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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I dont know the family at all. Im just a hard nosed Pom that follows football, clearly you have something bugging you. I follow football in this country because we are football mad back home.
I watch many nzfc games and try to watch internationals but watching england is bad enough.

I enjoy opinions on players and managers but i dictate you have something a little under your skin.

Maybe the hogg boy is a bit of a nutter..but a hard arse attitude makes you a top footballer..i see very few tough little players over here in nzfc leagues..maybe this is just my pommy side coming out.

i dont mind your comments hard news but i know enough about players in this country.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think you have attributed some comments to me that were not mine, but thanks.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

knowitall wrote:

you know far to much about the hoggs to be a hard nosed pom fan that supports football.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Moved the Aus discussion to the thread on the topic in the News Discussion forum.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

how from saying what i just said..reults me in knowing to much about the hoggs? I only know the young lad through watching games through the nzfc over past 2 seasons.

Sorry if you do not agree but i believe he is a top footballer from what i have seen from him in games i have seen. Theres not many i believe in nz fottball that could make it back home in england. Just because i believe he is decent player does not mean i know the family.

There is other talent in that team like perverly and Van Rooyen that i see as potential pro footballers.

Sometimes if you dont like a player doesnt mean hes not a bloody good one...

I cant stand John Terry back home but hes a world class defender.

I hope this nz team does well..have they got any warm up games apart from chile?

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

they play australia on the 12th and i think theyre going into camp in asia somewhere with some games. someone else can confirm exact details

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

So, in the last two minutes, knowitall's profile name has changed from Stu to Davo. I'm not claiming anything, but folks can make a judgement themselves.

My bet is he knows EXACTLY which Hogg was sent off at Waitakere, and has seen Easter Road in Edinburgh quite close up.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

July 12 v Australia ï¿½ North Sydney Oval
July 15 v Central Coast Mariners - Knox Grammar School, Wahroonga
July 20 v PSMS Medan ï¿½ Jakarta
July 24 v Indonesia ï¿½ Jakarta
July 26 v Persija ï¿½ Jakarta
XXIX Olympiad
August 7: New Zealand v China PR ï¿½ Shengyang
August 10: New Zealand v Brazil ï¿½ Shengyang
August 13: New Zealand v Belgium ï¿½ Shanghai

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

knowitall wrote:

how from saying what i just said..reults me in knowing to much about the hoggs? I only know the young lad through watching games through the nzfc over past 2 seasons.

hes a top footballer? yea hes alright - not good enough to be in nz under 23's though.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Is there something wrong with having a Name of Stuart Davor in this country? this forum gets better.

Easter road..Hibernian ground? good little stadium that however only been there once to see scotland play croatia U21's game.

if we are saying some of the current players are not good enough to be in team then who is missing?? in nzfc programmes we are not given ages of players so is hard for me to say who else could be availiable??

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

So you know everything about NZF based on NZFC programmes from going to games for couple of seasons?

Odd.

Allegedly

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

No thats not true. Im just saying back home in programmes who get every detail about a player including their age. i just dont know ages of many players here in nz and what teams they are availiable for.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

How does someone like Messam make it over a player like Kosta???

Kosta worked his ass off and won himself a professional contract with the phoenix and I think we all agree he played very well when he came on against the Galaxy and when he played in the A-League (I believe against the Mariners).

Costa is only 18 so I think it would have been a great experience for him to go to the Olympics rather than a player like messam (around 22 years old) who we all know has no future in football apart from being a mascot.

New Zealand should be trying to develop players.

End of the day you cant do anything about it and goodluk to messam.. one of those good impact players.... Squeeeen

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

pavlos8 wrote:

How does someone like Messam make it over a player like Kosta???

New Zealand should be trying to develop players.

End of the day you cant do anything about it and goodluk to messam.. one of those good impact players.... Squeeeen

for once i agree with you

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard on him and Draper but that's life I guess. They seem to have gone for a big side so maybe that was held against him. The 18 man squad is pretty small, doesn't take much to get in a bit of injury/card trouble does it?

Anyone know why Draper wasn't sent to the NSW Premier League as well as Costa?

Normo's coming home

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

Anyone know why Draper wasn't sent to the NSW Premier League as well as Costa?

From talking to his Mum at Newtown Park on Wednesday... they set up a club for him to go to, but then pulled the plug at the last minute and decided it would be better for him to train with the rest of the squad.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

pavlos8 wrote:

How does someone like Messam make it over a player like Kosta???

New Zealand should be trying to develop players.

End of the day you cant do anything about it and goodluk to messam.. one of those good impact players.... Squeeeen

for once i agree with you

Obviously they are wanting a big target man. But the 3 games i have seen him play this year, he doesn't win many headers. Killen is 6'0 compared to Messam is 6'4

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Everyone kowns I dont think much of Draper but he was twice the player that Messam was when he came on tonight.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I am pretty sure our best opportunity for scoring goals at the olympics is going to be from set pieces.

Freekicks and corners. So I think Stu is just trying to make sure that whenever one of those setpieces comes along, we have the most chance of getting one of our big guys on the end of it.

With Elliotts set piece delivery even from corners having Nelson, Killen, Old and Messam up there waiting for it.

Thats surely going to improve our odds of scoring?

I can't wait!

If we build it, they will come...

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Fair call, those set pieces still have to be earned by controlled attacks though.

Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Messam and Killen won't play up front together. Based on just about every team Stu coaches it will be Killen up front in a 4-5-1

Normo's coming home

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

4-5-1? Ugh, I suppose it maybe the only option against the Brazilians, depending on the conditions. Don't we have any other alternative for the China and Belgium games?

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Seems to be more of a 4-3-3 with Brockie and Ellensohn or sometimes Henderson all slotting in to attack in the last few matches.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Call it what you will but Killen and Messam won't play up front together

Normo's coming home

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Against Chile they seemed to play a 4-4-1-1 with a target man up front and 1 just behind him it was brockie in first game where he was effective and henderson in 2nd game. Anyone know why Spoonley wasnt in goal either of the 2 games and Sam Jenkins didnt seem to be stripped or on the bench last night is he injured? They will line up something like this i imagine!

GK - Spoonley
Back 4 - Scott - Old - Nelsen - Hogg
Midfield 4 - (Jenkins/Brockie) - Elliot - (Peverley/Van Rooyen) - (Henderson/Brockie/Ellenhson)
Adavnced Midfielder - (Henderson/Brockie/Ellenhson)
Striker - Killen
Good to have the overage players down the spine of the team. Backline is probably the easiest to assume with not much options at fullbacks I was worried about Hogg and his how volatile he has been in couple of NZFC matches I caught over last 2 seasons but he did well last night for an 18 year old and defensively did his job and probably just Steve Old competiting with Boxall for to partner Nelsen.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jacob has broken his finger ... it is going to be fine but they're just resting him a bit to make sure.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Old has the experience but boxall seems a better defebder

Normo's coming home

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

boxall seemed to me like he would be a real threat at set piece as well, especially against what i presume will be quite a small chinese team. and like it or not i think most of our threat will come from set piece

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Is there a chance of playing a 3 - 5- 2 formation or, 5 - 3 - 2.

I can see, Old, Boxall and Nelsen as a pretty handy back three. Hogg and Scott as wing backs, with Peverly and Elliott playing as holding midfielders with Henderson in front. Killen as the target striker and Maybe Brockie running off him.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

A bit late with my retort on the 'Whole Hogg' situation, but here goes.

The issue I have with it is that we are being led to believe that the best two people in the country to manage the Men's Olympic squad and the Women's Olympic squads are Jim Hogg and Julie Hogg respectively, both of whom, co-incidently - are married (um, to each other) and also happen to have, just as co-incidently, a son in the men's squad. Nice little family outing for them.

Now I may be being dumb here, but what if, just what if, Ian Hogg had been left out of the final squad? Wasn't going to happen, was it?

I also have heard stories about issues with the family's behaviour on, in and around grounds, and not just the older boy either. But that's probably not the issue at stake here. The issue is that it's all too closed-rank, too opaque and looks like a "jobs for the boys" scenerio, and also looks like the sort of thing that I thought football in NZ had left behind a long time ago.

Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

bopman wrote:

boxall seemed to me like he would be a real threat at set piece as well, especially against what i presume will be quite a small chinese team.

That old cliche/mindset went out with the WM formation.

Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I have heard a couple of stories about Jimmy at the World Cup. Over time they tend to get exaggerate but the crux of them goes like this.

NZ were told by a FIFA official that it was time to proceed onto the pitch for the line ups, anthems etc because these things run to schedules, broadcasting times etc. Jimmy's response was one of 'f*** off, we're not ready' to which the person in charge reminded Jimmy exactly where he was and what he could do with his statement if their team wasn't there in 5 secs. Add to the fact that he was caught abusing one of the match officials from the bench for an offside and he had to get restrained back to his seat.

Real professional. Can see where the kids get it from. But I suppose thats why they consistently rank as top NZ footballers and every team wants to sign them....

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Going on from what The Jam said... The same situation applies to how Messam got in the squad - he plays under John Gould at HB. Now if Steven Holloway played for HB instead of Waikato then i think that he would have easily walked into the squad over Messam any day (NZFC - Messam 3 goals playing in almost every game. Holloway 9 goals playing in 2/3's of the games). It seems to me its who you know (or who you play for) is what matters in NZ football still.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Or Messam just fits in with the system that Stu Jacobs wants to play. Seriously why can't we get past this whole "conspiracy theory" mentality in selections for NZ football. Do you really think that Stu Jacobs is that unprofessional? There will always be differences of opinion in squad selection, why are we unable to put it down to that?

And feedback, you are obsessed with Steven Holloway.

Normo's coming home

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

They have got a big man in chris Killen.... and yes i am obsessed with steven holloway! He is the best!

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Just an opinion..

But most things in life result in who you know...but that doesnt go to say your not good at what you do because of that.

I can sense alot of bitterness in some comments..
Back home we see this kind of jealousy or dislike to decisions at a very low level of weekend football but at professional football level and international level people get on an accept it..possibly what kiwis should do.

Agent47 is concerned about a coach or manager having a right go at an official...lad you might want to get out of nz football and whatch games in the uk or anywhere in europe..even the physios and team doctors abuse and have a right old dig at who they want during a game..
Its ok if you are tied up in nz 'pc' world but let it go..

Hollaway..I just looked him up as i hadnt seen him play much at all..seems to have a decent record but maybe with the messam geezer they are looking for something different...who knows...

Cheers

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

knowitall wrote:

Agent47 is concerned about a coach or manager having a right go at an official...lad you might want to get out of nz football and whatch games in the uk or anywhere in europe..even the physios and team doctors abuse and have a right old dig at who they want during a game..
Its ok if you are tied up in nz 'pc' world but let it go..

You've missed my point entirely. I was illustrating the point of where the kids get the attitude from.

sh*t parenting generally leads to sh*t kids. Am I saying that Jimmy is a sh*t parent? No but I am saying that his attitude has rubbed off on the two kids. Stu has ability but is by an large viewed as an undisciplined head case thats played at how many clubs now? The term 'Lee Bowyer' comes to mind. Just a mental headcase (although granted not to the same degree)

Ian has to be careful because he is in danger of heading down the same path as his brother of becoming tainted by the same 'Hogg' brush.

And for the record of where I stand, I think Stu happens to be a better footballer than Ian..

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I apoligise for missing the point Agent47..

But you have said 'sh*t parenting generally leads to sh*t kids'. Why say that if it not relevant to what your saying.

Some players do have more clubs than tiger woods!!!

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