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Squad for 1st leg

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Surely Fallon has to start? He seems to be a larger ariel threat than Killen. Though all i saw of Fallon was 60mins v Jordan

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
whitby fever wrote:
Whilst it took a while to recover from the nightmares caused by Old when at the Phoenix I am a bit surprised he has not made it into the squad.

He's playing in SPL against decent opposition and is actually getting game time, 0-0 against Rangers suggests he can't be doing that bad. The named defenders include Mulligan and Scott who effectively play for no-one, neither of them are getting any competitive game time and it's not like they are must have players. Maybe RH has yet to recover from his Old memories.
 
Yes I'm surprised as well. I have no idea why he was so poor for the nix, he's a damn good player every other time I've seen him play.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
No Old in there is just ridiculous. Why would pick Mulligan, a player who can't even start for the Phoenix, over a play playing in the SPL? it makes no sense.

Smeltz and Killen have to be the strikers. Killen has been playing at a high level and has much more experience at the level required then Fallon and Wood. I wonder if Fallon can play in the midfield there to make up for our lack of good options? 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steven Old has never played well for the Phoenix or the All Whites.  To be honest, it doesn't matter who the 16-19th players in this squad are - they won't see any game time in these two games. 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If you want a hint at the starting lineup I suggest you listen to the Miles and Yatesy interview with Ricki at about 1.45pm today.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
                      Paston
Mulligan   Sigmund  Nelsen   Lochead
 
Bertos      Brown    McGli...   Elliott
 
                Smeltz    Killen
 
I know this wont be popular, but hear my reasons. Vicelich is slow so we need a quicker backline, especially in the center, thus siggy there with Nelsen. Vicelich's lack of pace could be an issue.
 
I put Mulligan there ahead of Scott, because at this time of year he should be fitter, faster and more game fit than Scott being involved with the Nix. Also his set pieces are easily the best in the NZ squad, and these could prove vitally important to us.
 
Up front, i went for Killen, simply because i think he tends to find that little extra for the national team and he's playing at the moment. If i didn't go for him i'd pick woods over Fallon.
 
Woods is getting game time, Fallon is not, both boys are big, but Woods also has a reputation for working hard for his team mates and not being lazy, it has been suggested in the past in the uk that Fallon can be lazy.
 
Elliott is out left, we need a linking midfielder which is McGlinchey, Elliott played there for Fulham etc so knows the position. Obviously he wont do big runs up the flank at pace, but we can use lochead on the over lap and he can sit in behind and cover. Lochy can run all day. I'd rather see this than McGlinchey thrown out to right wing.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Why is Chris James not added to the midfield?
Ive heard that he was supposed to be the player of the future for the All Whites? Shogan2009-09-29 18:19:55
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TouchMe wrote:
                      Paston
Mulligan   Sigmund  Nelsen   Lochead
 
Bertos      Brown    McGli...   Elliott
 
                Smeltz    Killen
 
 
I put Mulligan there ahead of Scott, because at this time of year he should be fitter, faster and more game fit than Scott being involved with the Nix. Also his set pieces are easily the best in the NZ squad, and these could prove vitally important to us.
 
really?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Shogan wrote:
Why is Chris James not added to the midfield?
Ive heard that he was supposed to be the player of the future for the All Whites?


Because he hasn't played for moths for Tampere due to injury.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
cheers for that
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TouchMe wrote:
                     
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I put Mulligan there ahead of Scott, because at this time of year he should be fitter, faster and more game fit than Scott being involved with the Nix. Also his set pieces are easily the best in the NZ squad, and these could prove vitally important to us.
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Scott > Mulligan any day. He's been training with the Nix too.
Bertos will be the set piece taker, he's had very good deliveries and assists from free kicks and corners last few months.

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Elliott is out left, we need a linking midfielder which is McGlinchey, Elliott played there for Fulham etc so knows the position. Obviously he wont do big runs up the flank at pace, but we can use lochead on the over lap and he can sit in behind and cover. Lochy can run all day. I'd rather see this than McGlinchey thrown out to right wing.


Elliott's our best midfield player with the best passing range, he'll be in the middle.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TouchMe wrote:
                      Paston
Mulligan   Sigmund  Nelsen   Lochead
 
Bertos      Brown    McGli...   Elliott
 
                Smeltz    Killen
 
I know this wont be popular, but hear my reasons. Vicelich is slow so we need a quicker backline, especially in the center, thus siggy there with Nelsen. Vicelich's lack of pace could be an issue.
 
I put Mulligan there ahead of Scott, because at this time of year he should be fitter, faster and more game fit than Scott being involved with the Nix. Also his set pieces are easily the best in the NZ squad, and these could prove vitally important to us.
 
Up front, i went for Killen, simply because i think he tends to find that little extra for the national team and he's playing at the moment. If i didn't go for him i'd pick woods over Fallon.
 
Woods is getting game time, Fallon is not, both boys are big, but Woods also has a reputation for working hard for his team mates and not being lazy, it has been suggested in the past in the uk that Fallon can be lazy.
 
Elliott is out left, we need a linking midfielder which is McGlinchey, Elliott played there for Fulham etc so knows the position. Obviously he wont do big runs up the flank at pace, but we can use lochead on the over lap and he can sit in behind and cover. Lochy can run all day. I'd rather see this than McGlinchey thrown out to right wing.


that is my team except Mulligan out for Scott.

scott >>>>mulligan.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Just hoping that Leo gets his form back before this game. We need him firing.

Also disappointed reading that Moss didn't get an appeal for his ban because of the ineptitude of NZF.

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TouchMe wrote:
                      Paston
Mulligan   Sigmund  Nelsen   Lochead
 
Bertos      Brown    McGli...   Elliott
 
                Smeltz    Killen
 
I know this wont be popular, but hear my reasons. Vicelich is slow so we need a quicker backline, especially in the center, thus siggy there with Nelsen. Vicelich's lack of pace could be an issue.
 
 
Lost credabilty there. Suggest you you do a bit more homework on the oppisition.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
iv heard that paston is the weak link to the team...does anyone agree? just a query
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think it's pretty clear what the starting XI will be, but I'd love to see;

                               Paston
                                  1
                 Nelsen             Siggy
Scott              5                     4          Lochhead
   2                                                         3
                     Brown
                         6            Elliot
                                          8
            McGlinchey     
                    10                Bertos
      <--------------------------7-------->
 
                Smeltz
                     9   Killen
                            11
Scott in the backline, Brown playing box to box, Elliot as a deep lying playmaker/distributer, McGlinchey as a classic #10 and Bertos with a free role.
You know we belong together...

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Did I hear correctly..Smeltz and Wood upfront with Killen behind?....and 5 across the back..that would leave 2 in mid?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
agree with el grap  Elliot = central mid
 
 
edit - and pleased that we now have the option of using Fallon and Killen either one after the other, or in tandem if we are looking for a goal later in the second half
 
with the right attitude from the ref their combined physical presence could be an asset
tigers2009-09-29 21:56:00
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Nightz,

Bahrain is a fairly quick and mobile team, as is most of the Middle Eastern teams, whilst they may not be as sharp as others, they certainly would look to get behind us as the wont beat us in the air.
 
Therefore common sense and logic suggest they will look to play it in behind us down the flanks and through the center. Vicelich is too slow.
 
Credibility restored!!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Marius Lacatus wrote:

Based on the Jordan game I think very likely he will start ...

Sigmund             Vicelich           Nelsen            Lochead
 
McGlinchey        Brown            Elliott               Bertos
 
                                 Smeltz                               
 
                                             Killen
 
Possible he could put vicelich on the bench, push Sigmund central and slot Soott in at right back, but he probably showed his preferred hand in Amman

Would have to agree that this is what I see as our starting line up.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
liverpoolfan1 wrote:
Steven Old has never played well for the Phoenix or the All Whites.  To be honest, it doesn't matter who the 16-19th players in this squad are - they won't see any game time in these two games. 
Old was not a good performer for the PHoenix but I regained a little more faith in him after his performance at the Olympics. I thought he was gutsy and defended really well there. Struggles if he has to pass and distribute but plays well without the ball. quite strong, quick and good in the air.
He is definitely a centre back and would not be a starting choice there. He's probably the victim of both herbert having lost some confidence in him at the phoenix and us having several centre back options - but he cant have had a much lesser case for inclusion than Vicelich and Boyens. Interestingly, he is the only All White playing regular football at right back at the moment. That's where Kilmarnock have been playing him - due to oversupply of centrebacks.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
1 word for reason why Old had trouble at the nix,

Odor.

He had to play next to that guy.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
darkhorse wrote:
iv heard that paston is the weak link to the team...does anyone agree? just a query
No I disagree. He is not a weak link but debatably a strong link due to his terrific organizational skills. However you may say in a defence with Nelsen at the heart of it, Paston's organizational skills will not be AS important but still important.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Marius Lacatus wrote:

Based on the Jordan game I think very likely he will start ...

Sigmund             Vicelich           Nelsen            Lochead
 
McGlinchey        Brown            Elliott               Bertos
 
                                 Smeltz                               
 
                                             Killen
 
Possible he could put vicelich on the bench, push Sigmund central and slot Soott in at right back, but he probably showed his preferred hand in Amman
I think you've got it right here, especially as they'll be going there to nick aresult, not tear Bahrain apart. 


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oska wrote:

I think it's pretty clear what the starting XI will be, but I'd love to see;

                               Paston
                                  1
                 Nelsen             Siggy
Scott              5                     4          Lochhead
   2                                                         3
                     Brown
                         6            Elliot
                                          8
            McGlinchey     
                    10                Bertos
      <--------------------------7-------->
 
                Smeltz
                     9   Killen
                            11
Scott in the backline, Brown playing box to box, Elliot as a deep lying playmaker/distributer, McGlinchey as a classic #10 and Bertos with a free role.
Maybefor the home leg? I think we'll be fairly conservative awaywolfman2009-09-30 00:30:47


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ricki has talked about 3 CB's??? ok if thats not concervative then I don't know what is. He also mentioned playing 3 strikers. Not in the same line up ofcourse.
But what if we did haha
 
                   Paston
Scott  Sigmund  Nelsen  Vicelich Lochhead
              Bertos    Elliot
           Fallon  Killen Smeltz
 
lol just a joke. But I hope he can fit McGlinchey into the lineup


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think it would be closer to:

                         Paston

             Sigmund  Nelsen   Vicelich

Scott/Mulligan                            Lochhead

               Elliot/Brown     Bertos/McGlinchey

                             Smeltz

             Fallon/Wood     Killen

(thats a lot of brackets, but i think you get the drift).

I agree on McGlinchey, he has looked the goods for CCM from what I have seen of him.  He seems to have the ability to play into the strikers feet, and to make intelligent runs.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
well, from this :

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/2915392/Herbert-mulls-new-formation


                         Paston

       Sigmund    Nelson    Vicelich

Mulligan                                     Lochhead

    Bertos           Brown           Mcglinchey

                 Smeltz        Killen


SUBS

Elliot
Fallon/Wood
Scott
Spoonley


                                         
                
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
there is no way mulligan will start and elliott wont
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