The next All Whites coach

Wait for them to pull out once they see the pay.

These guys are so rubbish they can't get a job in the uk

I wouldn't be upset by dowie  at all. Think he's had three premier teams so can't be all bad. Hope he gets the gig 

Am I allowed to say that I don't like those three names (if the rumour is true) ?

Sanchez intrigues me, you would think there are a lot of parallels between the Northern Ireland job and the All Whites gig. He did really well for them.

Sanchez is an old school long ball merchant. Why would anyone truly advocate a British educated coach? The coaching fraternity is in the doldrums. These guys are 25 years out of date - need to look forward. 

Terry Butcher? LOL.

We have just punted him from Hibs after an incredibly bad run of something like 2 wins in 20 and got relegated as a result.

I would not consider Butcher but would look at the other 2 surely they would be more qualified than Emblem.

Rather have Rickie back than Dowie, Butcher, or Sanchez. These guys offer nothing.

won 11 drew 10 lost 11. Basically identical to Herbert's win rate, I also recall he was always going on to the press.  His highest win rate was with that football powerhouse Wycombe where he had a won 87. Drew 71 lost 97. Worst than Rickie did with the Phoenix win rate-wise.

I don't think we should be looking at English-born coaches. By all means look at the continent, south/central America anywhere but England particularly those three chancers. I'd rather have John Beck than them.

The best we have to choose from is Dowie, Butcher, Sanchez... That's 3 plus Remon, Emblem and one more...

The kiwi boys have a shot in my opinion. Hopefully the last one is Gus Hiddink! 

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If this is he calibre of of the type of coaches we are looking at then this is rather depressing. Why do we still have this cultural cringe that "it must be better if it comes from the "old country". I always had a gut feeling that NZF would look to the UK for the AW coach. Are we going to end up with some old hack who gets the gig because he has played or been involved with some clubs we have all heard of?.

In Theory this selection should be about the man and his qualities, not his nationality, so  there shouldn't be any debate about where he comes from. However the reality is different. Anyone who has been following the debate in the UK and Europe about the repeated failure of England will know what I am talking about. The concensus is that the UK coach development system has seriously failed. it has failed to produce  good coaches who are up with modern tactical techniques. Basically the systems in place to continually produce good UK coaches has been deemed a failure.

The stats are revealing. The Guardian said that the UK has around 1100 to 1200 pro trained coaches. Spain has over 12,000.....Germany even more.

It is possible that we could find a good coach out of the UK. However there are countries like Holland and Belgium who have revolutionised there coach training system....and you can see it in the way there teams play. We have a batch of very exciting young players coming into the AW's. IMO we are more likely to get a coach who can mold these talented youngsters from say Holland/Belgium/Spain/France than from the UK.

Terry Butcher.....my god!

Just because they have put their names forward, doesn't mean we are hiring them. 

I trust Ivan to judge each on their merits.

Ouch. I'm torn. As a Womble, I back glorious FA Cup Final hero Sanchez. As someone of Irish descent, I'm wary of anyone who coached the team of those sectarian yobbos from the gerrymandered six-county Orange statelet. As a Kiwi, I'll back anyone who's got the goods.

Some people are forgetting that Emblen is English and look at the way he has us playing... 

Those three names just fill me with disappointment. Terry Butcher.....really? Surely some people remember his time at Sydney. I was not expecting international world class coaches and frankly would be happy with complete no names but let's look at the style of football those three have their previous teams playing, not the name on the CV. As someone said, going back 25 years and we have just come out of the Ricki era.

If those are the three that made it out of the pack, we must have had some complete clowns applying. Hell even Wynton and GVE would be better than those three.

Ian Dowie would easily win the ugliest friggen manager around award. I bet he even scares his own kids.

I remember when Jumping Joe McGrath got the director of coaching (or whatever it was called) job at NZF way back when. He came from a shortlist including the likes of Trevor Morgan and Greg Downes. The name that have applied here are cut from that cloth, i.e. they're a couple of decades off the pace. I just hope they give it to Ramon with Emben as his dawg.

Having seen all three of these UK candidates play and coach over the years I would have to say that the only candidate that would push is forward as a footballing nation and, maybe, actually make some headway in world football would be Ramon!

I have watched ACFC a lot this year and would love to see a kiwi national team play in that style. Just watch a reply of their world club game and see how well they competed with the Moroccan team.

Steve McLaren has some interesting thoughts on coaches.   

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/280787031

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/23/germany-bust-boom-talent

The incredible depth of Germany's coaching resources, as well as the DFB's close relationship with Bundesliga clubs, helps to make the programme. According to Uefa, Germany has 28,400 (England 1,759) coaches with the B licence, 5,500 (895) with the A licence and 1,070 (115) with the Pro licence, the highest qualification. It is little wonder that Ashworth said last month that there will be no quick fix for English football. The country that invented the game has forgotten that we need people to teach it.

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If that UK report is true and those three UK dinosaurs are in the final group of 5 then just pray that Ramon and Emblen are in with a good shot. Because the job description states that this job includes coaching the AW's and an overview of all of the NZF's youth grades. Whoever we appoint will have a big say in the future style and direction of NZ football. IMO Ramon and Neil Emblen have done exactly what is needed in bringing NZ football along a more modern way of playing. I shudder to think where someone like Butcher would take us.

IMO Ramon and Emblen could get us through the qualifiers against the Oceania nations. If we then made the Con cup NZF could bring in some senior technical backing for them. 

Please NZF...don't cock this up!!!!!!

Please NZF...don't cock this up!!!!!!

Not been here long then ,  mate ?

"Interim All Whites coach Neil Emblen has been cut from New Zealand Football's shortlist of applicants for the top job."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11287864

Nervous.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...

I find it tough to have sympathy for Emblen when he was not exactly saying off the bat 'Yes I want this job, its mine and I am ready for it' and then he is very disappointed not to be in the short list. Its like a kid that says they do not care if they are invited to the birthday party and then having a tanty when not getting an invite. He came across as very indifferent and wishy washy about the job in the press over it. "They know where to find me" - yeah they do but perhaps if you showed a bit of desire about the job publically, it might have gone better for ya.

I hope he is kept on as an assistant and gets off his ass and gets the licences he needs because he could be the next coach. It would be interesting to know if Ramon is still in the role. He has been vocal about wanting it so would it be fair to assume he might be the same if he was cut too? Is the Ramon/Emblen combo still on?

I just hope they have not jettisoned Emblen in favour of the other 3 names that were bandied about. I also hope this is not a face palm by NZF whereby as 2ndBest said, those from overseas drop out when they find out the cash on offer and they are left going back to Emblen (or Ramon or whomever) because its the best of what they can afford.

I hope emblem stays in the national setup thou, he did get great support from the players, so they clearly like to have him around.

Emblen cut from shortlist for All Whites role

Good.

so Ramon had a successful professional playing career? How many Spanish caps?

My guess for the shortlist -

1 Farina

2 Ramon

3 Dowie

BREAKING NEWS

A late applicant to NZF for the All Whites top job. Richy Sherbet. More info to follow.

I have a terrible fear that a so-called high profile UK coach like Dowie or Butcher will be appointed. Remember the CEO Andy Martin is a London banker and rugby organizer and they're used to plush restaurants and tasty junkets. At the moment NZF is flush with dosh (from the WC playoff TV rights) and unemployed coaches on the other side of the world, who know nothing about local football or players, merely sniff a decent payday. They're not going to care two hoots about NZ football. Martin probably thinks the ASB Premiership is a top end bank account for swills. I suspect the vultures will swoop in until, surprise surprise, the coffers are once again bare and then disappear.

Just what is a part-time AW coach going to do most of the time? Three or four AW games a year will hardly keep them busy. If they're going to be in charge of all NZ age groups then this appointment is extremely important. If a coach is unemployed in the UK then there is probably a good reason for it, like err, not being very good.

If it's not a coach heavily involved in NZ football then I can see them walking sooner rather than later and we're left with another shambles.

I hope Ramon stays at ACFC but he would be a breath of fresh air in NZ football. However I suspect the Brit mafia at NZF would be uncomfortable with him and his style of play. My money is on Butcher or Dowie and it'll end in tears.

Probably as many as Jose Mourinho, Whats your point?

Terry Butchers coaching record is awful. His win % is 35, hardly inspiring.  It will a big mistake appointing this guy.

However I suspect the Brit mafia at NZF (name other poms bluemagic to back up this well trodden old cliche.

Fact is, Andy Martin should never have been appointed CEO. Fox in charge of chicken coup saying comes to mind.

Rugby organiser, banker and never played the game. Now there's a quality football CV if ever there was one.

Emblem only has himself to blame. His lack of enthusiasm has cost him big time. Any employer if they have two applicants of equal ability (thinking Ramon here) is always going to shortlist the guy who shows some passion and enthusiasm. Ramon has that in spades. Can't quite believe that he was so docile about the whole thing. Maybe it goes back to his Knights playing days

I never said he had a successful playing career or Spanish caps just that ACFC play a good brand of football and that if you had watched the Moroccan team you would have seen that they competed really well at the highest club level possible.

Sorry should have said Moroccan game!

Ive always thought that if NZF appointed Emblem or Ramon it would show that they have no real interest in WC qualifying. However with the names narrowed down and whats left to choose from, I believe Ramon may just be the right man. Honestly Dowe/Butcher/Farina/wanker they all stink. 

If Ramon's All Whites crash and burn in the play offs what are we gonna say? Cheap coach - Cheap results?.

The consensus here seems to be get Ramon - and when you look at the names bandied about I agree.

You can either sign known mediocrity or take a punt. If we can't attract top talent then we don't have much choice.

Ramon will likely be cheap, has a knowledge of the NZ game, and if we don't look like things are clicking in a year or so there is time to find someone before the next world cup.

Compared to some of the people on offer even Farina is looking good. (and I never thought I would say that)

Hopefully there is someone talented on the short list that we don't know about, but if not please be Ramon.

I'm surprised that Emblem is out of the running to be honest, had the public behind him, the players behind him, etc. Should have been his to lose.

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Because we are playing peanuts we will get one of two types of people applying. Firstly old hacks who can't get a job and will take anything. Or two....bright young prospects who are hungry and ambitious and see an International coaching job like this as a good career move.

In an ideal world you would hope there is some up and coming guy who has a good background in modern technical coaching and can really take NZ football into a new era.

I suspect NZF will go for the old hack.....because he has had some background with some recognisable UK clubs.

Factually incorrect.