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Proposed FIFA World Cup Expansion

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over 12 years ago

Yup totally get that but he is trying to win votes by playing with something that is not broken.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

He is a French git.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago
It's broken to some people - about 50 countries who desperately want to be in the finals but realistically have bugger all chance. A lot of those countries would take involvement at any cost and won't be thinking too much about how well 32 teams works. Platini's only way past Sepp is to try something new that could be a popular change.

Fuck this stupid game

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over 12 years ago
Leggy wrote:

He is a French git.

I'd prefer Platini to Blatter. Platini is a snake is plain sight. Blatter is one hiding in the grass.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Leggy wrote:

He is a French git.

I'd prefer Platini to Blatter. Platini is a snake is plain sight. Blatter is one hiding in the grass.


I dislike both of them. Platini cause he never got over one of his mates shagging his wife.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago
Leggy wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Leggy wrote:

He is a French git.

I'd prefer Platini to Blatter. Platini is a snake is plain sight. Blatter is one hiding in the grass.


I dislike both of them. Platini cause he never got over one of his mates shagging his wife.
Can you blame him?!?!?!? If one of mates was diddling my wife, I'd be a bit more than slightly miffed about it too.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago
Leggy wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Leggy wrote:

He is a French git.

I'd prefer Platini to Blatter. Platini is a snake is plain sight. Blatter is one hiding in the grass.


I dislike both of them. Platini cause he never got over one of his mates shagging his wife.

Yeah he should definitely forgive him for that.

Fuck sake Leggy.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 12 years ago
Buffon II wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Leggy wrote:

He is a French git.

I'd prefer Platini to Blatter. Platini is a snake is plain sight. Blatter is one hiding in the grass.


I dislike both of them. Platini cause he never got over one of his mates shagging his wife.


Yeah he should definitely forgive him for that.


Fuck sake Leggy.


Leggy, would you "get over it" if Ricki Herbert shagged your missus ?


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over 12 years ago
nufc_nz wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
[quote=Leggy]

He is a French git.

I'd prefer Platini to Blatter. Platini is a snake is plain sight. Blatter is one hiding in the grass.


I dislike both of them. Platini cause he never got over one of his mates shagging his wife.


Yeah he should definitely forgive him for that.


Fuck sake Leggy.


Leggy, would you "get over it" if Ricki Herbert shagged your missus ?

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Would not have a hope. She likes class.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

And she pulls you............ I guess 'class' is a perspective thing.


Back on topic - still think FVH is mad to push against this.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

Cant believe there is any argument or doubt. We take it (the opportunity) in both hands if it gets offered, and then do all we can to win our section.



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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

I'm torn 3 ways on this

From my world football point of view - Leave it at 32. It works.

From my NZ based idealistic PoV - Go to 40, have us join a 12-team Asian group with 6 spots up for grab. Meaningful competition including 5 games at home over an 12-18 month period with a decent chance of qualification for the big show.

From my PoV of someone who cares about NZ Football and is kinda worried about its future - Go to 40, with one spot for OFC. We play Tahiti etc, we do everything we can to obliterate them and we go to the World Cup and take all the benefits for the game in this country that come with that which we need desperately.

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over 12 years ago
otagofan wrote:

I'm torn 3 ways on this

From my world football point of view - Leave it at 32. It works.

From my NZ based idealistic PoV - Go to 40, have us join a 12-team Asian group with 6 spots up for grab. Meaningful competition including 5 games at home over an 12-18 month period with a decent chance of qualification for the big show.

From my PoV of someone who cares about NZ Football and its kinda worried about it's future - Go to 40, with one spot for OFC. We play Tahiti etc, we do everything we can to obliterate them and we go to the World Cup and take all the benefits for the game in this country that come with that which we need desperately.

This sums up my view perfectly. 
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over 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Isn't it just logic? The 33-40th teams aren't as good as the top 32, therefore it's diluted. Whether it is significantly diluted or not is a different story. 

My problem with it is more to do with the increase in meaningless games. Don't fix it if it ain't broke, I say. 

That would be the case if you're selected purely on world rankings, but that isnt the case. North Korea qualified for the last WC while remaining ranked at 105th or something. But many teams ranked higher, in AFC alone, missed out. So pretty unfair to say those that missed out wouldnt be as good as those who qualify. Lowly teams qualify directly every 4 years, and strong sides miss out. Fact.

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over 12 years ago

Please dont use FIFA rankings to justify anything. They arent worht the paper they are printed on.

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over 12 years ago

Wonder what sort of backhanders old Sepp has offered FVH to oppose this ?

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over 12 years ago
AJ13 wrote:
Tegal wrote:

Isn't it just logic? The 33-40th teams aren't as good as the top 32, therefore it's diluted. Whether it is significantly diluted or not is a different story. 

My problem with it is more to do with the increase in meaningless games. Don't fix it if it ain't broke, I say. 

That would be the case if you're selected purely on world rankings, but that isnt the case. North Korea qualified for the last WC while remaining ranked at 105th or something. But many teams ranked higher, in AFC alone, missed out. So pretty unfair to say those that missed out wouldnt be as good as those who qualify. Lowly teams qualify directly every 4 years, and strong sides miss out. Fact.


Ok. Take it on. Confederation basis then. (Without knowing how many qualify off the too of my head - the numbers are arbitrary anyway) the 6th best team in Europe isn't as good as the 5th best, the 4th best African team isn't as good as the 3rd best etc etc. It still holds up. 

Allegedly

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over 12 years ago
sthn.jeff wrote:

Wonder what sort of backhanders old Sepp has offered FVH to oppose this ?


at the end of it all it wont help our casue as much as being at a WC every four years - if we can get auto qualification assuming we are top of Oceania think of the friendlies we could get. It would be an easier conversation than the ones we have now where we have to explain who and where we are.....

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 12 years ago

TBF think home and away qualification games are bigger than being at the WC without having them- Mexico playing in Wellington and all these Mexican and US supporters and who knows who else aware of us. Being at the WC wouldn't get us a high profile game like this in Welly and I don't like the idea of the WC being any larger or longer than it is.



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over 12 years ago

An automatic spot for Oceania (however it is achieved) would mean entry into a 'major' competition every 2 years (assuming we beat the island teams). Its a good start, then maybe in future we can use that to build toward an Asia move and even more meaningful games. 

Don't see it happening though, unless he is stupid enough to expand the World Cup. 


Allegedly

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over 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

An automatic spot for Oceania (however it is achieved) would mean entry into a 'major' competition every 2 years (assuming we beat the island teams). Its a good start, then maybe in future we can use that to build toward an Asia move and even more meaningful games. 

Don't see it happening though, unless he is stupid enough to expand the World Cup. 

FIFA clearly don't give a sh*t about maintaining any sort of credibility or integrity for World Cup though. If they can find a way to suck more money out of it then they will, regardless of any other factor. Qatar 2022 for instance... Platini is behind the "Welnix touring circus" approach to the Euros so if he becomes FIFA president then a 40 team WC could well happen IMO

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 12 years ago

Not living in NZ anymore I was wondering about the vibe in NZ and Wellington in particular about this match. Is there much publicity? Has the illustrious Mayor of Wellington Celia Waid-Down decided to capitalise on the enormous publicity this match will generate globally.

Because this will be huge. I have already seen plenty in the Euro press about the match. The Wellington game will probably be the last match to decided the last slot for the WC. The television audience will be huge. Probably into the tens of millions in Mexico alone....but there will be big interest in the USA and the rest of CONCACAF as well. Looks like plenty of Euro TV channels are going to show it.

There will be plenty of Mexican fans coming down. They will come even if all of them don't have tickets. I would imagine there will be a huge Mexican media contingent as well...rumours of at least 10 or more TV crews. Wellington is going to be a happening place that week.

So its a huge opportunity for Wellington as a city and NZ to get loads of publicity.....I suspect there will be the usual last minute "gosh this is big isn't it" and SFA will have been done before hand.

In reality this game is way bigger globally than the last Rugby WC final. The French sports daily L'equipe estimated that the global TV audience for that RWC final was about 15 million. This game would hall in 2 times that amount just in Mexico alone . Plus the game will be picked up by loads of Asian and Euro Channels. 


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over 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:

Not living in NZ anymore I was wondering about the vibe in NZ and Wellington in particular about this match. Is there much publicity? Has the illustrious Mayor of Wellington Celia Waid-Down decided to capitalise on the enormous publicity this match will generate globally.

Because this will be huge. I have already seen plenty in the Euro press about the match. The Wellington game will probably be the last match to decided the last slot for the WC. The television audience will be huge. Probably into the tens of millions in Mexico alone....but there will be big interest in the USA and the rest of CONCACAF as well. Looks like plenty of Euro TV channels are going to show it.

There will be plenty of Mexican fans coming down. They will come even if all of them don't have tickets. I would imagine there will be a huge Mexican media contingent as well...rumours of at least 10 or more TV crews. Wellington is going to be a happening place that week.

So its a huge opportunity for Wellington as a city and NZ to get loads of publicity.....I suspect there will be the usual last minute "gosh this is big isn't it" and SFA will have been done before hand.

In reality this game is way bigger globally than the last Rugby WC final. The French sports daily L'equipe estimated that the global TV audience for that RWC final was about 15 million. This game would hall in 2 times that amount just in Mexico alone . Plus the game will be picked up by loads of Asian and Euro Channels. 



Sorry.....posted this in the wrong thread. Never post with a massive hangover
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over 12 years ago

True. The world get Dewhurst *facepalm*

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:
AJ13 wrote:
Tegal wrote:

Isn't it just logic? The 33-40th teams aren't as good as the top 32, therefore it's diluted. Whether it is significantly diluted or not is a different story. 

My problem with it is more to do with the increase in meaningless games. Don't fix it if it ain't broke, I say. 

That would be the case if you're selected purely on world rankings, but that isnt the case. North Korea qualified for the last WC while remaining ranked at 105th or something. But many teams ranked higher, in AFC alone, missed out. So pretty unfair to say those that missed out wouldnt be as good as those who qualify. Lowly teams qualify directly every 4 years, and strong sides miss out. Fact.


Ok. Take it on. Confederation basis then. (Without knowing how many qualify off the too of my head - the numbers are arbitrary anyway) the 6th best team in Europe isn't as good as the 5th best, the 4th best African team isn't as good as the 3rd best etc etc. It still holds up. 

Come on man, to argue that the 6th best team in any confederation is so vastly inferior to the 5th best team that it would make watching some games at the World Cup unbearable is pretty silly.
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over 12 years ago

Reckon you need to read my original post properly. 


Allegedly

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over 12 years ago

Terrible idea for the sake of the World Cup.

Would rather we joined Asia and earned it.

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over 12 years ago

This is interesting...

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/286997,blatter-flags-scrapping-world-cup-qualifiers.aspx

What's he up to now?

"I think we should try to find a solution where at the end of qualification you are in or out and not just (in a) playoff.

OK, the playoff gives more intensive action in football but for those teams it is really a hard way to go (out)."

Obviously the only way Oceania can qualify without a play-off, is by direct entry or by joining another confederation's pool play.

Is this his way of signing up to the 40 team World Cup idea? Or is this some kind of counter-proposal?

Who knows with this guy?


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over 12 years ago


What about if the OFC, AFC, CONCACAF, and CONMEBOL playoff teams went into a 4 team home and away league? No more playoffs like Mr Blatter hates but enough of the status quo to not upset anyone too much. We wouldn't get as many quality games as if we went into the AFC final qualifying round but we would have got home and away games against Uruguay and Jordan as well as Mexico if it had existed this time

 

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over 12 years ago

think of the travel costs involved - the OFC team would be bankrupted by this alone

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 12 years ago

Dont FIFA pay these ?

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over 12 years ago


Was thinking broadcast rights would help cover that

 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 12 years ago
martinb wrote:

TBF think home and away qualification games are bigger than being at the WC without having them- Mexico playing in Wellington and all these Mexican and US supporters and who knows who else aware of us. Being at the WC wouldn't get us a high profile game like this in Welly and I don't like the idea of the WC being any larger or longer than it is.


Just think of the money the bars and hotels in Welly will earn for the second leg, and that's just the media contingent drinking the place dry.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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