Trains like Tarzan, plays like Jane
Trains like Tarzan, plays like Jane
Sorry lads, this is going to upset a few people, but I reckon the
Phoenix have signed the wrong under-17.
Costa Barbarousos has not stepped up to the big stage.
Fluffing a good chance, putting a cross 10 yards, hitting weak
passes that don't even go halfway to the player. And its not even
half time yet.
And that's after being subbed at 60 minutes in the first
game.
Call it nerves, call it carrying the world on his shoulders,
call it what you like, but the good players rise to the pressure
and are not found wanting.
I for one am going to take a hell of a lot of convincing that
he is all that he is hyped up to being.
On the other hand, someone sign Chettelburgh now. The youngest
in the team really looks the goods. Cracking shot on him, works all
day, gets into great positions, and gets back to help out his
defence.
As I said, they'vr signed the wrong U17.
sad to say, I agree - Costas has fluffed a shot on goal, a couple
of corners ..... I really hope he has a better second
half (and of course it may be a different story when he's playing
with a professional team)
when i've seen costa play best it's been up on the last man, for
the sake of the team he's been asked to play in the hole and i
don't know that that's where Ricky would use him
some of you lot would have seen him play a lot more than me,
what's your opinions?
(seems unrealistic to judge him in this set of circumstances
via tv)
I think he played pretty darn good in the game tonight against
England to be honest.
hes good isnt having the best tourny doesnt mean hes a bad player
and dont think you can just go say chettleberg or watever is better
hes good isnt having the best tourny doesnt mean hes a bad player
and dont think you can just go say chettleberg or watever is
better
Yet 10 minutes of watching Richard Johnson and you reckon he's not good enough ?
Please...
A bit of perspective please.
He's the only kid on the team with a pro contract and the
captain as well so the weight of expectation is huge. This thread
is proof of that. It wouldn't surprise me to see someone his age
struggle under the circumstances, especially considering all the
players he's been up against so far are playing for big
clubs.
How about we lay off him a little.
And does anyone else think that pitch looks rougher than a
Marion St Hooker?
I knew my post would upset a few people but free speech and honest
opinion are what seperate us from the parts of the world where life
isn't as good.
For what it's worth, I thought he had a much better second
half, but my scepticism is based on years of experience watching
young sports people excel at a young age only to be overtaken by
lads who were not as precocious.
In that famous Manchester United youth team that produced
Beckham, Scoles, the Neville Brothers, Ryan Giggs, Robbie Savage et
al, the star of the team, who got all the write ups was a young
player whose first name was David but I can't remember his second.
He scored the most goals for the side and everyone thought he was
going to be a superstar- except for one Alex Ferguson. He took the
lad aside one day and said, son I don't think you're going to make
it - I don't think you have enough bottle.
And so it proved. When he was up against the hard Roy Keane
type pros, he went into his shell. He never stood up and he never
made it although he played a few seasons of lower level
football.
It must be also noted that he made a success of another
career, as an airline pilot, but that is another story.
New Zealand sport is littered with kids who have had too high
an expectation on them - Orene Ai'i (he was a certain All Black
superstar after his college football days), Mark Keddell (broke
every NZ athletics sprinting record as a young teenager), Eddie
Crowe (won a bronze medal in the 1500m in at the junior world
champs) and on and on and on.
Picking stars as kids is a tricky business.
All I am saying is that I am going to take a lot of convincing
that Costa is the real deal.
I hope that I am proved wrong.
And speaking of Roy Keane, he played in a youth team in Cork whose
star player was a certain Finbar Leahy. Again everyone thought that
Leahy was going to be the big man, except for the fact he is a
little man.
Keane went on to be the best midfielder of his
generation.
Finbar Leahy went on to be a successful jumps jockey and is
now a trainer in the North Island somewhere in New Zealand.
Interesting thread Daikiwi, of course you are entitled to your opinion. These guys are just kids and we all know that picking winners at junior level is a struggle. God, half of the guys in the 1999 u17 team aren't even playing football and of the Brazilian team that won here in 1999 only one is a professional footballer.
But to be fair, the coaching staff in and around the
team are certain that he has the goods, as do those here in
Wellington who have played with or against him, and coached him.
That includes a number of astute football minds. Players do, for
whatever reason have bad days, weeks months, tournaments. He's not
playing fnatastically, no-one is denying that, but I think we need
to wait and see how he goes. Conversely, two games doesn't make
Cory Chettleburgh the next big star. At junior level sometimes it
is looking at kids who have the potential (including both
physique and mental fortitude) to go all the way, rather than being
today's star. Everyone remembers the big fast kid who scored all
the goals in their under 13 rep team whose now play Capital 8 when
others overtook him. Sometimes those with the most potential won't
be the best player in the team as your story about Man U indicates.
I say give him time, and games. If we'd seen him play 20 matches
we'd be in a better position to judge, off the back of 180 minutes
of football I think it's far to hasty to say that we have signed
the wrong player.
I hope you are proved right.
There are exceptions of course, Stacey Jones was unbelievably talented as a youngster, as was Ali Lauitiiti - in another code of course but kids I saw in action for their junior teams. Real standouts who went on league stardom - Ali Lauitiiti was dudded bystupid Warriors management and we have not seen the best of him here, although Leeds has.Of course all the same provisos applies to Chettelburgh -
but he is one that the good scouts would be signing up really
quickly. He caught me eye and I said so.
As I said, free speech and honest opinion is why we enjoy the
lives we do.
And does anyone else think that pitch looks rougher than a Marion
St Hooker?
As for the thread, completely agree with JD.
Only saw 2nd half of England game and thought Costa played great.
Trouble with picking the 'next superstar' at junior level is
that some players are late bloomers. I used to play cricket with a
couple of lads who were okay players, but later went onto play for
NZ (Paul Hitchcock and Andre Adams). Ok, so they weren't
exactly cricket superstars but I don't think anyone would have
picked them to play for NZ when they were 16-17 years
old.
In that famous Manchester United youth team that produced
Beckham, Scoles, the Neville Brothers, Ryan Giggs, Robbie Savage et
al, the star of the team, who got all the write ups was a young
player whose first name was David but I can't remember his
second.
Giggs wasnt in that famous youth team, was already playing in
the first team. And i think the Warriors may have seen the best of
Ali - apart from his first season at Leeds he has been a regular on
the interchange.
Im hoping they give both Coasta and Draper plenty of
opportunties. We can judge them once they have taken the
stage.....(i hope that Spoonley isnt required this season / but he
looks the goods doesnt he)
Ali's career at the Warriors was ruined by Mick Watson and coach
Anderson's inability to get in the heads of the Polynesian players.
Ali was as quite and shy a guy as I have ever met, a genuinely nice
lad without a mean bone in his body. But boy he could play, and
would be just what the Warriors needed at finals time. I suspect
northern England is not the sort of place he would take to, and I
said, he should have been one of the greatest ever seen, but two
arrogant Aussie A-holes saw to that.
Sorry about the Giggs reference, it was off the top of my head, and
I'm sure I've left someone else out. Look, I hope the lad does
well, and remember the thread began at halftime of the England
game, when he had a somewhat less than impressive half - on the
back of a no better performance against Brazil.
So the warning signs were flagging for me, that people have
been hyping this kid up, and he did not step up.
The great ones usually do. And all this stuff about Adams and
Hitchcock rather proves my point. They weren't phenoms, Costa is
supposed to be one.
Giggs was, Keane wasn't. And both became great players.
But phenoms who fade under the spotlight are vulnerable to
doing so all their career.
I am not trying to bag on Costa, but I don't understand comments by some of people defending him along the lines of "he is only 17".
It is an under 17 world cup - everyone is "only 17".
Hell, Chettleburg isn't yet 16.
Also, it is all good saying that he is playing Brazil and
England, and not going to be as good as them, but all I am
expecting is that he is as good as the players in our team.
I am also struggling to understand the bit about playing out
of position - he seems to be playing in behind the striker, as
perfect position to get the ball, have a bit of space to turn, and
run at people. If he can only play on the last defender, he
doesn't seem very adaptable.
I hope the kid comes good, because from what I know about him
(talking to guys who play with him), he seems a nice kid, and a
good professional. I just fear that if he is struggling so
much against 16 year old kids at the moment, it is going to be a
long time before he is ready to play against Tiatto, Muscatt and
Craig Moore.
Thats a very good post. I agree.
very interesting posts, on side note i thought mattews played pretty well, he was one of the only players that had balls to try anything. Overall pretty disappointed by the guys performance in general. i dont think we are very well planned. Most of the goals scored against us were pretty soft, basic marking and movement let us down
i only saw the back end of the england game but the kid macintyre
looked ok, had a blazing shot go just wide. As for young Costa, a
wise man once told me that form is temporary but class is
permanent.....we'll see if that stands the test of time....i hope
he goes well.
And that Man United Youth included
Ryan Giggs (c) Phil nevilel, Gary Nevill, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, David Beckham Ben Thornley, Keith Gillespie, Chris Casper, Terry Cooke, Robbie Savage.
I have a sneaking suspicion Lee Sharpe was in there as well.
Barber212007-08-22 16:23:58
And that Man United Youth included
Ryan Giggs (c) Phil nevilel, Gary Nevill, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, David Beckham Ben Thornley, Keith Gillespie, Chris Casper, Terry Cooke, Robbie Savage.
I have a sneaking suspicion Lee Sharpe was in there as well.
Barber212007-08-22 16:23:58
Agree the marking was shocking players were caught in front of the
pommie /Brazilian strikers or standing a foot or so parallel
to the players moving in on goal the tackling weak and
and there was no fluidity in passing when they did win a rare
tackle .
The boy Barbarousos might come through who knows it will probably depend on how Herbert and co manage him but i reckon there will have to be a lot of toughening up based on these two performances if he is going to mix it with the big boys!
However they do say that the cream always rises to the top eventually lets hope so!
Kiwi Jambo2007-08-22 16:33:36
The boy Barbarousos might come through who knows it will probably depend on how Herbert and co manage him but i reckon there will have to be a lot of toughening up based on these two performances if he is going to mix it with the big boys!
However they do say that the cream always rises to the top eventually lets hope so!
very interesting posts, on side note i thought mattews played pretty well, he was one of the only players that had balls to try anything. Overall pretty disappointed by the guys performance in general. i dont think we are very well planned. Most of the goals scored against us were pretty soft, basic marking and movement let us down
i
And that Man United Youth included
Ryan Giggs (c) Phil nevilel, Gary Nevill, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, David Beckham Ben Thornley, Keith Gillespie, Chris Casper, Terry Cooke, Robbie Savage.
I have a sneaking suspicion Lee Sharpe was in there as well.
And that Man United Youth included
Ryan Giggs (c) Phil nevilel, Gary Nevill, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, David Beckham Ben Thornley, Keith Gillespie, Chris Casper, Terry Cooke, Robbie Savage.
I have a sneaking suspicion Lee Sharpe was in there as well.
Gary Neville was captain of the 92 team that won & the 93
team that lost in the final....his younger brother Phil was not a
memeber in either final but was captain in the 95 team that lost in
the final aswell.
He's the only kid on the team with a pro contract and the
captain as well so the weight of expectation is huge. This thread
is proof of that. It wouldn't surprise me to see someone his age
struggle under the circumstances, especially considering all the
players he's been up against so far are playing for big
clubs.
Exactlly.
Ive seen Costa day in day out in the CL and even in the
preliminaries leading to the WC and he looked brilliant. I think
due to reasons Malky stated hes having an off tournament.
He should take chances like these and prove himself but he
just wasent into it. I have faith that bigger and better things are
on the way for Costa is he keeps concentrated. Hes an amazing
player.
As for that Chettleburg, hes average city. mathews way
better.
ive played with kosta for years and people are giving him a hard
time because of what they have seen this tourny which is fair
enough because he hasnt been great but his team isnt great either
if his team was competing then i think you would see more out of
him hes having 1 bad tourny but its no mistake hes in the nix
squad... as for chettleberg he wasnt good at all really vs england
besides wanting to shoot but gave the ball a lot like evry1 but
best player for me has been matthews fast strong and looks
like the only 1 playing with heart