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<!-- bmi_SafeAddOnload(bmi_load,"bmi_orig_img");//--> I know good old TVNZ gets a bit of a bashing on this forum but I just watched their 10s clip on the under 20 match v Portugal and couldn't believe they managed to chuck in four factual errors in this very short space of time.
Firstly, they showed the penalty and said it was the first goal in the first half
Secondly, they showed the free kick, claiming it was the second goal in the second half
Thirdly, apparently both goals were "penalties"
Fourthly, they claimed the Gambia game is Thursday (it's Friday).
You may be asking what Veitchy got right? The score, but that was about it....
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I sense some more letters coming the way of TVNZ..!!
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I saw that too, and the TV3 clip. i blinked and it was already over. both barely clocked up 10 seconds. frustrates me that the AW's -20s was relegated to the near the bottom of the heap on both channels.

I love my Rugby League but do we care if the Bulldogs pumped the roosters 38-6? I know Sonny Bill is a kiwi but is this more newsworthy (or take priority) to the AWs in the under 20s world cup?? ggrr
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This Topic forced me to register and say something. The governments funding for the America's Cup. And TVNZ complete bias towards Team NZ sickens me.
 
It's pure propoganda, the only guy who actaully looked at the copmeptition without one eye closed was Coutts. The rest of the time it was PJ getting excited when he clearly has no idea what he is talking about.
 
Theres is no doubt how good it would have been for the country if we had won the old mug BUT....
 
Cant TVNZ show some Bottle and get behind Football?????? in some way, at least give some indication they give toss. Maybe  try to film one NZFC game a week. I know someone will come back and say, Ive been trying to get sponsorship for football, and the NZFC since the inception Blah Blah Blah... I really dont care.
 
I want less excuses from corporate TV people, and administrators. I think maybe Football NZ  needs a figure like Dalton, who doesnt give lame heard it all before excuses and gets things done. And if he makes mistakes puts his hand up.
 
Ive put my self out there, lets see peoples opinions...
 
 
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I agree completely. We've gotta get on the radio talk back and start firing off letters to the press. The situation is rediculous. NZ are participating in a sporting event that has sold over 1 million tickets !  FFS what the hell are our news media doing? THIS IS THE BIGGEST GLOBAL SPORTING EVENT OUTSIDE OF THE RUGBY WORLD CUP THIS YEAR! (and possibly even bigger).
 
Get on the phone folks. Do it today. Quote the ticket sales figures. Send images of the packed out Toronto FC stadium to the press. . .. . These guys are idiots and we're going to have to educate them.
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Does Veitchy know anything about sport full stop !!!!!!!! 
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Veitchy aint the Problem, he's a puppet dude. Taking home a fat salary so he doesnt give a Rats Arse. But I beleive he has no idea about Football.
 
People orgainising the NZFC and NZ football have to be held accountable, they are obviously crap at their Jobs and should be sorted out..... dont mean to sound arrogant but this needs to be seriously adressed!!!
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I did not see the coverage but that sounds really bad that they can't even get basic information correct. 

I have had a look on the TVNZ website and have found this article.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488120/1215187

It looks like TVNZ on freeview are going to highlight and reply all the U-20 games.  Maybe this is also a place where they could put Phoenix highlights.

I know they have been rough, but I guess this is a platform that they can show football on.


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<!-- bmi_SafeAddOnload(bmi_load,"bmi_orig_img");//--> I've said it before but it's worth saying again. Problem with TVNZ is that their head honcho obviously hates football, like a lot of media organisations. Note how the best coverage of football in NZ is from the three main newspapers - press, dompost and herald. It's because their football writers are "football people" so they push it well. Haven't seen today's papers but i guarentee they all gave the game yesterday and good run. That's what TVNZ and the likes need because it will just stay the same way until they address their complete bias against football and some of the ludicrous cheerleading of TNZ< AB's etc etc.
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What I dont get it, is how you could argue that the Americas Cup would give the country better exposure than the Football World Cup.

Give the boys 30million and see how Football develops in NZ, its a no Brainer....
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While I'm not a fan of yachting, I think some people have to accept the fact that most people in this country would prefer to watch the Americas Cup than U20 soccer.
 
Its seems to be a policy that money is invested into teams who show they have the best chance of winning, and I can't disagree with that philosophy.
 
Should the U20's somehow make it through to the last 16 and beyond then I am sure they will have a strong case for more funding. A catch 22, I know, but the incentive is there if they have the talent.   
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I watched in horror the TVNZ 10s clip and the info provided with it was a pathetic excuse for accurate reporting. An under 15 football supporter could do better than the so called TVNZ professionals!!! Something Football fans have had to bear for far too long!Time to bombard TVNZ with complaints people.
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Guys guys guys you always give 3,1 and radio sport a bashing for their poor soccer coverage and here is a few home truths about soccer in Nz.
Its not that popular
It is not higher than the fourth most popular sport in the country
More people like rugby league better
Those mistakes are pretty bad but when you consider whats in your sports news you must look at it from a bussiness prespective the put on what people want to see not enough people care about foot ball in this country its sad that they don't but they dont
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GBTU wrote:

What I dont get it, is how you could argue that the Americas Cup would give the country better exposure than the Football World Cup.

Give the boys 30million and see how Football develops in NZ, its a no Brainer....
We are ranked 154th in the world I doubt we are in the running for the world cup sailing is a bloddy good sport and one we are good at and one that is more popular than soccer.
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Notsure - I remember watching an interview with the Sports Minister a few years ago. Winton Rufer was also in the interview. Rufer was asking the minister why it was that football is the number one participation sport in New Zealand, yet number 12 for government funding. The minister just fluffed around without responding.

"Number one participation sport" - sounds popular to me.
 
I'm with Billy Connolly on the America's Cup and sailing in general - "not a sport, just a rich man's hobby"
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Notsure wrote:
sailing is .....more popular than soccer.
 
I'm going to have to see some evidence of that before I believe it. However I conceed that it may be the case. But I would suggest that the number of yachting viewers in a calendar year is well below the number of viewers watching footy here in NZ. Also I'd say that participation in these sports is heavily in favour of soccer.
 
Stats NZ should have most of the relevant data
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Notsure wrote:
[QUOTE=GBTU]

What I dont get it, is how you could argue that the Americas Cup would give the country better exposure than the Football World Cup.

Give the boys 30million and see how Football develops in NZ, its a no Brainer....
We are ranked 154th in the world I doubt we are in the running for the world cup sailing is a bloddy good sport and one we are good at and one that is more popular than soccer.
[/QUOTE
 
 
I doubt that sailing has anywhere near the particpation rates of football in NZ. In terms of international exposure the under20 Worldcup has a far larger audience than the Americas cup and thus provides more worldwide exposure for NZ, so perhaps they should get $10,000,000 to assist in the next world cup.
 
Aside from that it still dosen't excuse the shoddy report from TV1.
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Yes #1 for particpation does sound popular but its not popular to watch and there isn't that same football culture that you get in other countries
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I hate TVNZ as much as I hate Trevor Mallard
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True. But NZ to date has not offered much opportunity to watch NZ football . The NZFC has only had three seasons and the A-League not even that, with NZ representation in the ASL only happening for a couple of years before that.
 
Surely NZ can't be content with only taking seriously sports that the rest of the world classifies as a minority interest?
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phil_style wrote:
Notsure wrote:
sailing is .....more popular than soccer.
 
I'm going to have to see some evidence of that before I believe it. However I conceed that it may be the case. But I would suggest that the number of yachting viewers in a calendar year is well below the number of viewers watching footy here in NZ. Also I'd say that participation in these sports is heavily in favour of soccer.
 
Stats NZ should have most of the relevant data
Well I dont have any evidence but I saw a poll a few weeks back saying that people would rather watch the sailing then watch the all blacks that is huge.
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H8WBA wrote:
I hate TVNZ as much as I hate Trevor Mallard
Well I certainly hate Trevor Mallard
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The thing with sailing is that fans of other sports ie Rugby and league watchsailingt as there second favourite sport. Soccer is also widly disliked by most people because of all the diving and the fake injuries and all the rest.   Mallard isn't going to pump money into a team ranked 154 lots of people find Nz soccer a bit of a joke.
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Notsure wrote:
The thing with sailing is that fans of other sports ie Rugby and league watchsailingt as there second favourite sport. Soccer is also widly disliked by most people because of all the diving and the fake injuries and all the rest.   Mallard isn't going to pump money into a team ranked 154 lots of people find Nz soccer a bit of a joke.
 
where do you get your stats from?
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Most people I work with who like rugby and dislike football will admit that the oft-used excuse of diving etc is just that - an excuse to justify an opinion they already hold. Their opinions are valid as their own, but diving is a bit of a red herring. If you watch much football, you'll find that it is not as common as football-phobes like to claim, especially outside of the Latin countries. I normally rebutt with not liking rugby partly because I don't like watching players stick fingers up each other's bums!

I think the real reason for their wildly disliking football is down to an inferiority complex. They know that football is the only global game and they feel protective of little ole rugby because they don't have the arrogance of the Americans (who claim their minority sports to be world championships).
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Feverish wrote:
Notsure wrote:
The thing with sailing is that fans of other sports ie Rugby and league watchsailingt as there second favourite sport. Soccer is also widly disliked by most people because of all the diving and the fake injuries and all the rest.   Mallard isn't going to pump money into a team ranked 154 lots of people find Nz soccer a bit of a joke.
 
where do you get your stats from?
I just know this stuff I was mocked when I was at school for playing soccer didn't matter how good you were at all everyone kept on saying how much the players dive and rubbish like that on this rugby forum I was on they really get into the Americas cup even though before the tournament they didn't know who the current holders were.  
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Notsure wrote:
The thing with sailing is that fans of other sports ie Rugby and league watchsailingt as there second favourite sport. Soccer is also widly disliked by most people because of all the diving and the fake injuries and all the rest.   Mallard isn't going to pump money into a team ranked 154 lots of people find Nz soccer a bit of a joke.
 
Second favourite sport? How many people have responded in the study that has been conducted to what our second favourtie sport is?
 
Wildly disliked? Which study concluded that Soccer was wildly disliked by MOST people?
 
Do you mean to sugets that no simulation or deception goes on in other sports?
 
Lots of people also find Rugby a joke. Lots of people find science a joke. Lots of people find gardening a joke. Lots of people find internet forums a joke. And lots of other people also find those same things very fulfilling and entertaining. The argument you propose against football coverage here is not particularly convincing.
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Notsure wrote:
The thing with sailing is that fans of other sports ie Rugby and league watchsailingt as there second favourite sport. Soccer is also widly disliked by most people because of all the diving and the fake injuries and all the rest.   Mallard isn't going to pump money into a team ranked 154 lots of people find Nz soccer a bit of a joke.
 
 
What a load of bollocks, can you back up your first statement or are you assuming?
 
If as you say football is disliked by people because of the diving and fake injuries then where does that leave rugby as they do exactly the same things (including our own All Blacks). Its an unfortunate part of sport but it happens in all codes.
 
As we all know Mallard doesn't know the first thing about sport, he chases the headlines and pops up where he can get the most publicity. I bet you that if the u20s beat Gmabia and get through to the next stage his ugly mug will pop up.
 
You are just going to have to face the fact that NZ football is starting to develop and it will only get more popular as time goes on, regular apperances on the world stage at varying levels will grow the game in the publics mind as will a succesful A league side.
 
You can't get away from the fever :)
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I want the Phoenix to be succesful and to succede i'm saying lots of my firends think its a joke maybe its just my friends but I dont think so. All labour do is stand around and open things and take credit for other peoples success they are a bunch of idiots.
 
Basically my posts in review
Tvnzs coverage was rubbish
Soccer isn't that popular in Nz though because everyone thinks they are "girls'
People outside soccer dont really care about the u-20 world cup because in their minds its not a prestigious event.
I however do like soccer this is what some other people have said
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All the participation figures are on the sparc website. TVNZ have been a major sponsor of yachting since the Michael Fay days.
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Watched CNN sport news with a couple of Canadian co-workers.  News order: rainy Wimbledon, Copa America, EPL transfers, West Ham's legal matters, and Tiger Woods' baby news.  Finally the most 'exciting' race ever seen for the 'Auld Mug' came on.  My Canadian friends said "What's that???"  I stated "My God, that boring piece of poo" and changed subject.  If I had told them how much the NZ media cream their pants over it - they might've thought NZ is full of weirdos.  It's sailing FFS.....
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Yeah. Lets hope the Phoenix do well and the NZ football teams can get some sort of results.
 
Its all going to help in the long run.
 
Getting some extra funding from the government would be a bonus.
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SiNZ wrote:

Most people I work with who like rugby and dislike football will admit that the oft-used excuse of diving etc is just that - an excuse to justify an opinion they already hold. Their opinions are valid as their own, but diving is a bit of a red herring. [/QUOTE]

I would say most kiwis only take an interest in football when the WC comes around. Personally I get fed up with watching the WC because the teams seem to play too defensive and dive any time the ball is near the penalty area. I guess is this due to the high stakes each game is worth in a knockout comp like the WC.
 
 
[QUOTE=Teza]
As we all know Mallard doesn't know the first thing about sport, he chases the headlines and pops up where he can get the most publicity. I bet you that if the u20s beat Gmabia and get through to the next stage his ugly mug will pop up.
 
As I have said previously the government is more likely to invest money in a team with a high potential of success. So yes he probably would pop his head up if the u20's did welll.
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I hate the feigning injury/diving excuses for not liking football. People feign injuries in rugby/over exaggerate things in rugby - and other sports - all the time for various reasons.

By the way, I f**king hate sailing but there is good reason for the tax payers money being used towards it.

Here are some figures:

Figures

$34 million: Amount injected into ETNZ by NZ government for the campaign just gone

$ Undisclosed: Sponsorship from Toyota, Emirates, Estrella Damm (Lion Nathan breweries) and other companies

$85 million: Amount injected into the New Zealand economy by the Team NZ challenge over the 2003-07 period, with a related 540-830 jobs.

$22 million: Amount Team NZ paid in PAYE as of May. That, combined with tax paid by contractors, means the initial $34 government million investment had been paid in full.

NZ Sports Minister Trevor Mallard said 55 Kiwi companies had hosted almost 600 people from 160 companies at events in Valencia, promoting New Zealand technology, products and services to high-value offshore business contacts and international audiences.

Helen Clark said there had been "months of unprecedented, high profile publicity" which was good for every part of the economy. Putting a price on the amount of publicity and the price of being perceived as being right up there with great design, determined people - I think it's immeasurable and I'm satisfied it's been a good taxpayer investment."

Though I do find it funny how most of the world couldn't give two tosses about sailing. More people care about rugby than the America's Cup, I would say.
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Lots of Cool posts on this topic...
 
The old mug is a very safe investment for the Government, all I mean by giving our boys a decent chunk of the pie is we need to look further than the end of our noses.
 
If the main reason for investing all that money in Team NZ is Brand exposure for the counrty, i.e News Headlines etc....
 
What would happen if we made the WC finals and won a few pool games, I can safely say the world would have alot more opinion about that, than making to the A/C finals.
 
My points simple, just invest in the future, this is just like the AKL council putting in heaps of money to make the Water front Pretty when the Public transport is shocking, sure they might put ia tunnel to the north shore, we all know they wont.
 
The bulk of the groundwork is done getting the kids playing, it just needs to be stepped up to the next level.
 
Also why invest all that money, when the key Guys in our team f**k off for more money.(Not saying I wouldnt)
 
How can it be a NZ team when you can leave your country behind so easily, I think we need to stop kidding ourselves that it is team NZ. More team Corporate w**kers...
 
 
 
 

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