Should the All Whites do a Haka?

for my two cents- there is absolutely no point doing it at the end. It is a challenge and a taunt to the opposition before the game/ritualistic battle. If the taunt can't be backed up it really does become something of a joke.

Well, imagine this, the All Whites qualify for the World Cup in South Africa, they score twice against Australia, putting the Aussies out of contention from going through to the next round.

Yeah the messages being "WAKE UP YOUR DREAMING"

stranger things have happened,

although i'd prefer not to be in the same group as oz, because no doubt they'll prolly be in a group with Spain and Brazil. plus i could still cheer them on like the last cup..

Look Convict, we've knocked you fullas out on your own soil, let alone in a neutral country. You only joined Asia to get away from us...

If by some miracle we do qualify, I think we'll probably be in the same pot as the AFC teams, which would rule out us being in the same group with any of them.

Spain and Brazil will both be seeded, so there's no chance they'll be in the same group.

I read somewhere that the Oceania team would be seeded if it wins through the play-offs.
I really don't know how they will seed the teams for 2010 - just know Pot 1 will have Brazil and Spain in it with Pot 2 prob have Australia and New Zealand in it. (This is where AWBeliever comes in handy)convict2009-07-14 15:31:11

Eh? Did someone called me?

It breaks down into two parts

Part 1: 2002 and 2006 World Cup
You get points based on your finish in the World Cup. 1st = 32 points, 2nd = 31 points, 3rd = 30 points all the way down to 16th = 17 points. Then 17th to 24th get 9 points and 25th and 32nd get 8 points.

Then to make it just a tad more complex, the 2006 World Cup gets twice the weight of the 2002 World Cup.


Part 2: FIFA rankings in past 3 years.
This is where it gets subjective. To calculate this part, you need to know the 32 teams in the World Cup. Of course, to this date, only six have qualified. You can use different methods to fill in the remaining 26 teams. In this case, current standings in qualification is used.

Once you have the 32 teams, you rank them by FIFA ranking in December 2007 then assign 32 points to the highest ranked team then 31 to the 2nd highest down to 1 point for the lowest ranked team in the World Cup.

You do that again for the rankings in December 2008 and the most recent rankings (the final seeding will use November 2009).

Then you average those three results to get the 2nd half

Add part one to part two and you get the total. Click on the link below for a table.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/RL3AO/worldcupseeds0709.jpg

Edit: the YF forum links are not working so just copy, cut and paste the URL into your browserAllWhitebelievr2009-07-14 17:04:33

The 32 teams ware divided into eight groups of four, with the top eight (atm most likely they will be Brazil, Germany, Italy, Spain, England, Argentina, France and Netherlands if they qualified but Mexico and then USA from the list if one or two of them fail to qualify) from the seeding methodology. (as in my previous post) are all seeded (obviously not including NZ).

Geographical criteria plays it part, meaning that only one team per confederation � with the exception of Europe, which has two teams allocated to each � could be placed in a group, an added complication would be like having a team like Serbia and Montenergo (in 2006) as the lowest ranked of the 14 UEFA teams, who were given a �special pot� to avoid having three European Teams in the same group.

Serbia and Montenergo in 2006 could have been any of the groups that had a non-european seeded heading the group. That is Brazil, Argentina and Mexico groups. As it were, S&M was in Argentina's group.AllWhitebelievr2009-07-14 17:18:22

Anyway, we could be in the same group as Australia as we are OFC and Australia is AFC and Australia is midtable rankings whereas we would be the lowest ranked team in the WC finals if we get there. So it still quite possible. Different confederations despite having a AFC/OFC playoffs.

Because OFC has a playoff with AFC does not mean it turns into an AFC team nor does a CONCACAF team turns into a COMEBOL team if they win a CONCACAF/COMEBOL playoff.

So Kamate Kamate . . . to the Aussies then AllWhitebelievr2009-07-14 17:31:41

Few issues there AWB:

Only 6 seeds are worked out under the system you mention. The hosts and defending champions are automatically seeded (provided the champions qualify).

The rest works out a bit easier than 2006. There's only 13 teams for next year, and considering there will be 5 European seeds (one out of France or Netherlands won't be seeded), pot 2 will have the remaining 8 European teams. Gets more complicated for pots 3 and 4. If we qualify (and it's a big IF), the only way we may end up in the group with Australia or any other AFC teams is if the CONCACAF team wins the play-off against the CONMEBOL team, which is very unlikely imo. In that case you get this division of remaining teams: 5 CAF, 4 AFC, 4 CONCACAF, 2 CONMEBOL (Brazil and Argentina seeded), 1 OFC. Common sense would then say pot 3 is AFC and CONCACAF, and pot 4 the rest. But if CONMEBOL team win the playoff, then you have the following division: 5 CAF, 4 AFC, 3 CONCACAF, 3 CONMEBOL, 1 OFC. In that case, we'd get in the pot with AFC and either CONMEBOL and CONCACAF, and the other one of those two in the other pot with CAF. It's all about how the numbers will fit.

Oh so true, EG.

Italy is the defending champions so that is covered. So Netherlands will be likely to be unseeded rather than France and South Africa as host are seeded.

[Netherlands may be unseeded as South Africa are host but they are quite low ranked compared to previous host. However, that may change cause it depends on the next WC committee. It has quite been finalise but it is unlikely to change. But I have hear the odd groan for such a low ranked host getting seeded.]

Atm if Mexico finds themselves as 4th CONCACAF then they can beat 5th placed CONMEBOL but if Honduras became 4th instead, then CONMEBOL should nab a WC final spot easier. Mexico is 4th behind Honduras by a measly draw point atm.

So CONCACAF may win against CONMEBOL in the playoffs. It's 50/50 in my book.

Anyway, I rather not be in the same group as the Aussies, we already had that in the women's U20 tournament in Russia 2006.

Wow.  Battle of the Nerds.