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Result vs Wales.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Result vs Wales.

Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

This deserves its own thread. In short, a fantastic performance. Grit, guts and no small measure of skill, and it's been a while since I could say that.

Hopefully what is has done is ended a few international careers of players that should be put out to pasture anyhow. I'm talking about Danny Hay, maybe Simon Elliott, Ivan Vicelich, what have we really ever done with these guys in the side anyhow? Age is against them all, and now the incumbents surely can't be discarded.

Shane Smeltz proved me (and others, I think it's fair to say) with an outstanding performance. Surely he'll get himself a league contract after that. Andy Boyens was phenomenal and Tim Brown sublime. In fact, this is what I thought of the performances.

MARK PASTON - Outstanding. Only one rush of blood keeps him from scoring a ten. 8.

JAMES PRITCHETT - Probably played his was out of a starting place at least. Poor distribution and decision making. 4.

TONY LOCHHEAD - Solid up against a couple of Europe's outstanding players. 7.

ANDY BOYENS - Amazing performaance. Won nearly everything in the air, good distribution and looks a natural leader. 10.

BEN SIGMUND - Stepped up bigtime. Looked very comfortable alongside Boyens. Occasionally caught out by pace. 7.

DUNCAN OUGHTON - Solid, did most that was asked of him efficiently. went forward well on occasion. 8.

JEREMY CHRISTIE - Who? Was he on the pitch? Played out of position on the right and with our poorest player in behind him, so don't write him off but was anonymous last night. 5.

TIM BROWN - Should stay as captain. Good distribution, dropped deep to help out, the heart of the team 10.

LEO BERTOS - Outstanding performances. Creative, willing to get on the ball. Surprised to see him go off when he did. 8.

CHRIS JAMES - Great on the ball, would like to see him do a bit motre in the final third, taking players on. Barry Horne's comment on him lacking a bit of pace over distance is astute. 7.

SHANE SMELTZ - Where did that performance come from? Could have won it and deserves the accolades and a contract. Great finishing and is making Halifax look stupid for letting him go. 9.

In short, imagine Killen in for (or up front with) Smeltz, Nelsen in for Sigmund (unlucky) and Mulligan in at right half with Christie moving to right-back. All of a sudden things are looking a whole lot brighter.

Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Also, did anyone also think that the whole side looked a lot more "together" than in recent times? Perhaps a few of the disprutive influences were missing this time?

Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I agree re Christie, i was surprised when i saw he was being substitued as i didn't know he was on the pitch (i tuned in about 90 secs after kick off, and missed the lineups).

I think 10 from Brown is way off, a decent game. My players of the match were Boyens, Smeltz, Sigmund, Bertos (esp 1st half), and was quite impressed with Oughton, i thought he was gutsy and played with passion in the midfield.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Agree or dis these...

Paston 7 A couple of brilliant saves, and only one stuff up - coming 30 metres out and missing it. I wsih someojne would tell him not to screw up his face every time he watches his goal kicks though

Pritchett 6 Did really well going forward or chasing back, but a few passes astray and gave too much room to Bellamy a couple of times

Boyens 9 Bloody strong

Sigmund 8 Gave it everything, defended well

Lochead 7 Pretty sound, didn't get forward as effectively as I thought he could

Christie 5 Didn't seem very involved, prob not his own fault

Oughten 8 Very impressive, awesome run into the box for the first goal. I thought... who the hell is that?

Brown 7 Solid, competed and passed well

Bertos 8 Classy

James 8 Confident on the ball

Smeltz 9 Two great goals and dead unlucky with the poster

Barron 5 Did he touch the ball?

Campbell 5 Likewise

Team effort 10 Bloody amazing.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Compare well to my analysis in the "result vs Wales" thread, only I've been a little more generous with most (and a little less so with Pritchett). I really did think that Tim Brown was superb, up there with Boyens in my eyes.

Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

7 paston

4 pritchett

8 sigmund

9 boyens

6 lochhead

4 christie

8 brown

8 oughton

8 bertos

7 james

8 smeltz

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

TheJam wrote:

Also, did anyone also think that the whole side looked a lot more "together" than in recent times? Perhaps a few of the disprutive influences were missing this time?

They did look much more together and they played like a team. It was great to see.

The All Whites had a great game and I am proud to be one of their fans. Boyens and Ziggy had real corkers at the back, especially Boyens when he stopped a certain goal from Bellamy after a through ball from Giggs and after Paston blundered out of the box he managed to clear the ball out for a corner. Paston had quite a good game as did Bertos and Brown. I hope Smeltz can pick up a good contract, I couldn't believe it when he scored in the second minute and I thought I was dreaming when he scored his second.

So close with Bertos's cross/shot and Smeltz hitting the woodwork.

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[QUOTE=Oi Oi Edgecumbe] I wsih someojne would tell him not to screw up his face every time heÃ¯Â¿Â½watches his goal kicks though

I was thinking about that, why does he always screw up his face after he takes a goalkick? Does he have some injury or something?

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Just goes to show Ricki learns fast - remember the 3 man defence just recently including Hay & Bunce? You'll never see that again under his direction. The game is all about pace which is why Hay, Bunce & the ilk would never have been signed by the Nix.

As for the team unity on the park, it makes a huge difference if the defenders can at least stay in touch with the opposition strikers to put them under pressure without the midfield having to bail them out all the time. The whole game flow stems from that.

Go you good (fast) things!

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

OI OI! You in a generous mood giving plodder a 5. I'd have given him 1 for walking on the pitch and a couple because...ah, well for no reason really. Mr Anonymous of the game he was. I'm not sure what, if anything he added to the game. It did seem to me like we were actually playing with 10 men against 11 at times, so in that respect we really did achieve a decent result:-p

And yeah what is with Patsie Paston screwing his face up. He did it not only with goalkicks but with his punts up the field. Maybe we should nickname him THE GURNER.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Well Plodder apparently had a good hand in the first goal, so I read on a report somewhere, although I think Oughten made the most of that opportunity., so I gave Plodder a 5. At least he cleared the space for Pritchett to run forward quite often, even if he (Pritch) didn't always know what to do with it when he got there!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

We scored twice!!! How the f**k did we manage that!!!

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Wales would describe it as "complacency", we'd describe it as good ol Kiwi "attitude"....

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Oh, and what did i say about Christie. Anonymous as per usual.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Youre right again - like the previous comment, did not know he was on there until he was subbed...

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

For the moment I'll take a sigh of genuine satisfaction and bask in the warmth of the afterglow. Yep, it feels good.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

When Jeff Campbell is better than Christie... we have a problem

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

liek always with plodder. Definately NZ most over rated player, what does Riki see in him. I wish he had got caught drink driving, not Johnson.

It was great being at the game, sitting with Chris James's sister and girlfriend

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

And what did I say about Boyens before the game? Getting better all the time, and glad to see he won nearly everything in the air.

Consequently, Toronto gave up two goals in his absence against Columbus Crew on saturday, almost as if there was a hole at centre back...

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Bugger missed it! & missed the replay this morning because I was on here. DOH!

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Interesting see sigmund ahead of old in line up.

if ricki rates sig ahead of old in the national lineup why is it that old has a contract and sigmund doesn't?

Christie was no where, but not really his fault, he's not a right mids a hole, but he worked hard in stopping attacks down his flank, so defensively he was ok.

Pritchett is coping a bit, unfairly i think. He worked hard on Giggs all day and both goals came from pases in from Locheads side not his. Giggs had to go to the right to get some more time and space.

Agreed though he doesn't always know what to do with the ball at feet, made good forward runs then gave it way for some reason... brain explosion.

Great result, a nelsen boyens cb combo is great news... no room for Hay... Yay.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Do Wales normally play in white? I thought red was their home colour. I think conditions also helped us to perform better than on the Amercias tour. Maybe playing games in europe and Asia is a better way forward. Seatter said this morning he would only organise games in september in europe and only if the best players were available.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Red with white trim, white shorts, red socks is their current first kit, yellow with green trim and shorts their normal change kit. So against us they wore their third kit, which I thought was a bit of a design mess.

Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

anyone know if the goals have been uploaded to youtube or anything yet

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

sanday wrote:

I think conditions also helped us to perform better than on the Amercias tour. Maybe playing games in europe and Asia is a better way forward.

I think the difference is. We play better against European style teams. Good on the All whites for getting all these games against SA teams, in the heat, in the SAmericas home ground on a fast moving surface. But we struggle against the americas, because they play that attacking style where they like to take players on with ball at feet. This is something NZ struggle to defend against. Look at Bellamy in our goal box. No-one could tackle him, I was just hoping we would at least get a foot in when he shot. Because we just couldn't get the ball off him.

If we build it, they will come...

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