Should the All Whites do a Haka?

Should the All Whites do a Haka?

Sorry , have to do this poll again because it was inaccurately done in the previous one . .

---This is a single vote poll---

The haka.

A great NZ sporting traditional.
Was done by the All Whites in the 80s.
A real good psych up.

But like our less than desired want for the Black strip to be our main strip and being the only sport to wear white as a main strip (unless you are the White Ferns cricket team) as well as turning patriotic non-soccer folks from even considering watching an All Whites game, we turn the Haka away from the sport as well. (why would any moari kid want to play soccer with no traditional connections?)

Okay, FIFA does not allow us to perform the Haka at their tournaments. But that was for the Haka at the beginning of the game. So why not at the end of a game that we just won? Or why not at a friendly game not under any FIFA tournament. In fact our Oly-Whites performed an Haka after they had their last game where they lost to Belgium 0-1. There was no complaints specifically from FIFA as it is not their tournament (per se) and the other kiwis were doing it in other olympic sports.

Discuss and vote . . .

---This is a single vote poll---AllWhitebelievr2009-07-01 17:28:23

100% in favour yuss!!!!

No. No. And in case I wasn't clear, hell no.

I just err to the side of yes, mostly because I don't see why not. Maybe dissenters could 'enlighten' me as to why not?

They don't do hakas in England/Europe.

I'm all for it as long as Mulligan is leading it.

What has haka got to do with football?

once again then ...

what has the haka got to do with hockey?

they still do it.

its awesome and is unique to NZ. so what if it is known mostly from rugby. we can still do it as a moment to be proud of when playing for our country.

bring it on!!!!

plus it would probably trip out alot of oppositions  esp the arabs..

My favourite is still when the Tall Blacks do it.  There's something intrinsically wrong with 7-footers, a couple of who are naturalised Americans, doing the haka....I bet they hate it.

have to agree there....

Hockey guys shouldn't do it either.

What has that got to do with it??

Looks like the end of a haka

I think he's making a point about how people want us to do Football exactly the same way it's done in Europe. At least that's what I get out of it.

No. If he players really want to, they can do it in changing sheds after they qualify.

I've always imagined what it would be like for a crowd at a sporting event to rise up and perform the haka. I've read about kamatua urging rugby crowds to join in for years now but, of course, rugby crowds are too dour and sedate for that kind of carry on ...

Why even bring it up.. Haka = NO...

I suppose that the Haka would look better when the All Whites are in the Black Strip rather than the White Strip. . . .

Personally, if the NZ Football team and management discuss this and choose to do a haka, I say good on them.

They should...
...only do a haka because they all want to, focusing on what it means for each of them to represent NZ and ignoring ill-informed or ignorant criticism.
... understand that a haka, properly done,is a unique and perfectly appropriate way of signalling unity, intent, energy and spirit for any New Zealand mens team. A good haka has little to do with musclebound beefcakes, but everything to do with focus and purpose.

They shouldn't....
.... do a haka if they aren't all in agreement and united in purpose.
.....do a haka because the All Blacks/Tall Blacks/Mens Black Sticks etc do it and they feel they have to or feel NZ expects them to.




RedGed2009-07-02 00:28:20

If the players feel proud to do a Haka as part of their rite of initiation to their game as New Zealanders, They should feel right at home.

Bad idea, a bunch of white guys in white doing the haka? Any other team doing a haka other than the all blacks look wrong.

the all blacks shouldn't even be doing it before games.

Have to disagree with you here, Prof.
Any NZ mens team who knows what they're doing with their haka, (wearing black, white, blue,even in suits and ties for instance!!) whether their ancestral roots are nordic, celtic, asiatic, hispanic, african... it doesn't matter, imo.

What matters is that, if they choose to do a haka, they understand what they're doing, and do it properly,and do it with pride in being a New Zealander.
If the haka is a distraction from the teams purpose and focus.. don't go there.
If it helps get them all focussed...on winning..Rip into it!


RedGed2009-07-02 12:53:33

The ABs shouldnt even do the Haka except for select games.

The Haka is sacred, it's far too commercialised now. Think of the Haka as currency, the more of it, the less it's worth.

Hence my comment about the ABs, remove the Haka from 80% of games. Do it only when the pressure is on, ie World Cup, Blesidloe cup decider.
benlav2009-07-04 12:03:12

Beginning to sense a trend here....

AWB's Evil Plan:
Step 1 -  The All Whites should wear black!
Step 2 - The All Whites should do the haka!
Step 3 - The All Whites should pick up the ball and run with it! 


But in all seriousness, the haka is overdone as it is. If the players want to, sure, they can feel free to. Should we ask/tell them to? IMO, I think not.

Hey Robb. what about..
 Step 4 - AWB amalgamates The All Whites and The All Blacks  and we get...

The All Greys  (in" kiwi speak", thats a type of tea -Liptons, the new principal Sponsor!)

OR...

The Black and White Minstrel Show.
There'd be a bit of a song and dance about that!
RedGed2009-07-05 22:53:24

I was there when the All Whites did a haka at the end of their match v Brazil at Jalisco Stadium in Guadulajara in 99. I thought it was fantastic and helped give Kiwis a sense of cultural identity on a world stage. It was a proud end to a proud performance back on the world stage.

The habit of doing hakas had deservedly previously died out many decades ago with New Zealand football teams populated largely by immigrant Poms.

Historian Barry Smith wrote a very good piece on football hakas about 10 years ago for Sitter fanzine. If i find a digital copy, I'll post it.

 

 

You may not have seen it on the TV coverage here - given I was there, I've no idea what was shown here! - but at the Olympics, both the OlyWhites and the Football Ferns conducted hakas after their final matches.

But girls don't do thae haka?

Oh don't they, just?

Sorry, it should have read women shouldn't do the haka (if we are referring to the kamate haka)

Agreed J.D    Ka Mate not really appropriate for women.
 but the Ngati Porou (East Coast) women do have their own haka.

I'm certainly no expert but even a cursory glance round the internet suggests that women don't participate in most haka by performing (it's more support, or singing).  Completely curturally innappropriate for them (or the AWs) to be doing it.  In fact, most sports teams.  No understanding, no history, it means nothing to them.  There are loads of reasons why they shouldn't be doing it, and very very few that I can think of why they should.  Almost all of them apply to the All Whites as well. 

they should do a one off haka in their playoff games.

JC can lead it!

But seriously no. not ever.

No means no. The All Blacks look like dicks - the AWs will look like bigger dicks (and not in a good way - smaller dicks, but in a bigger way, like maybe lots of small dicks)