The place for WYNRS worship.

The place for WYNRS worship.

Interesting story in the Sunday News today. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaynews/4466180a19778.html

 

Apart from Sam Malcolmson wanting to be co-CEO of New Zealand Football (which is a topic on its own) Sam wants to:

 

�"utilise Wynton Rufer and his extensive global contacts"�

 

Which made me wonder - is there any chance of Wynton playing some sort of meaningful role with the Nix? If not now, then soon.

 

Yeah, yeah, I know he's currently hooked up with one of the Aussie consortiums trying to break into the A-League, but he's a Kiwi, and he has a standing in the world game no other New Zealander has managed.

 

I know plenty of people have fallen out with him over the years and he's got a reputation for being difficult. Even a bit strange.

 

But how do he and Ricki get on? Would Terry S and/or Tony P be open to Wynton in some sort of consulting role? Identifying new talent and steering them to the Nix would be a great start. 

 

Maybe the idea's been floated in the past and sunk. But my guess is that Wynton is in Aussie because he doesn't feel welcome at home.

 

Has the time arrived to put aside past differences and try to establish some sort of working relationship with Wynton for the good of the professional game in NZ?

 

 

Hard News2008-07-04 14:21:26

I agree its worth a try. He has been such a towering figure in NZ football that its always worth a chance, even if he is somewhat "odd". He is a gifted footballer and that is what matters most.

He'd be more disruptive than anything imo

I don't see how we need him. No point dwelling on glories of the past, let's move forward and forge a new future for NZ football. KTBW2008-04-06 15:09:23

yeah i can see your point. We are making new legends right now.

well John Matheson is

Isnt he tied up with the crowd from North Queensland?

he's a bit of a tool isn't he?

I remember when he was player/coach at the Kingz, some good times there. (last minute goals etc.)

It was never dull with Wynton in charge, I don't think I'd want him near the Phoenix though... his senior coaching record isn't exactly superb.

Yeah even the North Queensland bid bailed on him - they went looking for a different coach

I'd welcome Wynton to be involved with the All Whites and NZ Football development in some way but would rather thats what he focused on.  The growth of football in NZ over the next 1-5 years is going to be phenomenal. 

With the increase in profile due to the inspirational Phoenix and the rising success of the All Whites as we head to another World Cup sometime in the near future, the playing numbers of youth of NZ will rise and with the right people in charge the beautiful game has its best chance to fulfill its potential in this country since '82.

I admire all that is happening in the backroom at the Phoenix and don't think they need any help  from Wynton so would rather he helped the rest of the country and the national set up. 

In Terry, Ricki and Tony P the Nix have a great team who are making all the right moves in a short space of time - where we go from here is up to the players and the fans and thats all looking a bunch of yellow roses so far.

C'mon my Phoenix.....

PHOENIX CITY.....

and I'm very much "Phoenix til I die"

I always feel that the best thing that NZF can really utilise Wynton Rufer in these specific player development roles;

Designing Junior and youth development template for coaches to focus their coaching sessions and become the NZF football development director overseeing the programme developments in the federations.

Junior and youth development should really emphiase the players skill factor and organise team awareness that utilise their skill. The players development at that age is paramount. Once that the skill factor is emphaised and worked hard at, the elite level in NZ will benefit greatly in the long term. This means that at the senior level, the coaches have less work on correcting individual skill factor but can focus on the teamwork without the individual blunders. Fitness and speed can always be worked on later on but skill is more important to focus on with simple team ball possession and the best time to do that is at Junior and Youth ages.

Then I would expect that he would hold coaches meetings among the federations to introduce player targets and basic junior/youth team targets and then produce a booklet that can be downloaded from the internet with a NZ specific password allowing only NZ IP address access.

Also at youth development stage, coaching players to start develop self-awareness about their playing rather than instructions. this is to refocus them about their game and encourage self-motivation and skill development.

All this can be an expected national skill development outcome. It will be realistic and a system which will include New Zealand, German and Swiss ideas in our playing style. It would be a contrast development to the australia-dutch system of the Australia teams of recent years.

I think that if he heads an academy committee similar to the KNVB (the dutch national development programme) with recommendations for franchise/regional development that includes not just the elite youths and juniors but includes everyone. I always feel that the elites have been given very little competitive football, only to train up for specific set of football matches per year and take it easy for the club football. If the standard of the club football was lifted the elites have to work harder on their development because everyone in club football has enough skill factor to make them constantly work harder.

This is what Rufer is doing a bit of. What he needs is some go ahead and role from the NZF to develop the future All Whites and NZ football future.

I don't think that he should be involved with the Nix franchise, but I do think that he should be involved in the next NZ A-league franchise as a football consultant. What he did with the football Kingz had very good qualities but he didn't have the players with sufficient enough skills to make it happen. A lot of people don't really realise the amount of work he put in that wouldn't be a fundamental problem with European/South American players in order to get the players to play reasonable level and style in the NSL.

If you look at what Ricki is doing with the Nix, it is very much similar to what Wynton was doing in the NSL but with better financial backing and greater access to slightly better players since we are talking about A-league.

Wynton still has the best manager record out of the Kingz, Knight and Phoenix teams as yet.

That's right.  Playing Batrim Suri and Aaron Silva up front and crossing it in to possibly the shortest striking combination ever (G. Little and L. Corrales excluded) was a super success.

He did some good things, but he also did some rubbish things and he had by far the best quality of players of any of the seven Kingz and Knights seasons.
Hard News2008-04-06 21:59:53

Ahhh Aaron Silva. One of the brightest stars of the team. Shame he got injured, he had such lovely skills but lack the height and physical strength, so many players had body checked him and there was hardly a referee to protect him. They did have really bias referees in those days in the NSL. Thats one thing that A-league had improved on, is the ref bias. Still they can be below standard but not bias.

Did you watch Ben Williams this season ?

Well relatively speaking there was always a few rotten apples. Even the Aussie fans are sick of him. He's a Mu**et and below standard.AllWhitebelievr2008-04-06 22:27:24

The best way to involve Wynton is go to him, give him a specific role/area and say 'here are your boundaries' just so its clear from day 1. You'd tell him that hew would have to do this, have to do that, can't employ his brother, leave religion out of it and in between, produce us a winner.

I think that if the gridlines are mapped out from the start, then the inference is on Wynton to take it or leave it and everyone knows how the cards are stacked.

I wouldn't do too much with him. Let him run his Wyners Academy and maybe give him some funding or approval status. There's no reason why he and anyone else couldn't run their own academies, get some funding from NZF and some accreditation. Why put our future in the hands of just one man? Napier Phoenix2008-04-07 07:49:28

Get some funding from NZF?

ARF ARF ARF.

Napier Phoenix wrote:

I wouldn't do too much with him. Let him run his Wyners Academy and maybe give him some funding or approval status. There's no reason why he and anyone else couldn't run their own academies, get some funding from NZF and some accreditation. Why put our future in the hands of just one man?

All those that say " go to ruffer give him boundaries, give him an input" this has been tried, the olive branch has been offered so many times but only willing to be accepted if wynton can "do it my way"

scribbler2008-04-07 11:42:12

ah, it's a while since we've had a reference to (Wellington) Diamonds

scribbler2008-04-07 15:56:59

I had an internet search. . . Got some info.

Chris James, Cole Peverly, Alex Feneridis, Mario Hofmann, Cameron Lindsay are the result of the Wyners Academy.

Dylan Windust has a 3 year high school scholarship in Japan.

Michael Fitzgerald on a 3 year scholarship with J-League team, Albirex Niigata

Andrew Milne not far behind Cameron Lindsay in getting a club.

So Wyners Acadmey has been going on for like 10 years now and it would be interesting how some of these players come through into the national age groups.

I had a look at their lifeskill programme and it's all basic common sense and no religion being pushed. All this talk about his beliefs are just really unwarranted attacks, surely. Whether he gets his brother on board or not is besides the point, every coach has their own backroom staff to take with them.Thats the way the want to manage things if they think it works well for them.

I have to say it would be interesting watching his prot�g�s making a mark. Considering they exist mainly as football for the main public and a specific academy programme for the advanced/talented players.

How many of them were also a result of IPDP or any number of other initiatives as well as WYNRS ?  How can you judge what skills came from WYNRS vs. other programs ?

If WYNRS is a production line for class players and been going for ten years there should be a generation of 22 year olds playing first team football overseas,  not returning to New Zealand as the older generation seem to be.

I will also add AGAIN, that his senior coaching record is rubbish, WYNRS could turn out 40 kids a year but not one bit of that would prove he has any ability with senior players.

If the old National League had relegation in the late 90's he'd have got a North Shore side stacked with All Whites relegated from the National League for gods sake.  I watched the3m surrender to an average Melville side at Porritt Stadium and they were awful.
Hard News2008-04-07 22:48:27

there is nothing more frustrating than to hear a coach or director of a specific program claim to have produced, been responsibile for the development or the success of a player. its probably one of the most frustrating things in small minded nz football as soon as a player achieves some level of success there are coaches and programs cueing up to claim the fame for producing the player.

He's only has about four academies about the country so I am not expecting much in terms of volume of players. Most of those who start at 5-7 year old at the beginning are only about 15-17 year old with the full development course. Anyone older, didn't have the full development course and are partially developed like Cole Peverly. Also most of the kids are just ordinary kids from normal general background and not from any football ties nor represent the best in the region. So what are we to expect??

As for expecting that generation to have first team experience overseas, what 17-21 year olds have extensive first team experience? They have to be like Christian Rolando to get such experience and even he had to have a year in the reserves, if I am not mistaken.

Anyway, how many NZFC players can pass all the Wynrs certificate skill levels? It would be definitely less than half for sure TBH.
AllWhitebelievr2008-04-09 03:00:32

Originally posted by kilted_kiwi

there is nothing more frustrating than to hear a coach or director of a specific program claim to have produced, been responsibile for the development or the success of a player. its probably one of the most frustrating things in small minded nz football as soon as a player achieves some level of success there are coaches and programs cueing up to claim the fame for producing the player.

^He's got a few good points^ multi ball skills and SSG development at a early age is WYNRS base of existing.

The point is that there are plenty of great young players who have come through New Zealand football's channels like the IPD etc and have done really well without even going near Wyners.  So until players who have gone through Wyners start eclipsing those in the normal channels in represntative teams then how can you really argue that Wyners is this so called factory line of talent?  Where is the proof that players who go through Wyners are better than their counterparts in the equivalent age bracket?

It should also be noted that Capital Football play now and have for years played SSG's, I can only assume the rest of the country is the same.

I'm 24 now, and remember playing SSG pretty much up until regional league (JPL now I think) level which kicked in around Under 10's ( 10th grade).  Might be remembering wrong but I am pretty sure.

James if you can name some of these quality young players coming through that are not involved inWynrs i would like to heat who they are.