINHO? What about MESSI? And the list can go on, They all played Futsal at the top level - But you new that?.
Beach football and Futsal are funded buy NZF and cost money even thought the current teams have been as lousy as your knowledge of the sport.
So for these sports it would cost more to run them through the AFC.
�Besides my grammar - your still talking out your butt. And�you do the googling your self.
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So Ronaldinho played futsal as a kid (as kids in many countries do), and this proves your argument?
Why didn't he play representative futsal for Brazil when he grew up?
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Maybe in New Zealand but not the rest of the world, Do you know RONALDINHO? What about MESSI? And the list can go on, They all played Futsal at the top level - But you new that?.
Beach football and Futsal are funded buy NZF and cost money even thought the current teams have been as lousy as your knowledge of the sport.
So for these sports it would cost more to run them through the AFC.
�Besides my grammar - your still talking out your butt. And�you do the googling your self.
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Sorry Royz, but yourself is one word.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
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Maybe in New Zealand but not the rest of the world, Do you know RONALDINHO? What about MESSI? And the list can go on, They all played Futsal at the top level - But you new that?.
Beach football and Futsal are funded buy NZF and cost money even thought the current teams have been as lousy as your knowledge of the sport.
So for these sports it would cost more to run them through the AFC.
Besides my grammar - your still talking out your butt. And you do the googling your self.
Sorry Royz, but yourself is one word.
Mr Positive
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Futsal comes under FIFA's and national football associations' banner just as 7's comes under the IRB's and national rugby union associations' banner. Futsal and 7's are good for developing players for the respective 11-a-side and 15-a-side codes (as many examples in national football teams and the All Blacks have shown), but I would still classify them as separate sports also.
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Besides my grammar - your still talking out your butt. And you do the googling your self.
you're, not your.
I did google them, and I couldn't see any mention of them representing their country in futsal.
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2ndBest is right. Ronaldinho or Messi never represented their countries in futsal. Ronaldinho I think maybe represented Porto Alegre or his state as a child. Think the point Royz is trying to make is that players such as Ronaldinho, Messi and Robinho all started out playing futsal in their formative years as players, and thus they attribute their football skills from playing futsal. Nike did a marketing campaign 2 or 3 years ago (Joga Bonito) which involved Robinho and Ronaldino discussing how futsal played such a huge part in their football careers. Futsal is a huge reason Brazil consistently produce such skillful players, it's a part of their school curriculum and most professional clubs in Brazil have their youth teams playing only futsal until about 10 or 12 years old.
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Agree that futsal is a great developmental tool for youngsters, but Royz took exception to 2B's statement that best players don't play futsal - which is patently true.
If a top player has a choice between a career in futsal or football, what will he choose? The evidence is pretty emphatic in this regard.
If a top player has a choice between a career in futsal or football, what will he choose? The evidence is pretty emphatic in this regard.
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Yup I agree with you El Grap. Also, players that excel at futsal aren't necessarily fantastic footballers, vice versa too. The two games require such different skill sets that, although they both come under the football banner, they are different sports.
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Yup I agree with you El Grap. Also, players that excel at futsal aren't necessarily fantastic footballers, vice versa too. The two games require such different skill sets that, although they both come under the football banner, they are different sports.
This.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Yup I agree with you El Grap. Also, players that excel at futsal aren't necessarily fantastic footballers, vice versa too. The two games require such different skill sets that, although they both come under the football banner, they are different sports.
Take Granville for example. 
But seriously, I agree with what you have said. Although that doesn't stop it (fustal and Beach footy) being a mickey mouse sport in NZ.
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Yup I agree with you El Grap. Also, players that excel at futsal aren't necessarily fantastic footballers, vice versa too. The two games require such different skill sets that, although they both come under the football banner, they are different sports.
Take Granville for example. But seriously, I agree with what you have said. Although that doesn't stop it (fustal and Beach footy) being a mickey mouse sport in NZ.
Along with many others though - netball anyone?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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The best players from other countries often DO play futsal as well. It isn't.
Gordon Glen Watson
Example please?
Sure; Jack Wetney for the Solomon Islands plays both forms of football for his country. James Naka plays Beach Soccer, O-League and for his national team, also the Solomon Islands. Naka was joint top goalscorer in the 2008 O-League alongside Allan Pearce and Joe Luwi.
Gordon Glen Watson
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Yup I agree with you El Grap. Also, players that excel at futsal aren't necessarily fantastic footballers, vice versa too. The two games require such different skill sets that, although they both come under the football banner, they are different sports.
Take Granville for example.
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But seriously, I agree with what you have said.� Although that doesn't stop it (fustal and Beach footy) being a mickey mouse sport in NZ.�
Haha perfect case in point
Beach football is basically non-existent in New Zealand and futsal has only just been introduced on a national basis in the last year, so yeah, they are pretty Mickey Mouse at the moment. New Zealand Football has only just implemented futsal into its Whole Of Football plan so hopefully the sport becomes a bit more organised in years to come. Don't see why people get angsty about futsal not being taken seriously etc, it will never have the same following, participation or resources as the 11 a-side game, I'm just happy to see that it is being implemented by New Zealand Football and that it can be used as both a development tool for football and played as a seperate sport.
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Should probably note that Elliott Ragomo played/plays professional Futsal in Spain but has yet to be capped in the 11-a-side game for the Solomon Islands. He's good enough, though, and maybe he'll get a chance in the XIV South Pacific Games/2014 FIFA World Cup Qualifiers later this year.
Look, I take the point expressed that football is "more important" than futsal in a New Zealand setting, but what irks me is the loosely applied term "Mickey Mouse". It sounds arrogant and aloof to me. Just because it doesn't have a role to play here, doesn't mean it doesn't work elsewhere. I think its effectiveness at providing opportunities for players to perform at elite level should at least be acknowledged.
I don't like Futsal, as such, personally, but I know what sort of impact it has in other countries around the world. It has added considerable value. I would never deride it in those contexts particularly in Oceania, Africa and Asia.
Gordon Glen Watson
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I don't think the people on here doubt the effectiveness of futsal or the opportunities it provides, I think at this point in time in New Zealand, futsal is viewed as a largely social sport, something you and your mates play on a Sunday or Monday evening. The first New Zealand Football Futsal National League was extremely successful, once that league gets more established and the Federations start implementing decent leagues, then I think futsal will be seen more as a competitive and legitimate form of the game. Also, the New Zealand FutsalWhites travel to Fiji in a couple of weeks to compete in the OFC Futsal Championships which also act as World Cup Qualifiers for the FIFA Futsal World Cup 2012 to be held in Thailand. If successful there, the game will naturally gain more of a profile in New Zealand.DKP222011-05-02 17:06:23
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I like the way you've framed that description of futsal in New Zealand and I accept your view. It's markedly better than describing futsal as 'Mickey Mouse'.
It carries a host of connotations with it and it simply doesn't apply to other countries. As stated previously, I have my own prejudices about futsal to overcome anyway.
I'm happy for my views to be challenged, even if I'm challenging them myself..!
Gordon Glen Watson
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A LOT OF FIFA ACTIVITY IN NZ THIS PAST WEEK - THREE FIFA PROJECTS (OFC HEADQUARTERS PROJECT LAUNCHED & A DEVELOPMENT SEMINAR & A FIFA WOMEN'S COACHING COURSE):
Seen no mention in the news here but FIFA are pumping some money into building a new HQ for the Oceania Football Confederation in Auckland currently with offices and two pitches.
FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke in Auckland this week for the groundbreaking ceremony at Ngahue Reserve.
Project expected to be completed in 2015:
"Valcke's concrete assessment of the state of Oceanian football is coloured by a sincere hope the region can perhaps one day have direct entry to the FIFA World Cup.
"If at every FIFA World Cup we could have one team from Oceania, it’s a dream sure, but I know it will be a discussion once at FIFA why Oceania has not got a full slot for the World Cup," Valcke said.
Part of the realisation of that dream is the reality that Oceania still has much work ahead of itself to develop and improve its football.
One element of this process is the demand for greater transparency of Member Associations in the Development Programme after a rigourous reform process in Zurich..."
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THE FIFA/OFC DEVELOPMENT SEMINAR wrapped up in Auckland, New Zealand this afternoon after three intense days of presentations and workshops.
The Presidents, General Secretaries and Technical Directors of Oceania’s Member Associations have spent the past three days going over the reform processes FIFA, as the world governing body, have begun implementing and the effect they could have on the development programmes of each federation.
FIFA Development Manager for Oceania Eva Pasquier says it was important for FIFA to bring this seminar to Oceania.
“The main aim of this seminar was to update the federations on the new programmes and activities that we have, on the
governance and reforms that are going to be activated from the previous congresses which will have a lot of impact on the offerings we have and also on the requirements of the federations,” Pasquier says...
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http://www.oceaniafootball.com/ofc/News/ViewArticle/tabid/125/Article/d1974f2f-f830-4669-87bb-11ed60e8d53b/language/en-US/Default.aspx WELLINGTON HOSTS FIFA WOMEN'S COACHING COURSE |
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New Zealand Football and Capital Football collaborated to host a national FIFA Women's Coaching Course in Wellington which finished yesterday. |
Run by Hesterine De Reus, head coach of the Matilda’s, the Australian women’s national team, the course was designed especially for coaches in the female game.
Emma Humphries, Women’s Development Manager for NZ Football, said that it was a great opportunity to have someone of De Reus’ calibre in New Zealand to help inspire those coaching at a high level in women’s football.
De Reus was capped 44 times for the Netherlands over a ten year period. Prior to getting the Matilda’s head coach position, De Reus has worked for the Royal Dutch Football Association, and has coached the Dutch U-19 side and Jordan’s Women’s national team.
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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I saw a TV programme a few years back about Brasil's top futsal player trying out and playing for one of their top [normal] football sides. I can't remember his name but I think he was described as something like the Pele of futsal. From memory, he was able to play at the top Brasilian 11 man level but wasn't a world beater.
We played futsal in the 70s [it was called indoor football then] as a way to keep fit during the summer. From what i see today, there are a group of people that see it as a chance to represent their country/Province, a lot who play just for fun and a lot of kids that also use it as a way to increase their close ball skills.
I can see why it might be popular in other countries; in places like Italy, Brasil and Argentina, I saw every spare piece of land has a small pitch built on it where they kick the football around [places like under motorway bridges etc] and its easier to get 5 or 6 players together for a team than 11 in some neighbourhoods/communities.
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futsal is brilliant for kids development, anything that gets them playing with a ball more has to good! the fundamental skills are directly transferable to football. NZF working at developing futsal at all levels. I think the better players are always going to play football. after watching the recent Oceania tournament can't say I was impressed by the level! definitely has a place in junior and youth development, but at senior is social.
Asia?Oceania: qualify for Asian group stage 4 through Oceania at senior level will bring in money and regular games for the NZF. Youth teams remain the same.
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If Tahiti can take all forms of football seriously and have some success why cant New Zealand. And the mind set of people here thinking everything else is micky mouse compared to the 11 side games kinda shows why FIFA wont take NZ seriously.
If your the big fish in the bowl, Then you need to start showing it through out all FIFA advents.
Mr Positive
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