U17's - Nz or England???
good long range shot from Matthews after a pass from Costa
yeah, a quick breakaway by the Uk, one on one to the goal mouth and
then shot thru the keeper's legs .....
Ahem... our local Scots, Welsh and Northern Irishmen might take issue with the use of UK there.
Hard News2007-08-21 22:46:17
game over: 5 - 0
yeah, a quick breakaway by the Uk, one on one to the goal mouth and
then shot thru the keeper's legs .....
Ahem... our local Scots, Welsh an Irishmen might take issue with the use of UK there.
- apologies, was quicker than typing 'England'
I'll be pleased if we finish 1-4
I'll be amazed if we finish 4-1
"sorry Sir the amazement is off the menu tonight"
so's the pleasure
People saying that the Under 17s play good football. Not really
they barely create any decent chances they have no one who can beat
a player, occasionally they string a couple of passes together but
not very often they are so physically weak that its embarrassing. I
didnt think England were that great at all few good players
especially going forward but overall an average side that wont
cause the Brazil's much trouble later on in the tournament! The
Under 20s get my vote for a few reasons, they were fit and at least
muscled up against there opposition, they never gave up, they
created numerous good goal scoring chances and should have scored
alot more that 1 goal and they had some players that could take
players on, plus there set peices were alot better than the Under
17s how bad have the corners and free kicks been just lofted with
no pace or direction! As for Costa he has alot to learn and improve
on till he can be NZ Soccer and the Phoenix saviour he barely can
keep the ball or complete a pass and his set peices were god damm
awful. Please play better against N Korea cause another 3 or 4 nil
loss and you go out 0-15 or 16 and its just embarrassing!
Costa had a better second half admitted, but for those of us who
went to all the Under 17 games in NZ, I can't see a Mulligan or
even a Plodder out there. The centre backs were awful, big
lumbering donkeys constantly ball watching and completely outpaced
and outclassed. Even Gleeson, who was the hero on Sunday (it could
have been12) had a very mixed day.
On a positive note Darkwa impressed as did
Mathews.
Costa was better, but by geez he disappointed me in the first
game and first half of the second.
Chettelburgh was not as convincing second half, but he showed
enough glimpses in the first two games to have me thinking, he
could be a real prospect.
Good points Toffeeman. I think what is really missing from this team, and in comparison to the 1999 side, is their lack of physical presence. Tney may be better on the ball, and play some pretty football (in midfield) but they keep getting pushed off the ball. They needed a Plodder like player in there to put himself about.
And the big guys they had were donkeys.
Ye 2nd half was better but that long ball crap is soo bad to watch.
As for Costa played better and ye just cant get involved and at
times doesnt look interested but u can see theres talent. I
think they player that has impressed me most is no doubt the right
midfielder Mathews!! Looks really good on the ball, pace and not
scared to take players on and got a hell of a shot. As for that
dude with the birthday he nothing special. Couple good saves but
then the keeper stuffed up a couple as well through late reactions.
As for centre backs and hamish chang terrible in the back got
dominated all day. I really dont think that England team was
anything special.
Honestly we are not good enough to be there. These results along
with the U20's show that Fifa was right in not giving Oceana
automatic entry to the world cup.
Not one of our players are strong enough or fit enough to
compete and as a result it make our skills look worse than they
probably are. I bet these guys look fantastic playing for their
schools and clubs but physically the are not up to it.
ten years ago Winton Rufer said that we were 20 years behind
Australia. I honestly think the performances speak for
themselves.
I agree where crap. Plus why is Moses Patelo not playing at all?!
Tua what r u doing mate give him a run hes a great player.
Jacob Matthews played with alot of determination. His attitude/
passion was very pleasing to see.
He has certainly been a standout and has been getting some
credit for it. Well Done.
Honestly we are not good enough to be there. These results along
with the U20's show that Fifa was right in not giving Oceana
automatic entry to the world cup.
Not one of our players are strong enough or fit enough to
compete and as a result it make our skills look worse than they
probably are. I bet these guys look fantastic playing for their
schools and clubs but physically the are not up to it.
ten years ago Winton Rufer said that we were 20 years behind
Australia. I honestly think the performances speak for
themselves.
Completly aggree re our phyisicality (sp), it is not good
enough especialy when NZ has a number of world class Sports and
Exercise Science centres (Otago uni, Millenium institue, Auckland
uni etc.). The physical side is something we should be able to
match any team in the world in.
If anyone knows it would intereasting to find out what fitness
work they actually undertake.
New Zealand Football has sunk a ot of money into this age group.
There was genuine optimism about the potential for these players to
make an impact.
Whilst its no discgrace to lose to Brazil and England, the
amount of goals conceded makes you feel a certain amount of despair
for the long term future of our game at an Internation al
level
Going forward we looked Ok, but the total inabiltry to handle
a team or players who attack with pace and width is a major
concern.
Tourets2007-08-21 22:32:33
yeah, a quick breakaway by the Uk, one on one to the goal mouth and
then shot thru the keeper's legs .....
Ahem... our local Scots, Welsh an Irishmen might take issue with the use of UK there.
- apologies, was quicker than typing 'England'
And typing Australia is quicker than typing New
Zealand....
By the way Hard News, an Irishman would also take offence at
the implication that he is a part of the UK. Ireland has never been
a part of the UK. Northern Ireland is part of the UK (though
importantly note not of Britain).
Fixed...
... too busy being smug to
realise my own error. Hard News2007-08-21 22:48:22
... too busy being smug to
realise my own error. Hard News2007-08-21 22:48:22
If anyone knows it would intereasting to find out what fitness
work they actually undertake.
As far as i know they dont really do anything. I imagine when
they have there camps they do but other than that its just up to
the indivdual to do their own fitness work.
In NZ gym work isnt seen as something for younger people and
there are too many negitive conatations with people that go to
gyms. Unfortunately to be successful theyrequire conditioning or
otherwise NZ Football need to think outside the square a bit more
and look for more physically prominant players at a younger age
like they do in other codes. There are so many naturally gifted
kids out there at the moment, unfortuantely most are getting pulled
in by the oval ball codes.
the dan carters and doug howlets of this world could fit into
any sport.
I know the under 20s did massive amounts of work on there
fitness and were on big gym programs. I watched a couple of there
fitness sessions at Ole and they were gruelling and I know they
were worked extremely hard by there fitness trainer from what I
hear and I see that they had a specific fitness trainer/coach were
the under 17s dont and instead took a kit manager as part of there
8 staffing positions.
I know the under 20s did massive amounts of work on there
fitness and were on big gym programs. I watched a couple of there
fitness sessions at Ole and they were gruelling and I know they
were worked extremely hard by there fitness trainer from what I
hear and I see that they had a specific fitness trainer/coach were
the under 17s dont and instead took a kit manager as part of there
8 staffing positions.
They do work very hard, they look very fit.
I wonder how much work is done in the wrong areas though. I
saw a picture of the U20's doing a haka with the execption of
Boxall, they looked more like the female Beckham than the
footballer.....maybe they had the same dietition???
In the first half we looked very weak, headless and undetermined. Dont think we deserved to be called a football squad.
2nd half was a lot better and Costa got the ball a bit more
and looked promising. Mathews played well but Gleeson for me,
played a great game even though he conceded five.
In order for a result against Korea we must look to our
midfield and especially Kosta to get involved and slot a couple,
cause by the looks of the defence were going to need to score 8 to
earn even a point.
Well done guys, at least we tried...
I though we were VERY average. And why were both teams in thier
chnage kit. Do the AW's still actually play in White?
Yeah i would of thought white vs red would of been light vs dark
but obviously not.
For me this was far more disappointing than the Brazil game,
where i felt it was just a case of wetting our feet at this level
and that we would perform much better against the likes of England
despite the gulf in class, but obviously i was completely off the
mark.
The first 30 minutes was incredibly hard to watch, we couldn't
hold on to the ball to save ourselves and you felt that everytime
they entered their attacking 3rd another goal would come of it. In
the second half we tightened up and got a bit lucky with some poor
finishes but still ended up conceding a soft 5th from a hoofing
clearance from the back.
Gleeson played fairly well again but not great i think he will
be disappointed with his performance again like any keeper would if
they let 5 past them. Darkwa was ok in defence but looked quite
rushed at times, Myers did well in the 2nd half and made some great
tackles, Matthews was quite good in the midfield and once again
Costa was below par.
Who knows what to expect against North Korea now, Brazil
hammered them 6-1 so it could be even, or it could be another rout.
This is supposed to be the NZ side that can actually play football,
but i have seen no or very little evidence of this so far.
We're completely out of our depth at this tournament. I couldn't
really remember the Brazil game as I was too drunk at the time
(Backbencher and YF 
), but the
game last night was incredibly disheartening. Defensively, we were
God-awful. It's not that we were outpaced by their strikers, that
can happen to any team at any level. What was really frustrating
was the seeming lack of understanding of basic defensive principles
and tactics. The centre backs just stood there and ball watched,
rather than working hard to prevent the quicker English forwards
from getting the ball with space to run. Gleeson wasn't too
impressive for me either - looked uncertain under the high ball and
fluffed a few, and goals 2 and 5 are at that level definitely
saveable, although it would be somewhat unfair to blame him for
them as he was exposed by the backs.
As for our "improved" second-half performance, the game was already over by that stage, and we were lucky not to have conceded more, England looked like they could score every time they got the ball to our defensive third. The most dispiriting of all - I didn't think that England were that good.
I also agree with all the previous comments about our physical strength and conditioning. It looked like men against boys.
), but the
game last night was incredibly disheartening. Defensively, we were
God-awful. It's not that we were outpaced by their strikers, that
can happen to any team at any level. What was really frustrating
was the seeming lack of understanding of basic defensive principles
and tactics. The centre backs just stood there and ball watched,
rather than working hard to prevent the quicker English forwards
from getting the ball with space to run. Gleeson wasn't too
impressive for me either - looked uncertain under the high ball and
fluffed a few, and goals 2 and 5 are at that level definitely
saveable, although it would be somewhat unfair to blame him for
them as he was exposed by the backs.As for our "improved" second-half performance, the game was already over by that stage, and we were lucky not to have conceded more, England looked like they could score every time they got the ball to our defensive third. The most dispiriting of all - I didn't think that England were that good.
I also agree with all the previous comments about our physical strength and conditioning. It looked like men against boys.